Liquid Ocelot is a good guy? yet

ok i read on MGS saga explained website that Liquid is a good guy, and all the villains from previous games were also actually good guys who were trying to topple the Patriots. (The only Tool of the Patriots was Solid Snake).

But what kind of "good guy" kills all those soldiers on the Eastern European river they way Liquid Ocelot does?

ok i read on MGS saga explained website that Liquid is a good guy, and all the villains from previous games were also actually good guys who were trying to topple the Patriots. (The only Tool of the Patriots was Solid Snake).

But what kind of "good guy" kills all those soldiers on the Eastern European river they way Liquid Ocelot does?

multiplat

I would put spoilers up or something, some people have not played the amazing game yet. I am not one of those people, but still. I guess "good guy" is kind of a bad word haha. It all depends on your definition. More like Liquid had an agenda and didn't care about anything else I do believe.

not "all" were originally good guys. remember that liquid ocelot is in fact being controlled by liquid snake. i dont recall him ever being " a good guy bent on toppling the patriots". i believe we could lump vamp and psycho mantis in this boat as well.

not "all" were originally good guys. remember that liquid ocelot is in fact being controlled by liquid snake. i dont recall him ever being " a good guy bent on toppling the patriots". i believe we could lump vamp and psycho mantis in this boat as well.

newhighscore

Wait...Liquid died from the FOXDIE and while it seemed he was controlling Ocelot, he in fact never was as it was revealed that Ocelot was always in control but needed part of Liquid to gain access to the system and achieve his goal. Ocelots goal was to take down the Patriots and in that sense...yes u can say he was a "good" guy. Its all used loosely, good and bad can be defined in different ways from opposing perspectives.

Wait...Liquid died from the FOXDIE and while it seemed he was controlling Ocelot, he in fact never was as it was revealed that Ocelot was always in control but needed part of Liquid to gain access to the system and achieve his goal. Ocelots goal was to take down the Patriots and in that sense...yes u can say he was a "good" guy. Its all used loosely, good and bad can be defined in different ways from opposing perspectives.

KoolzKatz

Wait....did i miss that? I thought Ocelot really was taken over by Liquid at times. Now you have me all confused.

Um, Liquid wasn't controlling anybody because Liquid was dead. Kojima ditched that whole "possession" angle. Ocelot was faking it the whole time (and rightfully so)

And no, Ocelot wasn't a "good guy". He wanted control of the AI system himself with GW replacing JD once JD was destroyed. They only had a common enemy. That doesn't make him a good guy. The difference is, each wanted a different outcome.

so he wasn;t under any type of hypnosis?verbalfilth

No, he knew what he was doing the whole time. He tried to become a ghost in the system (along with his GW server). Liquid's officially dead. Has been dead since MGS1. Ocelot, being one of the human Patriots (or former in this case) still had enough power to do something about it. Don't forget, The Patriots split up and Ocelot was pro-Big Boss. But kinda went rogue. It all spun out of control.

But yes, Ocelot admited it before he died. They ditched it probably because it was either a plot that went no where, or it wasn't well received...

[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]so he wasn;t under any type of hypnosis?Denji

No, he knew what he was doing the whole time. He tried to become a ghost in the system (along with his GW server). Liquid's officially dead. Has been dead since MGS1. Ocelot, being one of the human Patriots (or former in this case) still had enough power to do something about it. Don't forget, The Patriots split up and Ocelot was pro-Big Boss. But kinda went rogue. It all spun out of control.

But yes, Ocelot admited it before he died. They ditched it probably because it was either a plot that went no where, or it wasn't well received...

Um, Liquid wasn't controlling anybody because Liquid was dead. Kojima ditched that whole "possession" angle. Ocelot was faking it the whole time (and rightfully so)

And no, Ocelot wasn't a "good guy". He wanted control of the AI system himself with GW replacing JD once JD was destroyed. They only had a common enemy. That doesn't make him a good guy. The difference is, each wanted a different outcome.

Denji

Mark this topic as SPOILERS!!! you are going to ruin the game for alot of people...

SPOILERS ALERT!!!:

It would take too long to explain the whole story if you are really interested download the MGS database, otherwise replay all of the games, but to answer quickly...anyway Ocelot used Hypnosis and nanomachine manipulation to create a liquid snake alter ego. He wanted solid snake to destroy the patriots. So it was a plan from the whole beginning, he new what he had to do, at the end of the battle in MGS4 he is killed by the nanomachines that Drebin injected into snake, these are the same nanomachines that later kill Big Boss.

[QUOTE="Denji"]

Um, Liquid wasn't controlling anybody because Liquid was dead. Kojima ditched that whole "possession" angle. Ocelot was faking it the whole time (and rightfully so)

And no, Ocelot wasn't a "good guy". He wanted control of the AI system himself with GW replacing JD once JD was destroyed. They only had a common enemy. That doesn't make him a good guy. The difference is, each wanted a different outcome.

