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#1 b0n0b0y007
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We all seem to be talkin about the views on Lair as being reviews but they are Only Previews, so as i am lead to beleive this is just a short look at unfinished code (pre).

This is just a case of bad non informative jurnalism.

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#2 furtherfan
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#3 b0n0b0y007
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no?
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#4 MERC_RECONN
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Well, I started getting a bad feeling about Lair when they cancelled the demo for PSN. So in a way it makes the bad reviews seem like it's the truth.
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#5 b0n0b0y007
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As far as i was aware there was no planned PSN demo,

From what i have seen the game looks cool and im lookin forward to using the sixaxis. The only addition id like to see would be multiplayer.

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#6 liamabob
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I started having bad feelings about it when i saw the movement of the dragons and how the fire balls are fired..
Looks too much like a machine gun
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#7 PapaGlide
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game is really hard to control and is frustating thats what they all say
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#8 WongB
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It got some decent/good review except for EGM/1UP. All the previews done by IGN and Gamespot said that the game looked great. I doubt it is going to be a AAA tho.
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#9 ian_fisher
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I played the E3 2007 Demo on Saturday and Lair is a pretty good game. Sure the framerate dips at times and the Sixaxis control seems to take awhile to get used to but based on what I played I would give the gamea score of7/10. If the framerate is fixed then Lair should be a solid title once I get used to the controls.
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#10 b0n0b0y007
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Im just glad that its not a FPS, the sixaxis should give it a good learning curve. These guys that complain about the conrtols only had a limited play also patience is a virtue.
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#11 MERC_RECONN
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It got some decent/good review except for EGM/1UP. All the previews done by IGN and Gamespot said that the game looked great. I doubt it is going to be a AAA tho.WongB

This is a little off topic, but I'd rather take a chance with Lair over Heavenly Sword...I was not impressed at all with that demo.

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#12 kingtahktahkhuk
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lair doenst look like an interesting game at all, not sure where all the hype came from
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#13 darthogre
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As far as i was aware there was no planned PSN demo,

From what i have seen the game looks cool and im lookin forward to using the sixaxis. The only addition id like to see would be multiplayer.

b0n0b0y007

That's not entirely true. They've been saying there would be a demo in July. When fans asked about it the developers said "we are working to finsih the game, when it's done we'll get a demo out".

What's not making any sense is the fact they have stated quite clearly they are infact done with the game (for about 2 weeks now). The only reason why they have delayed the game is because they are working on some worthless online scoring/trophies part of the game. But the core game is finished.

It seems they are either lying about the game having a demo (not likely, they are going to release one) OR they were lying when they said the game was finished and all they were working on was some online stuff (highly likely they are placing analog controls in after the complaints).

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#14 barom
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THE REAL TRUTH
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#15 ajefferism
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Well, I started getting a bad feeling about Lair when they cancelled the demo for PSN. So in a way it makes the bad reviews seem like it's the truth.MERC_RECONN

They didn't cancel the demo, according to the playstation blog it should be coming out within the month.

Also, the only negative review was EGM. Play, Edge, Gamezone, Gamepro, and Game Informer all gave it good reviews. My advice... wait until gamespot and ign.com review it, they seem to be most reliable.

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#16 Chutebox
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THE REAL TRUTHbarom

Wow, after reading what egm said, I'm def not gonna renew my subscription. Thank you for that link.

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#17 darthogre
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THE REAL TRUTHbarom

"BAD
They thought the dragon was a re- skinned x-wing
The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn't realistic enough
The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said "its High Def" and he didn't like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey.
They didn't like the art ****and said the game lacked innovation"

Are those EGM writers morons? A dragon shooting fireballs IS ODD!?!? And how they hell do you make shooting fireballs from a dragons mouth realistic? WTH does that even mean lol?

Have these guys ever seen Dragonslayer? It sounds like they just don't like dragon games from their explaination.

So basically they said they didn't like the colors and the art ****....but the controls, framerate, story was awesome.......but they gave it 5.5 score????

These guys are the biggest idiots I've ever seen.

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#18 IQT786
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egm is sponsered by ms nuff said
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#19 Bartz_Has_Bite
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Has anyone considered that maybe the game just isn't as good as they expected?
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#20 autobot_optimus
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THE REAL TRUTHbarom

After reading that I have more faith in the game... they said the controls are good but theres too much brown and grey and its not an original game? I haven't played a good dragon game since panzer dragoon saga.

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#21 rahstar
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[QUOTE="barom"]THE REAL TRUTHdarthogre

"BAD
They thought the dragon was a re- skinned x-wing
The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn't realistic enough
The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said "its High Def" and he didn't like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey.
They didn't like the art ****and said the game lacked innovation"

Are those EGM writers morons? A dragon shooting fireballs IS ODD!?!? And how they hell do you make shooting fireballs from a dragons mouth realistic? WTH does that even mean lol?

