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#1 Robotrix
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I've always had my doubts of the Killzone 2 demo at E3 and whether it was possible on the PS3, but now that I'm hearing about another demo at E3 I just can't help but being led to believe that it definitely isn't possible.
Every time I think about it I'm reminded of the upcoming DirectX 10 game Crysis - A DIRECTX 10 GAME! - and none of us can deny that the CGI demonstration of what Guerilla Games expect to achieve out of the PS3 with Killzone 2 is much graphically better looking than Crysis. Oh and did I forget to mention that Crysis is a DX10 game!

So how on mother nature's almighty Earth is Killzone 2 going to look as good as that CGI demo?

Just a point I thought I'd share with everyone before you all get ahead of yourselves from excitement.

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I've always had my doubts of the Killzone 2 demo at E3 and whether it was possible on the PS3, but now that I'm hearing about another demo at E3 I just can't help but being led to believe that it definitely isn't possible.
Every time I think about it I'm reminded of the upcoming DirectX 10 game Crysis - A DIRECTX 10 GAME! - and none of us can deny that the CGI demonstration of what Guerilla Games expect to achieve out of the PS3 with Killzone 2 is much graphically better looking than Crysis. Oh and did I forget to mention that Crysis is a DX10 game!

So how on mother nature's almighty Earth is Killzone 2 going to look as good as that CGI demo?

Just a point I thought I'd share with everyone before you all get ahead of yourselves from excitement.

Robotrix

just so you know, OpenGL runs laps around DirectX. LAPS! DirectX has just been the standard set by Suckosoft

and since the PS3 runs on OpenGL, then it doesnt matter how crysis looks, because it can look better

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#3 Robotrix
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[QUOTE="Robotrix"]

I've always had my doubts of the Killzone 2 demo at E3 and whether it was possible on the PS3, but now that I'm hearing about another demo at E3 I just can't help but being led to believe that it definitely isn't possible.
Every time I think about it I'm reminded of the upcoming DirectX 10 game Crysis - A DIRECTX 10 GAME! - and none of us can deny that the CGI demonstration of what Guerilla Games expect to achieve out of the PS3 with Killzone 2 is much graphically better looking than Crysis. Oh and did I forget to mention that Crysis is a DX10 game!

So how on mother nature's almighty Earth is Killzone 2 going to look as good as that CGI demo?

Just a point I thought I'd share with everyone before you all get ahead of yourselves from excitement.

vip3r666


just so you know, OpenGL runs laps around DirectX. LAPS! DirectX has just been the standard set by Suckosoft and since the PS3 runs on OpenGL, then it doesnt matter how crysis looks, because it can look better


You certainly sound very informed...
Unless you don't mind explaining to me why OpenGL 2.0 is more advanced than DirectX10?

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#4 foxbait95
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hmm i dont know what video you talking about, but i wouldnt say that the killzone e3 05 vid looked better than crisis. the vid looked good, but i think it was the animations and fluid movement that really got people, along with the good look, but it didnt look like crisis. its not supposed to , crisis looks like very real jungle stuff, KZ is a wore torn environment, not really the same.
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#5 teebeenz
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OpenGL is faster because its a clean pathway, in directx is bogged down by MS's crap. Still however those who have seen KZ2 running have said it was far from impressive.
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#6 Robotrix
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hmm i dont know what video you talking about, but i wouldnt say that the killzone e3 05 vid looked better than crisis. the vid looked good, but i think it was the animations and fluid movement that really got people, along with the good look, but it didnt look like crisis. its not supposed to , crisis looks like very real jungle stuff, KZ is a wore torn environment, not really the same.foxbait95

Of course they both have different art styles, and the detail onsome thingssuch as the faces might detailed to a slight lesser degree onKZ2 CGIvideo, but there's still soo much moregoing on in thatCGI video.
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I prefer OpenGL. I've seen some screens done with DX10 that have looked better than OpenGL2.1, but I haven't seen anything to say OpenGL couldn't go beyond what I saw.

