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#1 Chris898
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I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

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#2 DarkNeji14
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I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

Chris898
dude you have a 1080p HDtv and the darkness only suppports 720p so i think the resolution was downgraded to 460p. You need to adjust the picture somehow.
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#3 jwat4
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I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

Chris898

You can't...its not like a PC game where you can change the AA settings...

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#4 Ado-odA
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The Darkness is horrible w/ AA...so not much you can do really.

Umm...wait for Killzone 2 (4X FSAA, in 1080p @ 60FPS)

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#5 Chris898
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guess its summat i will have 2 put up with even though every single edge is jagged lol
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#6 DarkNeji14
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Do you have a HDMI cable?? If not you need to buy one it helps the graphics look sharper and clearer. sold on ebay for$ 15-50.
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#7 Chris898
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yeah im using a hdmi cable, could it be somthing 2 do with the quality of the cable

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#8 0rin
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yeah im using a hdmi cable, could it be somthing 2 do with the quality of the cable

Chris898


Its the game. they did a horrible job at cleaning lines up. No AA or motion blur make the game very jaggy. Piss-pour development IMO. but oh well. Its still a pretty fun game from what I understand.
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#9 RahKayne
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[QUOTE="Chris898"]

I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

jwat4

You can't...its not like a PC game where you can change the AA settings...

umm actually you can change the resolution which the PS3 outputs under display settings

I wouldn't say piss poor development, in fact in a comparison against the "other console" PS3's looks better, it must be some settings or something.

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#10 Miguel16
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[QUOTE="Chris898"]

I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

DarkNeji14

dude you have a 1080p HDtv and the darkness only suppports 720p so i think the resolution was downgraded to 460p. You need to adjust the picture somehow.

Wrong. 460p? You mean 480p, and he was running it at 720p

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#11 Chris898
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does a any1 think a hdmi 1.3 cable will sort it out

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#12 Macolele
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I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

Chris898

No way to change AA in console game. I think your TV too big and you sit too close.

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#13 IQT786
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I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

Chris898

you need to put it on 720p i had the same problem

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#14 IQT786
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does a any1 think a hdmi 1.3 cable will sort it out

Chris898

im using official sony hdmi cables 1.3vi get no jaggies but with cheap ones i do

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#15 finalmetalgear
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Ahem, The Darkness can run at 480p, 720p, 1080i or 1080p on the PS3. Just look at the back of the case.
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#16 jwat4
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[QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="Chris898"]

I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

RahKayne

You can't...its not like a PC game where you can change the AA settings...

umm actually you can change the resolution which the PS3 outputs under display settings

I wouldn't say piss poor development, in fact in a comparison against the "other console" PS3's looks better, it must be some settings or something.

Changing a resolution does not add AA...so no you cannot change AA on a console game, its something that is programmed into the game.

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#17 eclipsed4utoo
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does a any1 think a hdmi 1.3 cable will sort it out

Chris898

I wish people would understand that there is no "1.3 HDMI" cable. the current cables are all tested at a bandwidth that will work with 1.3 HDMI. therefore, all HDMI cables on the market are 1.3 HDMI compliant because they can support the upgraded bandwidth.

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#18 jwat4
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[QUOTE="Chris898"]

does a any1 think a hdmi 1.3 cable will sort it out

eclipsed4utoo

I wish people would understand that there is now "1.3 HDMI" cable. the current cables are all tested at a bandwidth that will work with 1.3 HDMI. therefore, all HDMI cables on the market are 1.3 HDMI compliant because they can support the upgraded bandwidth.

And even to add to that, you need a TV that has HDMI 1.3 inputs...

