JRPGs are dead huh? Down to Mass effect and Dark Souls now for RPG awesomeness?

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#1 Scrotous
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So i've been thinking, JRPGs are really dead or japanese companies just got hit with a brick in their heads? Ok FFXIII was okay, FFXIII-2 was alot better but nowhere near as good as its predecessors. Just now i'm getting again this unforgiving game called Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter and playing Breath of Fire 3 on PSP, because theres just no JRPG games anymore, a few but not one inch close to enternaining as PS1 and PS2. Ah the nostalgia. So capcom capcom went western now and released Dragon's Dogma huh? Fantastic, a japanese company with identity crisis. Please just do what you used to do, was much better. They just can't take their old franchises that were really hits like BoF3 or 4 and turn into something new and better? Sure in Dogma's we can be a fine warrior that can beat dragons... In the old days we used to be a warrior that fought a dragon to save the princess.

Hey, how about being the prince and dragon at the same time and saving the princess? Sure same old story but, was it any worse from BoF1 to 4? No, just a good series dropped for the sake of... well, NOTHING! Cause the classic capcom can't do a single RPG anymore hahaha.... Seriously japanese companies, if you can't innovate, just make a turn based JRPG with turn based battles and tweaks and it'd be much better than this overfocused on graphics generation that everyone is going after. Oh wait lets develop facebook games for women and children cause they're fast and no need of any thinking, just click here and there anre you're set for facebooking for the rest of your life. Why should they support their customers that always bought their games anway.

Ok MvsC3+ were good when it got out, but got old so fast as usual. Persona 4 Arena basically makes me want to never touch MvsC again. FFXIII series were good, but its as far as JRPGs go this generation. A fire spitting dragon guy would surely change this stupid dillema. Who the hell who plays JRPG never played a BoF before? Don't know one. It's about time capcom stopped innovating lame rehashes.

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#2 NaveedLife
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Tales of Vesperia is a great game. There are many other solid ones as well this gen. Then there is Ni No Kuni and more coming out. I am not counting JRPG's out just yet. And how some of these WRPG's become so popular is beyond me. Many are overrated garbage.

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#3 free_milk
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Dark souls is made by a japanesse company.

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Ah Tales of Vesperia, was suposed to get an american release sometime ago right? Been a while since i stopped pursuing it, tales of the abyss was my last of it. Ni No Kuni hmm... i think i read or saw something about it this month and looked good. But hey, imo and i bet in the opinion of many, nothing would beat a new Breath of Fire game. Sure BoF5 got bashed alot for being too different and the time limit. Yeah was a pain in the ass at first, but if you really dive into it, its a good game that trains you into anxiety control, with big bits of its old style(battle/soundtrack wise), just delivered differently. I mean come on, even another turn based Breath of Fire would beat big load(wanted to say a **** but okay >_>). But then again, its like asking for a FFVI/FFVII remake huh? Capcom said Breath of Fire will still exist and that its on hold... But for how long, really? PS4 and the new Xbox is close and no mention of it so far. So they now they suddenly reject their closed eyed nature(even though anime/manga they have giant eyes haha). So now going OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH and turning into a dragon to beat the damn out of bad guys isn't fun anymore? Can't picture why.

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#5 Scrotous
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Dark souls is made by a japanesse company.

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Really? Pretty western to me. Sorry if i didn't make myself clear enough as i have a few troubles with communication. MANGA/ANIME games please. I mean, this week i read through gamespot or was ign can't remember, about Ni No Kuni reviving the dead JRPG? I mean come on, even game journalists(and i enforce the words EVEN GAME JOURNALISTS) noticed JRPGs' death? Means things are going bad for the *** devs and now they're turning their games into western wannabes just to sell their product, which is just sad. Sure Demon's Souls and Dark Souls were good, but mainly for being a challange for old school players that like to die alot. But in the end i see them now as merely a hard game with Zelda gameplay and nothing more.

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#6 free_milk
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[QUOTE="free_milk"]

Dark souls is made by a japanesse company.