The best way to pit the two against eachother would be to use the Cell. While the Cell's primary API is Open GL, the Cell can emulate DX10. Since there wouldn't be so much Microsoft garbage corroding its performance within the PS3, we can see an honest competition.
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[QUOTE="teebeenz"]OpenGL is faster because its a clean pathway, in directx is bogged down by MS's crap. Still however those who have seen KZ2 running have said it was far from impressive.Robotrix

You immediately render your info nothing but a load of rubbish just from that biased fanboyism. So give up and go do some research.

What were you payed by CrapSoft to come here and post this? Go and do a comparison on a GL complient vid card vs. dx, and you'll see that OpenGL is capable of faster fps. Infact, go look up some of other people's comparisons as well.

Go on ahead and continue to supply MS with more money, just like all of the other hopeless losers out there. I'll stick to my stuff, knowing that yours is garbage.

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#10 Erik729
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I never did play Killzone for PS2, but I heard it was not too bad, but not nearly as good and funas it was hyped up to be. I think it is strange how everyone is ranting and battling over how the game could never look that good. Did anyone ever stop to think that what was shown could just be a presentation as to how frenetic the action is going to be? I understand graphics are ahuge partof gaming today, but what if those graphics are possible on the PS3, but the gameplay is as linear as (forgive me) Pitfall for theAtari, andhas the controlsof Metal Gear Solid for gamecube(thosewere horrendous, by the way).The game wouldnotbe very fun, andit wouldget old quick, so instead of hearing about all the graphics,(don't get me wrong, I really like that eye-candy too)has anyone heardhow the gameplayis supposed to pan out?I have been just as interested about this game as the next PS3 owner, and have been looking into it. But I have yet to hear any other news than budget this and graphics that. Will this game be fun to play?
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#11 Robotrix
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[QUOTE="Robotrix"][QUOTE="teebeenz"]OpenGL is faster because its a clean pathway, in directx is bogged down by MS's crap. Still however those who have seen KZ2 running have said it was far from impressive.ugz602


You immediately render your info nothing but a load of rubbish just from that biased fanboyism. So give up and go do some research.


What were you payed by CrapSoft to come here and post this? Go and do a comparison on a GL complient vid card vs. dx, and you'll see that OpenGL is capable of faster fps. Infact, go look up some of other people's comparisons as well.

Go on ahead and continue to supply MS with more money, just like all of the other hopeless idiots out there. I'll stick to my stuff, knowing that yours is garbage.


You're being a real fanboy so if anything it's probably you the one who is being paid to promote OpenGL.

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It's already been stated that 360 and PS3 can both run Crysis graphics. Yet I've heard the PC has more buttons than the standard controller and there will just be alot of buttons
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#13 Robotrix
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It's already been stated that 360 and PS3 can both run Crysis graphics. Yet I've heard the PC has more buttons than the standard controller and there will just be alot of buttonsswade

Yes, but only equivalent to DX9 quality graphics.
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the only doubt i have is spending that much money not to have a graphics powerhouse, i mean thats alot of money and too come up short and how the game looks and plays would be sad. but really killzone is not the savior of the ps3 its just a game that has been hyped to the full max, i hope it does well i did enjoy the first but not as much as i could have. i just want my money going to games that people are taking the time to make it enjoyable and breathtaking for the consumer and i hope KZ2 is one of those games
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#15 -oG-ShAdY
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I hope Killzone 2 for the PS3 is what Golden Eye was for the N64. The pinnacle shooter for the console. I also hope that KZ 2 is for the PS3 as Mario 64 was for the N64. A mind blowing and console defining moment.
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[QUOTE="swade"]It's already been stated that 360 and PS3 can both run Crysis graphics. Yet I've heard the PC has more buttons than the standard controller and there will just be alot of buttonsRobotrix

Yes, but only equivalent to DX9 quality graphics.

what are u talking about.....

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I've always had my doubts of the Killzone 2 demo at E3 and whether it was possible on the PS3, but now that I'm hearing about another demo at E3 I just can't help but being led to believe that it definitely isn't possible.
Every time I think about it I'm reminded of the upcoming DirectX 10 game Crysis - A DIRECTX 10 GAME! - and none of us can deny that the CGI demonstration of what Guerilla Games expect to achieve out of the PS3 with Killzone 2 is much graphically better looking than Crysis. Oh and did I forget to mention that Crysis is a DX10 game!