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#19 The_Tombo
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jip I tried the demo And i thought the amount of jaggies was ridiculous ps1 like ridiculous.
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#20 slyydevil
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jip I tried the demo And i thought the amount of jaggies was ridiculous ps1 like ridiculous.The_Tombo

So true, I rented it 2 weeks ago and I thought man this looks like a first gen ps2 title. The game is quite good, but I couldn't really immerse myself into the world because of the jaggies. The lighting is great too but then you realize those jaggies again and to me it became a distraction. If you can overlook the jaggies then you'll enjoy it....

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#21 sm66612
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I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

Chris898

The Darkness does have a lot jaggies. It ruined the game for me. You can probably lower down the shapness to make it less jaggy. ;)

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#22 furtherfan
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the arkness has a lot of jaggies, especially on PS3. (no bashing, just the truht).
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#23 Chris898
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ppl think the darkness is bad jus try lookin a rb6:vegas

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#24 marcusboonis
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Think it'll just be the game, i've got the same problem running 1080i via HDMI it's not that big a deal i don't think, the games still awesome..
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#25 furtherfan
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i just finshed playing the Darkness demo on 360. to be honest: it looks much better than the PS3 version. The ps3 version just has a lot of jaggies. it makes playing the game less immersive(cause you'll be staring at jaggies....).

Developpers are having difficulties with Anti Aliassing on PS3. Appearently Guerilla found a way to do 4 x AA in kilzzone 2, and according to hands on reports succesfully eliminating all jaggies with that...

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#26 bohemian_bob
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PS3 games always have jaggies, unlike the 360 versions. It's just how the consoles are set up. If jaggies bother you that much, you can play the 360 version instead, if you have the console.
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#27 teebeenz
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i just finshed playing the Darkness demo on 360. to be honest: it looks much better than the PS3 version. The ps3 version just has a lot of jaggies. it makes playing the game less immersive(cause you'll be staring at jaggies....).

Developpers are having difficulties with Anti Aliassing on PS3. Appearently Guerilla found a way to do 4 x AA in kilzzone 2, and according to hands on reports succesfully eliminating all jaggies with that...

furtherfan
Devs are not having any problems with it, they;re simply choosing not to use it so they dont waste the systems time on removing a small detail when it could be adding much more to the scene.
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#28 furtherfan
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[QUOTE="furtherfan"]

i just finshed playing the Darkness demo on 360. to be honest: it looks much better than the PS3 version. The ps3 version just has a lot of jaggies. it makes playing the game less immersive(cause you'll be staring at jaggies....).

Developpers are having difficulties with Anti Aliassing on PS3. Appearently Guerilla found a way to do 4 x AA in kilzzone 2, and according to hands on reports succesfully eliminating all jaggies with that...

teebeenz

Devs are not having any problems with it, they;re simply choosing not to use it so they dont waste the systems time on removing a small detail when it could be adding much more to the scene.

eh.. no, they did choose to do it in the 360 version but didn't choose to do it in the PS3 version... makes no sense.

listen, you think i'm bashing the PS3.. i'm not. there are issues with PS3 (AA, textures, etc.) and some developers are better in dealing with those issues, often with help from Sony.

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#29 teebeenz
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>eh.. no, they did choose to do it in the 360 version but didn't choose to do it in the PS3 version... makes no sense.furtherfan
360 gets AA free, PS3 doesnt.
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#30 IQT786
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Lazy devs = jaggies and bad port

there only using the gpu not the cell thats why it looks like that look at sony's games they have no jaggies and are better in graphics

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#31 furtherfan
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[QUOTE="furtherfan"]>eh.. no, they did choose to do it in the 360 version but didn't choose to do it in the PS3 version... makes no sense.teebeenz
360 gets AA free, PS3 doesnt.

the 360 has AA in it yes. but it's not always automaticly used. it's not just the darkness.... but i guess you feel this as a personal thing so i'll stop here. i'm sorry, the PS3 is perfect. a developers dream come true.