Star650

Yeah, I kinda forgot to mention that part:lol:

[SPOILER ALERT!] \\\\ \\\ \\ \ Liquid Snake is dead. He isn't controlling anyone. What I remember is that Ocelot went through (as verbalfilth mentioned) a self induced hypnotic influence. This was because he had a mission to carry out. Yes, he was a good guy. He has always been a friend of Big Boss. They were all trying to destroy the Patriots (who were the real "bad guys" in the game, even if it was all computer AI). Because of the state Liquid Ocelot is in, he is unable to take control himself. Because of a "duel personality". You see at the end of MGS4 that he is slowly reverting back to his older self, and actually dies as Ocelot and not as Liquid Ocelot or Liquid. \ \\ \\\ \\\\ [SPOILER FINISH!] You should really show some sort of spoiler alert TC. @Denji. Even though Kojima ditched that whole possession angle, I do think he was in a hypnotized state. mgs_freak91

You just said liquid isnt controlling anybody, but that ocelot has other personalities and liquid is one of them.

Um, Liquid wasn't controlling anybody because Liquid was dead. Kojima ditched that whole "possession" angle. Ocelot was faking it the whole time (and rightfully so)

And no, Ocelot wasn't a "good guy". He wanted control of the AI system himself with GW replacing JD once JD was destroyed. They only had a common enemy. That doesn't make him a good guy. The difference is, each wanted a different outcome.

Denji

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"][SPOILER ALERT!] \\\\ \\\ \\ \ Liquid Snake is dead. He isn't controlling anyone. What I remember is that Ocelot went through (as verbalfilth mentioned) a self induced hypnotic influence. This was because he had a mission to carry out. Yes, he was a good guy. He has always been a friend of Big Boss. They were all trying to destroy the Patriots (who were the real "bad guys" in the game, even if it was all computer AI). Because of the state Liquid Ocelot is in, he is unable to take control himself. Because of a "duel personality". You see at the end of MGS4 that he is slowly reverting back to his older self, and actually dies as Ocelot and not as Liquid Ocelot or Liquid. \ \\ \\\ \\\\ [SPOILER FINISH!] You should really show some sort of spoiler alert TC. @Denji. Even though Kojima ditched that whole possession angle, I do think he was in a hypnotized state. NaveedLife

You just said liquid isnt controlling anybody, but that ocelot has other personalities and liquid is one of them.

(Metal Gear Solid spoilers within)

[spoiler] Maybe there are no "good guys" or "bad guys." Even when two or more sides are in opposition to each other, that doesn't mean there are certain parties that are "bad" and others that are "good." They just each have their own conflicting motivations. Ocelot is a good example of this: Ocelot enjoys torturing people - he must be evil. But he's working in opposition to the Patriots, a corrupt organization that seeks to limit the freedoms of people - so he must be good? Of course, it's debatable whether or not the Patriots are "good" or "evil." That's what I like about the Metal Gear Solid series - it's more complicated than just black and white heroes and villains. [/spoiler]

liquid is the real bad guy. Ocelot is a "good" guy. Liquid took over ocelots body.

By the way you guys, that accent Ocelot had when "possessed" in MGS2 is no longer considered canon.hazelnutman

"You're drowning in time!" All hail Cam Clarke! :P

The ultimate flaw of MGS2:?

[QUOTE="hazelnutman"]By the way you guys, that accent Ocelot had when "possessed" in MGS2 is no longer considered canon.Denji

"You're drowning in time!" All hail Cam Clarke! :P

The ultimate flaw of MGS2:?

[QUOTE="Denji"]

[QUOTE="hazelnutman"]By the way you guys, that accent Ocelot had when "possessed" in MGS2 is no longer considered canon.hazelnutman

"You're drowning in time!" All hail Cam Clarke! :P

The ultimate flaw of MGS2:?

Though, a part of me wishes it wasn't Ocelot pretending to be Liquid. I wished Snake was fighting Ocelot "directly"..

[QUOTE="hazelnutman"][QUOTE="Denji"]

"You're drowning in time!" All hail Cam Clarke! :P

The ultimate flaw of MGS2:?

Denji

Though, a part of me wishes it wasn't Ocelot pretending to be Liquid. I wished Snake was fighting Ocelot "directly"..

[QUOTE="Denji"]

[QUOTE="hazelnutman"] Yeah, he's the George Lucas of the industry with his "we'll figure it out later" attitude towards the plot. Still, I rather liked the small twist. Sure, it was screaming "LOL WAY TO DEBUNK YOUR OWN STORY!" but it was a nice way to wrap up the series by ending it with the redemption and sacrifice of an unsung hero who worked behind the scenes in every MGS game to date.hazelnutman

Though, a part of me wishes it wasn't Ocelot pretending to be Liquid. I wished Snake was fighting Ocelot "directly"..