Have these guys ever seen Dragonslayer? It sounds like they just don't like dragon games from their explaination.

So basically they said they didn't like the colors and the art ****....but the controls, framerate, story was awesome.......but they gave it 5.5 score????

These guys are the biggest idiots I've ever seen.

yeah, from reading the good and the bad it sounds like the gameplay ( the most important part) is good. From what ive seen i like the colors and art and shooting fireballs makes sense to me. You cant hit enemies from a distance with a steady flame coming from the dragons mouth.

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#22 The_Tombo
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THE REAL TRUTHbarom

STupidest reasons EVER!

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#23 Killzall
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I think what they mean when they say the dragon shooting fire balls isnt realistic enough they mean it may be like a machine gun or something just to rapidly.
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#24 The_Tombo
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I think what they mean when they say the dragon shooting fire balls isnt realistic enough they mean it may be like a machine gun or something just to rapidly.Killzall

Becase there is an actual realistic way a DRAGON can SHOOT FIREBALLS..... :roll:

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#25 barom
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Yeah I've lost faith in EGM too. And cmon whats so realistic about dragon shooting fireballs in the first place?
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#26 Ericvon71
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One bad review and the game is bad..............I really wish they would totally get rid of game scores, it is really sad that people namely gamers get so wrapped up with game scores.

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#27 barom
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One bad review and the game is bad..............I really wish they would totally get rid of game scores, it is really sad that people namely gamers get so wrapped up with game scores.

Ericvon71

I only think people would rely on game reviews if they haven't tried it out (this is why demos are cool). Cuz cmon Dynasty Warriors series has gotten bad reviews since DW2 and they still sell well.

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#28 Killzall
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[QUOTE="Killzall"]I think what they mean when they say the dragon shooting fire balls isnt realistic enough they mean it may be like a machine gun or something just to rapidly.The_Tombo

Becase there is an actual realistic way a DRAGON can SHOOT FIREBALLS..... :roll:

well think about it in this game dragons would be biological creatures not machince guns and if they were spiting out 120 firebals a minute would that seem realistic? mabey a short burst of 3 or 4 but not 20 or 30

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#29 TheTenn
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ya but no one really knows whos to say dragons couldn't shoot fireballs like machine guns, its fantasy and I'll make my dragon shoot firballs like a machine gun if i want too.
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#30 WongB
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It sure seems like the dragons shoot flames fast, but w/e, it'll destroy my enemies faster.
They had really bad reasons for bashing the game.

-Disliked the art **** even though GeOW is kinda brown n colorless but is fine

-OMG Dragon has no Magic Crystall Ball Radar!!!!

-In an instance of the game, uses a cable to bind the feet of a giant brontosaurus reptile like the Snow speeders in SW
Bashed for being un-original

And some other stuff, they really tried to not talk bout the strong points like the gameplay.

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It sure seems like the dragons shoot flames fast, but w/e, it'll destroy my enemies faster.
They had really bad reasons for bashing the game.

-Disliked the art **** even though GeOW is kinda brown n colorless but is fine

-OMG Dragon has no Magic Crystall Ball Radar!!!!

-In an instance of the game, uses a cable to bind the feet of a giant brontosaurus reptile like the Snow speeders in SW
Bashed for being un-original

And some other stuff, they really tried to not talk bout the strong points like the gameplay.

WongB

They called it a re-skinned X-wing... I have to say. Factor 5 made Rogue Squadron... WTF do you think the game is going to play like?

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#32 watdahello
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i could give **** abt wat they say abt the game~im still gonna buy this game~

i have faith that this game is goin 2 b great~theyre defenitely paid by ms~

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#33 snipe2004
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[QUOTE="barom"]THE REAL TRUTHThe_Tombo

STupidest reasons EVER!

totally agree. they say the gameplay, which is the most important aspect of games, is great but they dont like the art direction.

looks to me they favor graphics over gameplay. weird

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#34 The_Waffler14
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I herd that the sixaxis on the game was very smooth.
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#36 G-Legend
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[QUOTE="barom"]THE REAL TRUTHdarthogre

"BAD
They thought the dragon was a re- skinned x-wing
The dragon shooting fireballs was odd and wasn't realistic enough
The game had no map and someone asked if the graphics were good and he said "its High Def" and he didn't like the colors used,everything was brown and Grey.
They didn't like the art ****and said the game lacked innovation"

Are those EGM writers morons? A dragon shooting fireballs IS ODD!?!? And how they hell do you make shooting fireballs from a dragons mouth realistic? WTH does that even mean lol?

Have these guys ever seen Dragonslayer? It sounds like they just don't like dragon games from their explaination.