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#32 Webster32wq
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But I have a teeny TV and I don't get any jaggies with my PS3. It's hung before though and I've tried this experiment. I wrapped a towel around it and let it run for 15 minutes. It overheats so much that it actually repairs the problem! It worked. Oh and I've had it for 2 years and it still gives out that new console smell. I wonder if there's something else wrong with it...:?

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#33 teebeenz
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the 360 has AA in it yes. but it's not always automaticly used.furtherfan
It gets it for free, it comes at not cost to the systems processing, they can use it whenever they want. On the PS3 however it takes time to do and so by using it they have to cut out other things to make up for it.
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#34 OmegaOrtega
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Are most 360 AND PS3 games less jaggy on standard TV's???

I've seen games such as Forza Motorsport 2looking HORRIBLE at 720p, but it looks just fine on a standard TV.

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#35 Redfingers
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I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

Chris898

Use your jaggy stick to beat them off the screen.

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#36 eclipsed4utoo
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[QUOTE="furtherfan"]the 360 has AA in it yes. but it's not always automaticly used.teebeenz
It gets it for free, it comes at not cost to the systems processing, they can use it whenever they want. On the PS3 however it takes time to do and so by using it they have to cut out other things to make up for it.

that is not true. Heavenly Sword uses AA...what did they cut out?

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#37 teebeenz
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that is not true. Heavenly Sword uses AA...what did they cut out?eclipsed4utoo
Well if thats true, Im guessing we wont see 1080p at 60fps then, perpahs not even 720p 60fps. Either way, when you use AA, you sacrifice something.
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#38 furtherfan
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[QUOTE="furtherfan"]the 360 has AA in it yes. but it's not always automaticly used.teebeenz
It gets it for free, it comes at not cost to the systems processing, they can use it whenever they want. On the PS3 however it takes time to do and so by using it they have to cut out other things to make up for it.

true, they CAN use it.

But Killzone 2 proves that they can use fullscreen AA (on PS3) and not cut on anything. they are the first to really figured this thig out together with Sony

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#39 teebeenz
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But Killzone 2 proves that they can use fullscreen AA and not cut on anything. they are the first to really figured this thig out together with Sonyfurtherfan
Killzone 2 also uses a different style of rendering from anything else on the system, or any system at the moment. Adding FSAA was part of their design goal as that method of rednering typicaly doesnt have AA. The rendering system they have uses radicaly less bandwidth so there is more room for data, including AA. This is something the other engines strugle with.
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#40 furtherfan
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[QUOTE="furtherfan"]But Killzone 2 proves that they can use fullscreen AA and not cut on anything. they are the first to really figured this thig out together with Sonyteebeenz
Killzone 2 also uses a different style of rendering from anything else on the system, or any system at the moment. Adding FSAA was part of their design goal as that method of rednering typicaly doesnt have AA. The rendering system they have uses radicaly less bandwidth so there is more room for data, including AA. This is something the other engines strugle with.

maybe/ hopefully they will share their knowledge.

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#41 teebeenz
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maybe/ hopefully they will share their knowledge.furtherfan
They have, the dev info on the engine is available through dev channels and on their site somewhere.
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#42 TOTAL_DEFENSE_0
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[QUOTE="Chris898"]

I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

DarkNeji14
dude you have a 1080p HDtv and the darkness only suppports 720p so i think the resolution was downgraded to 460p. You need to adjust the picture somehow.

the darkness supports 1080p
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#43 TimothyB
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Do you have a HDMI cable?? If not you need to buy one it helps the graphics look sharper and clearer. sold on ebay for$ 15-50.DarkNeji14

That doesn't make sense. If a game is a jaggy mess, then a sharper and clearer image would only make the jaggies worse.

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#44 TimothyB
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[QUOTE="Chris898"]

does a any1 think a hdmi 1.3 cable will sort it out

IQT786

im using official sony hdmi cables 1.3vi get no jaggies but with cheap ones i do

Thanks makes even less sense. There is no overall quality difference between HDMI cables, a $300 versus a $5 one looks 100% the same. Only difference that can happen is if the cable is bad to begin with, you'd get sparkles or total picture breakup, no way poor quality control or other defects can directly lower sharpness or overall quality and some how effect jaggies appearance. If again the cable was not 100% picture quality, then it's too long of a run or a defect.