So how on mother nature's almighty Earth is Killzone 2 going to look as good as that CGI demo?

Just a point I thought I'd share with everyone before you all get ahead of yourselves from excitement.

Robotrix

ill keep this short a sweat OPENGL IS WAY better than directX and i saw ur post saying "
You certainly sound very informed..." man why say that when ur clearly the one now informed this isnt intended as a flame but geez man Have you seen COD4? Looks better than crysis in many aspects

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[QUOTE="Robotrix"][QUOTE="swade"]It's already been stated that 360 and PS3 can both run Crysis graphics. Yet I've heard the PC has more buttons than the standard controller and there will just be alot of buttonsEcho13791


Yes, but only equivalent to DX9 quality graphics.

what are u talking about.....

thats what im tryin to figure out

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#19 whiteshadow55
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O also its been stated that ps3 is gonna beable to run up to OpenGl 3.0
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#20 Shadowhawk2606
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I just don't want the developers to put most of there effort into making sure the games looks really good, but then neglect the rest of the game. In my opinion, Killzone 2 just can't get by alone on good looks, it has to be a great game overall in order for it be successful. I would love to see a great story, along with really cool weapon customization, great online multi-player, as well aslook really awesome graphically. One thing I like about the halo 3, even though I've never played any of the halo games, is all the different way's you can customize the different game types. Plus I really like the ability to record what you did wrong or right in an online game and then later play it back.Having that feature in Halo 3 is really awesome, because it gives you an opportunity to learn from your mistakes. So having features like that in Killzone 2 will not only make the game that much better, but quite possibly put in that elite category ofbeing oneof the best fps games ever.
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[QUOTE="teebeenz"]OpenGL is faster because its a clean pathway, in directx is bogged down by MS's crap. Still however those who have seen KZ2 running have said it was far from impressive.Robotrix

You immediately render your info nothing but a load of rubbish just from that biased fanboyism. So give up and go do some research.

Actually, he is right. Killzone 2 was shown at an early conference and the press and industry were talking about how it was no where near the CGI trailer that was originally shown. Unfortunately, he either didn't mention or failed to notice that during this showing of KZ2 the developers specifically said that they were NOT showing off the graphics but were using it to demonstrate AI or some such. they were using an old graphical build.

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[QUOTE="Echo13791"]

[QUOTE="Robotrix"][QUOTE="swade"]It's already been stated that 360 and PS3 can both run Crysis graphics. Yet I've heard the PC has more buttons than the standard controller and there will just be alot of buttons9thwardice


Yes, but only equivalent to DX9 quality graphics.

what are u talking about.....

thats what im tryin to figure out

i think he's saying that both consoles could run Crisys but only with graphics qualities as those seen in DX9, and that it could not be run with the level of detail as DX10
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#24 MGSFan27285
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[QUOTE="vip3r666"][QUOTE="Robotrix"]

I've always had my doubts of the Killzone 2 demo at E3 and whether it was possible on the PS3, but now that I'm hearing about another demo at E3 I just can't help but being led to believe that it definitely isn't possible.
Every time I think about it I'm reminded of the upcoming DirectX 10 game Crysis - A DIRECTX 10 GAME! - and none of us can deny that the CGI demonstration of what Guerilla Games expect to achieve out of the PS3 with Killzone 2 is much graphically better looking than Crysis. Oh and did I forget to mention that Crysis is a DX10 game!

So how on mother nature's almighty Earth is Killzone 2 going to look as good as that CGI demo?

Just a point I thought I'd share with everyone before you all get ahead of yourselves from excitement.

Robotrix


just so you know, OpenGL runs laps around DirectX. LAPS! DirectX has just been the standard set by Suckosoft and since the PS3 runs on OpenGL, then it doesnt matter how crysis looks, because it can look better


You certainly sound very informed...
Unless you don't mind explaining to me why OpenGL 2.0 is more advanced than DirectX10?

thing about DX is that its a library, bunch of pre-made objects, used for PCs mostly. openGL is programmed, sso you MAKE the library. thats how it was once explained to me...by my guitar instructor whoes now a website designer lol. but openGL is better than DX, more flexibilty, though i know not how to use and dont intend to ever know, i just wanna play games, not make them.