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Really? Pretty western to me. Sorry if i didn't make myself clear enough as i have a few troubles with communication. MANGA/ANIME games please. I mean, this week i read through gamespot or was ign can't remember, about Ni No Kuni reviving the dead JRPG? I mean come on, even game journalists(and i enforce the words EVEN GAME JOURNALISTS) noticed JRPGs' death? Means things are going bad for the *** devs and now they're turning their games into western wannabes just to sell their product, which is just sad. Sure Demon's Souls and Dark Souls were good, but mainly for being a challange for old school players that like to die alot. But in the end i see them now as merely a hard game with Zelda gameplay and nothing more.

well Dark souls is made by a japanesse company so it is considered a jrpg. TBH WRPG and JRPG is a very silly term.Dark souls is an action RPG.
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JRPGs have received low sales in the west starting the end of last gen (PS2/GC) and the beginning of this one(PS3/360/Wii). They're still being made in Japan but a lot of companies just don't bother localizing them anymore since it costs a lot and the profit they make out of it isn't worth it. This gen still has a few good JRPG gems, but not as many or as popular as JRPGs before.
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    These games says other wise.
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There are some amazing JRPGs on the PS3. Demon's Souls Dark Souls Ni No Kuni (2013) But you're looking at the wrong area for your JRPG needs. The DS is where all the awesome JRPGs are.
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Ah Tales of Vesperia, was suposed to get an american release sometime ago right? Been a while since i stopped pursuing it, tales of the abyss was my last of it.

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Tales of Vesperia was released in the US in 2008.
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your problem seems to be less with jrpgs and more with capcom, sure jrpgs are not as popular this generation as they were on past ones but there are still a lot of great ones most are on handhelds but one can always download classics off the psn
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[QUOTE="Scrotous"]

Ah Tales of Vesperia, was suposed to get an american release sometime ago right? Been a while since i stopped pursuing it, tales of the abyss was my last of it.

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Tales of Vesperia was released in the US in 2008.

Being this is the PS3 board, I assume he means on PS3.

Also, Ni No Kuni is so beautiful!

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There are still some awesome JRPG's out there-

  • Tales of Graces
  • Valkyria Chronicles
  • Disgaea 4
  • Demon's Souls
  • Folklore

Not to mention there's also Ni No Kuni coming out in Jan 2013

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There are still some awesome JRPG's out there-

  • Tales of Graces
  • Valkyria Chronicles
  • Disgaea 4
  • Demon's Souls
  • Folklore

Not to mention there's also Ni No Kuni coming out in Jan 2013

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Yep, there's also: Resonance of Fate Eternal Sonata White Knight Chronicles and Nier, I wonder if anyone had played that. It's a really underrated game. I don't know if Star Ocean and Atelier games are RPGs as I haven't played them or know much about them.
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i really tried to get into dark souls. i played through demon's souls but mostly glitch killed and had online coop guys kill the last boss for me basically. that stuff is too tedious man, i wouldve been cool with it just if they didn't make it so you have to start all over from a long ass time every time you die. gotta let a guy save the game every now and then man damn lol.

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[QUOTE="free_milk"]

Dark souls is made by a japanesse company.

Scrotous

Really? Pretty western to me. Sorry if i didn't make myself clear enough as i have a few troubles with communication. MANGA/ANIME games please. I mean, this week i read through gamespot or was ign can't remember, about Ni No Kuni reviving the dead JRPG? I mean come on, even game journalists(and i enforce the words EVEN GAME JOURNALISTS) noticed JRPGs' death? Means things are going bad for the *** devs and now they're turning their games into western wannabes just to sell their product, which is just sad. Sure Demon's Souls and Dark Souls were good, but mainly for being a challange for old school players that like to die alot. But in the end i see them now as merely a hard game with Zelda gameplay and nothing more.