And 1.3 has nothing to do with changing anything outputted today. There is no such thing as a 1.3 cable spefcifc. You have to test a cable to qualify to support all 1.3 features, so even an existing HDMI cable might pass the tests. There's no special change, the main thing to help pass the 1.03 tests is to have thicker gauges wires to allow more bandwidth, then you can label it as 1.3 certified, but the cable could also be used on 1.1 too. Thus, no real difference happens to the picture quality unless you did some 24bit deep color game that doesn't exist, and only tvs that support deep color are just hitting the market slowly. Only other thing about 1.3 is audio output.

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#45 TimothyB
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I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

Chris898

Did someone say the game can run at 1080p, not uspcaled right? If so, are you able to set it to that, as the larger the resolution the smaller the jaggies should appear. But yes, the game doesn't seem to have any AA to smooth them, nor motion blur (from what I saw in a side by side console test video)

Also, make sure your tv is not set to some vivid or sports mode, that will usually involve tons of extra sharpening that can make jaggies wrose and edge ringing. If your tv does have modes like Sports, Movie, Standard, and so on, try movie, usually the sharpness is lower. If there is a game mode, that usually disables tons of the extra enhancements that make jaggies worse. Or just lower sharpness if you don't have those presets to choose from.

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#46 TimothyB
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I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

Chris898

Did someone say the game can run at 1080p, not uspcaled right? If so, are you able to set it to that, as the larger the resolution the smaller the jaggies should appear. But yes, the game doesn't seem to have any AA to smooth them, nor motion blur (from what I saw in a side by side console test video)

Also, make sure your tv is not set to some vivid or sports mode, that will usually involve tons of extra sharpening that can make jaggies wrose and edge ringing. If your tv does have modes like Sports, Movie, Standard, and so on, try movie, usually the sharpness is lower. If there is a game mode, that usually disables tons of the extra enhancements that make jaggies worse. Or just lower sharpness if you don't have those presets to choose from.

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#47 KandyKornMan
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maybe they forgot they were developing a ps3 game and not a pc one.so they ended up with a game with no aa.its not terrible but i noticed the jagged edges right away.you can even see the lines on some textures like in the otherworld levels.maybe starbreeze thought the framerate would suffer with aa on.
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#48 rahstar
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i just finshed playing the Darkness demo on 360. to be honest: it looks much better than the PS3 version. The ps3 version just has a lot of jaggies. it makes playing the game less immersive(cause you'll be staring at jaggies....).

Developpers are having difficulties with Anti Aliassing on PS3. Appearently Guerilla found a way to do 4 x AA in kilzzone 2, and according to hands on reports succesfully eliminating all jaggies with that...

furtherfan

Whatever dude, ive seen it on both systems and the games bad on both.

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#49 turaaggeli
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[QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="Chris898"]

I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

RahKayne

You can't...its not like a PC game where you can change the AA settings...

umm actually you can change the resolution which the PS3 outputs under display settings

I wouldn't say piss poor development, in fact in a comparison against the "other console" PS3's looks better, it must be some settings or something.

I read otherwise.

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#50 rahstar
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[QUOTE="RahKayne"][QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="Chris898"]

I have a 1080p 40 inch hdtv and when i play games like the darkness on it i get a hell of a lot of jaggies.

Does any1 no how to get rid of em?

turaaggeli

You can't...its not like a PC game where you can change the AA settings...

umm actually you can change the resolution which the PS3 outputs under display settings

I wouldn't say piss poor development, in fact in a comparison against the "other console" PS3's looks better, it must be some settings or something.

I read otherwise.

heres a video comparision. http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21124.html