Let's talk RPGs. . .

First of all im not into RPGs...at all. Or at least i wasnt until i tried Mass Effect 2: a great game with a great story and great combat. Then i tried Fallout 3 and it was even more awesome! In my opinion it has everything a near-perfect game needs and it was a lot better than Mass Effect. So from the 2 RPGs i played both had great story and great combat/exploration, which means that ill have to disagree with you.

First of all, FF13s story was horrible, it's about whiny characters that go from A to B crying about their destiny. And there are tons of games sequels get more love than the 1. title, like Suikoden or Final Fantasy (7 and 10 get way more love than 1 ever got)

Demon's Souls and 3D Dot Game Heroes are the ONLY RPG's I will ever play ... I tried MAss Effect 2 (More of a shooter than RPG) and Dragon Age Origins (Decent story with bad graphics)

Story and gameplay reception are different from people to people.

In my case, i believe that FF13 was horrible in both story and gameplay.

The story was just "meh" and the storytelling was horrible and all over the place, the characters didnt contributed at all to make it more likable, i mean, sometimes a "meh" story can be helped with good characters and make a good game, you dont need an overly complex or deep story if your characters are interesting... this wasnt the case, and in fact, the characters hurted much more the game than the simple story... and the worst offender this time was, again, the storytelling.

The combat was also very repetitive and uninteresting, it was only switch paradigms and spam auto-attack... i see nothing interesting at all about that. Not only that, but a great deal of the combats where unavoidable in all senses. Whats the point on having enemies hanging around for you to avoid... if most of the times the levels where so restrictive that you just couldnt run pass the enemies... not only that, but you couldnt even escape the battles.

Imo, FF13 was a subpar RPG at best, and not even by FF standarts, but as an overall RPG experience.

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And i disagree, there is 1 more type of RPG out there than "Bad, good story bad combat/exploration, bad story and good combat/exploration", its one that has both Good story AND good gameplay. There is no reason why one should exclude the other, thats called making a half-half of a game, as simply as that.

If you want to focus on the gameplay, thats fine, but then dont come to me with a poorly excuse of a story and pretend that i take it seriously by giving me hours and hours of cutscenes.

And if you want to focus on Story, then at least have a really good one with good characters to justify the poor gameplay. (and even with this, the gameplay should be competent, and not something that is just painful to use)

Well, I'm a western rpg type of person, so I've been into the Elder Scrolls games, ME2, and Demon's Souls (yes, not western, but has a very western feel to it). I find these games often have better characters and stories along with good combat. I've tried to get into JRPGs but they really can't hold my attention. I've tried with Rogue Galaxy, Star Ocean: Till the End of Time, Valkyria Chronicles 2, and a few others. After playing for around 7 hours everything just begins to feel really repetetive. Whereas, when I play something like ME2, I always want to know what is going to happen next, though that may be because of my love for sci-fi, or because it wasn't really an rpg. Elder Scrolls Oblivion really kept me hooked for a while, and I still go back to it. Everything from the locations to the missions were just fun. Sadly, I can't say the same about Fallout 3, which did next to nothing for me, leaving me not wanting to finish it. I do think the ps3 should get some more western rpg's, which it seems to be doing. Sure, this may get some people annoyed, but how many jrpg's can you play, just like how many COD and COD knockoffs can you play?

Are you comparing Valkyria Chronicles to COD? Besides, playing WRPGs on anything other than PC just doesn't appeal to me really. I always wonder how people play BioWare games on consolesfunsohng

ME2 isn't bad on consoles, but that's why I didn't get DA for the ps3, it just looks awkward to play with a controller. And no, I wasn't saying Valkyria Chronicles is like COD, it's just that the ps2 had a ton of JRPG's, which eventually just became overwhelming and tiring, sort of like COD. In terms of game quality, I'd probably rather go through a JRPG than COD.

RPGs are my favorite, I just can't get into FPS games anymore at all. And I don't like any TPS I can think of besides Uncharted.

I take the bad with the good and just be happy that RPGs are still being made. At least its not going out like side scrollers. I feel sorry for people who's favorite genre is side-scrollers.

Only RPG I really got into was oblivion, so i will be playing Skyrim!

I hate when people Bash FF13 for stupid reasons. They intentionally made the characters the way they did so that there would be character development. If they were charactors made of stone, that would be even worse in my opinion. Hope for example. He is very whiny at first, but when he slowly came to grips with his mothers death, he became a relate-able charactor with feelings and depth. How would you feel if your mother was killed in front of you and your world unraveled right in front of your eyes, at twelve? The story was the redeeming quality for me. I really think that the only way to truly beat the game is to beat it a second time. There were so many OOOOHHH moments in my second play through. If you are going to bash that game, do so about it`s linearity, save/shop system, leveling at the end of the game (it takes FOREVER). Don`t bash one of the most in depth and engaging stories in a recent RPG.