So basically this whole topic is just a long-winded way for you to say you won't be happy until you get a new BoF game? I think NNK will be one of the best JRPG'S ever released. Dark Souls is the best game I've played in my entire life. I completely disagree with your assessment that it's just a hard game with Zelda gameplay. Dark Souls has much more going for it than just its difficulty and the gameplay is hardly like Zelda at all. I'm guessing you've either not played Dark Souls and Zelda or you weren't paying attention when you were playing them.
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Okay before anyone else keeps listing Demon's Souls and Dark Souls as JRPGS, they're not. Yes, they're made by a Japanese company but JRPG is a genre(and arguably a kinda pointless term at this point). Basically JRPGs are anime RPGs in a sense and yes, those have seriously gone down in quality and quantity this gen. However, there's still some good ones out there: Valkryia Chronicles, Resonance of Fate and if you're willing to look at PS2 games, Persona 3FES on the PS Store is fantastic as is Persona 4. Those two are the best JRPGs I've played.
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Okay before anyone else keeps listing Demon's Souls and Dark Souls as JRPGS, they're not. Yes, they're made by a Japanese company but JRPG is a genre(and arguably a kinda pointless term at this point). Basically JRPGs are anime RPGs in a sense and yes, those have seriously gone down in quality and quantity this gen. However, there's still some good ones out there: Valkryia Chronicles, Resonance of Fate and if you're willing to look at PS2 games, Persona 3FES on the PS Store is fantastic as is Persona 4. Those two are the best JRPGs I've played.anime_gamer007
I agree I consider JRPG more of a genre, and Dark and Demon souls are not it, even though they are great games. I like Valkyria, but like many stayed FF13 was just so bad it really turned me off. For anyone who hasnt played Xenoblade, do it!!!! (use pc emulator if you have to, thats what i did). Xenoblade will bring back that great old JRPG feeling.
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Okay before anyone else keeps listing Demon's Souls and Dark Souls as JRPGS, they're not. Yes, they're made by a Japanese company but JRPG is a genre(and arguably a kinda pointless term at this point). Basically JRPGs are anime RPGs in a sense and yes, those have seriously gone down in quality and quantity this gen. However, there's still some good ones out there: Valkryia Chronicles, Resonance of Fate and if you're willing to look at PS2 games, Persona 3FES on the PS Store is fantastic as is Persona 4. Those two are the best JRPGs I've played.anime_gamer007
imo JRPGs are any RPGs made in Japan. Do they have to have cartoony characters and half naked girls to count? I wonder why some people consider Demon and Dark souls too western? When you think about it, most of the other examples listed here can be considered 'western'. Look at Valkyria Chronicles, fictional world war in a fictional Europe, can't get any more 'western' than that, Final Fantasy draws a lot of inspiration from western and middle eastern mythology, weapons, clothes, and so on. JRPG is a broad term and it covers lots of types of games, i think some people here are missing only a certain type of those games.
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[QUOTE="anime_gamer007"]Okay before anyone else keeps listing Demon's Souls and Dark Souls as JRPGS, they're not. Yes, they're made by a Japanese company but JRPG is a genre(and arguably a kinda pointless term at this point). Basically JRPGs are anime RPGs in a sense and yes, those have seriously gone down in quality and quantity this gen. However, there's still some good ones out there: Valkryia Chronicles, Resonance of Fate and if you're willing to look at PS2 games, Persona 3FES on the PS Store is fantastic as is Persona 4. Those two are the best JRPGs I've played.mav_destroyer
imo JRPGs are any RPGs made in Japan. Do they have to have cartoony characters and half naked girls to count? I wonder why some people consider Demon and Dark souls too western? When you think about it, most of the other examples listed here can be considered 'western'. Look at Valkyria Chronicles, fictional world war in a fictional Europe, can't get any more 'western' than that, Final Fantasy draws a lot of inspiration from western and middle eastern mythology, weapons, clothes, and so on. JRPG is a broad term and it covers lots of types of games, i think some people here are missing only a certain type of those games.

Valkryia Chronicles is VERY Japanese in it's storytelling and characters. Just because it takes place in a fictional Europe doesn't mean it's western. It's more of a stylistic distinction than anything.
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So i've been thinking, JRPGs are really dead or japanese companies just got hit with a brick in their heads? Ok FFXIII was okay, FFXIII-2 was alot better but nowhere near as good as its predecessors. Just now i'm getting again this unforgiving game called Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter and playing Breath of Fire 3 on PSP, because theres just no JRPG games anymore, a few but not one inch close to enternaining as PS1 and PS2. Ah the nostalgia. So capcom capcom went western now and released Dragon's Dogma huh? Fantastic, a japanese company with identity crisis. Please just do what you used to do, was much better. They just can't take their old franchises that were really hits like BoF3 or 4 and turn into something new and better? Sure in Dogma's we can be a fine warrior that can beat dragons... In the old days we used to be a warrior that fought a dragon to save the princess.