So basically they said they didn't like the colors and the art ****....but the controls, framerate, story was awesome.......but they gave it 5.5 score????

These guys are the biggest idiots I've ever seen.

EGM & 1UP are the same people just so you guys know and they're so biased it's not even funny. Wait for the GS or IGN review that will be smarter these guys don't know how to review I never listen to their reviews even if its a good 1.

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#37 darthogre
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[QUOTE="The_Tombo"]

[QUOTE="Killzall"]I think what they mean when they say the dragon shooting fire balls isnt realistic enough they mean it may be like a machine gun or something just to rapidly.Killzall

Becase there is an actual realistic way a DRAGON can SHOOT FIREBALLS..... :roll:

well think about it in this game dragons would be biological creatures not machince guns and if they were spiting out 120 firebals a minute would that seem realistic? mabey a short burst of 3 or 4 but not 20 or 30

The point is, how the hell do you base "realism" with DRAGONS?

You say it's not realistic that dragons would spit fireballs so quickly......are you kidding me? That's like saying mythical flying horse (pegasus?) is not realistic because he flys too high....everyone knows a horse couldn't breath at that altitude. rofl, the whole arugement is stupid if one of their reasons for hating the game (and yes, they hate the game to give it a 5.5) is because the dragons are not realistic when Dragons don't EXIST.

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#38 deactivated-5e7d3c08ed601
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crap> egm
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[QUOTE="MERC_RECONN"]Well, I started getting a bad feeling about Lair when they cancelled the demo for PSN. So in a way it makes the bad reviews seem like it's the truth.ajefferism

They didn't cancel the demo, according to the playstation blog it should be coming out within the month.

Also, the only negative review was EGM. Play, Edge, Gamezone, Gamepro, and Game Informer all gave it good reviews. My advice... wait until gamespot and ign.com review it, they seem to be most reliable.

Yeah, I think this game will definately be worth getting. I usually trust GamePro, but their review was a little silly, imo.

"Pros:Gorgeous Graphics, amazing orchestral soundtrack. Dragon Based action is fun."
all that sounds like a must buy, so what was their con?
"Con: The decision to utilize Sixaxis only control scheme hurts more than it helps"
uh, what? Isn't the Sixaxis one of the selling points of the game? Well darn, cause who was't hoping to not have to use that? Not like they've been harking about it for months now!

Also, as far as the dragon spitting fireballs too fast: in my opinion we are talking about a mythical creature here. I think they're allowed to take a few liberties.

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#40 Col_Swamp
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[QUOTE="WongB"]It got some decent/good review except for EGM/1UP. All the previews done by IGN and Gamespot said that the game looked great. I doubt it is going to be a AAA tho.MERC_RECONN

This is a little off topic, but I'd rather take a chance with Lair over Heavenly Sword...I was not impressed at all with that demo.

i agree, only the exact opposite.

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#41 tabathamax
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I agree with you. Patience is the key when learning a game and once you get used to it no problem.
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#42 tfaa
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Its weird because all the people who tested it at E3 said it was awesome on how they put the controls together. Its weird now that with the game coming out, bad reviews are coming from how bad the controls actualy are.......
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#43 Thrice_III
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Its weird because all the people who tested it at E3 said it was awesome on how they put the controls together. Its weird now that with the game coming out, bad reviews are coming from how bad the controls actualy are.......tfaa

That's my thought as well. All previews sounded good and said how the controls weren't bad. Now these first reviews are ripping into the controls, like what happened?

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#44 pumpkinescobar
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Has anyone considered that maybe the game just isn't as good as they expected?Bartz_Has_Bite

of course not because the rampant fanboyism just wont allow that. god forbid that one excluse be a bad game even though there are a lot of other exclusives that are going to bo just fantastic.

i have never once thought that this game was going to be good at all. it has always looked like garbage to me.

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#45 gizmo_logix
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THE REAL TRUTHbarom
Check out the comments on that link... EGM = DUMB A**SES
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#46 ModernTimes
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[QUOTE="barom"]THE REAL TRUTHgizmo_logix
Check out the comments on that link... EGM = DUMB A**SES

This "The Real Truth" is a complete lie. Am I the only one here who gets EGM? The EGM review said the controls Completely Sucked Hardcore.

If you want to hate EGM go ahead. But don't buy into these lies.

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#47 Theibault
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I always make up my own mind. Besides, who doesn't want to go into combat with a dragon!?!?! Temeraire would be proud.
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#49 5FingersOfDeath
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THE REAL TRUTHbarom

reading the posts there gave me a headache.

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#50 vegetattack15
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Well, I started getting a bad feeling about Lair when they cancelled the demo for PSN. So in a way it makes the bad reviews seem like it's the truth.MERC_RECONN

I know what you mean, I still want this game. But that made me feel iffy about it for the first time.