Hey, how about being the prince and dragon at the same time and saving the princess? Sure same old story but, was it any worse from BoF1 to 4? No, just a good series dropped for the sake of... well, NOTHING! Cause the classic capcom can't do a single RPG anymore hahaha.... Seriously japanese companies, if you can't innovate, just make a turn based JRPG with turn based battles and tweaks and it'd be much better than this overfocused on graphics generation that everyone is going after. Oh wait lets develop facebook games for women and children cause they're fast and no need of any thinking, just click here and there anre you're set for facebooking for the rest of your life. Why should they support their customers that always bought their games anway.

Ok MvsC3+ were good when it got out, but got old so fast as usual. Persona 4 Arena basically makes me want to never touch MvsC again. FFXIII series were good, but its as far as JRPGs go this generation. A fire spitting dragon guy would surely change this stupid dillema. Who the hell who plays JRPG never played a BoF before? Don't know one. It's about time capcom stopped innovating lame rehashes.

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I had the same thoughts as you when I had the ps3 only.....but I bought a 360.........the 360 saved my JRPG draught. I bought The Witcher 2, Lost Odyessey, and Tales of Vesperia. I got Skyrim for free with the system too. All are great games that gave me the same feeling the ps2 did. I still want to buy Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, Divintiy 2, Fable 3 and a few other ones. When it comes to JRPG's 360 >>>>>>>>> ps3.

Crapcom should make a BoF 6, but stick to their roots. (not like dragon quarter)

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Valkryia Chronicles is VERY Japanese in it's storytelling and characters. Just because it takes place in a fictional Europe doesn't mean it's western. It's more of a stylistic distinction than anything.anime_gamer007
Don't know what would be very japanese about the characters, as for the story it was very weak and cheesy. Don't get me wrong, i love VC, its one of my favorite games, but the reason i like it is for the game play not the story. I can't speak for VC 2 and 3 though, so maybe things changed in the later games. I agree though that the stylistic distinction is what might set it apart.
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[QUOTE="anime_gamer007"]Valkryia Chronicles is VERY Japanese in it's storytelling and characters. Just because it takes place in a fictional Europe doesn't mean it's western. It's more of a stylistic distinction than anything.mav_destroyer
Don't know what would be very japanese about the characters, as for the story it was very weak and cheesy. Don't get me wrong, i love VC, its one of my favorite games, but the reason i like it is for the game play not the story. I can't speak for VC 2 and 3 though, so maybe things changed in the later games. I agree though that the stylistic distinction is what might set it apart.

The characters are basically your typical anime archetypes. I really enjoyed that game too, for it's gameplay and not the story so much. So I agree with you on that point.
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can the US make a jrpg? I don't think so. Thus jrpgs are considered games made in japan and so forth for the western ones made in the US. Therefore, dark souls is an jrpg , and if that is not good enough then tell me why is there a katana in the game and you called it westernized.

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agreed
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#26 Reptylus
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can the US make a jrpg? I don't think so. Thus jrpgs are considered games made in japan and so forth for the western ones made in the US. Therefore, dark souls is an jrpg , and if that is not good enough then tell me why is there a katana in the game and you called it westernized.

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The UK-made game Faery is a JRPG in my books because of it's gameplay - linear storytelling, turn-based fights without movement / limited tactical movement. Dark/Demon's Souls is a WRPG because of it's gameplay - storytelling is very open / almost non-existent, you move around freely while slashing whatever monster you meet. Defining a game's genre by geographics is rather stupid. Sushi made in the US is still a Japanese dish, right?
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tales of grages f valkyria chronicles demon souls dark souls and next year ni no kuni tales of xilia