New Generation = New Disc Format?
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Hey there all! I'm not sure if everyone has noticed this, but I have... Every generation of Playstation console has a new disc drive format as the main drive. Look and be amazed! Playstation (1995 - 2005) - CD [700MB] Drive capabilities: Play PS1 games and audio CD's. Playstation 2 (2000 - Current) - DVD [4.7GB - 8 GB] Drive capabilities: Play PS1 and PS2 games. Play audio CD's and DVD movies. Playstation 3 (2006 - Current) - Blu-ray [25GB - 50GB] Drive capabilities: Play PS1, PS2, and PS3 games. Play audio CD's, DVD movies, and Blu-ray movies. Basically plays everything but other system discs and HD-DVD movies. So, with this in mind, can we conclude that Playstation 4 will have a new disc format? I forget where, but there is a disc in the works that uses an ultra-violet laser and with such a laser, a disc could hold upwards of 1000GB's or more. I cant even imagine using up 1 Terabyte of information on anything, let alone having a Terabyte of information on a single disc! My computer has an 80GB harddrive! So the disc in the works would be able to hold more than 10x the amount that my home computer can! What would happan if I mis-place the disc!? :o What are your thoughts, worries or encouragements? Telekill
Thats what i also had in mind. All these years Sony had introduced new disk formats into their systems and they all have been successful. Hope blu-ray follows the same directions as CD, DVD. The problem was that during that time the CD and DVD didnt have any competition, they were the only disc formats (the only ones i can think of ) but for blu-ray they have to compete against hd-dvds. But in my opinion i think that ps3 and blu-ray is doing pretty well, actually blu-ray is doing great, its just matter of time before we think about the same way on the ps3 and anyway there still is the european launch in march :D
i think next gen the blu-ray will be cheaper and there will be a 200g blu-ray dics. we don't need a new format yet just a bigger blu-ray. the games will be 70 dollors because by then the graphics will be so expesive to create. it will be like funding for a pixar movie.GARRYTHof course we dont need a new format but that isnt gonna stop people from forcin it on us like always
Well I think it depends on how this generation ends...If Blu-Ray does take off and become the new format of choice...then DVD will become the new VHS and Blu-Ray will be the new DVD and so on...(I think that makes sense)
So if Blu-Ray sells that will be the format for video games for the next I dont know 4-5 years would be my guess...atleast through PS4 or whatever it may be called...
This time around is very different we have two formats competing....I think we will see larger disc capacities as opposed to an entirely new format....maybe a faster disc reader...multi 8 core CPUs...and a lot more video memory and physical memory before we see a new disc format
We are seeing the industry in it's infant stages, but mark my words, HD content will be distrbuted over the internet, not discs. It's not hard to think ahead and see that with video games. You'll get the system, it'll ship with a 1-2TB hard disc (essentially unlimited game storage), and you'll download the games directly to the system (either rent or buy). It'll take 20 minutes to download it, and bam you have the game on your system.
there will be another Playstation. but it won't be named PS4. the number 4, in japanese, means death. Sony will not release a console named "Playstation Death".eclipsed4utooMaybe, but then again, they could call it PlayStation Four and force the English pronunciation (since PlayStation is English already) As for the next format, many people have said that BD vs HD-DVD might be the last format war and digital distribution might take over. Almost impossible to see how the internet will develope, it's such a fast changing platform.
PS4 will most likely have no discs, discs are gonna be dead in 5 years that's what irritates me about people getting all wrapped up in a next-gen disc war. how long did it take for the iPod to murder the CD industry? 2-3 years? With Fiber Optic and fast cable/DSL in most people's houses in the next 5 years or so, you will not buy discs, look at the 360, Apple's iTV, TiVo's set-top box, NetFlix is getting into, Amazon, they are delivering HD content directly to the TV/Hard Drive.The iPod hasn't killed the CD industry. CDs still make up the vast majority of total music sales. However, iTunes is the biggest music retailer. But they're also the only notable digital music retailer; they're outnumbered by the music CD retailers.
We are seeing the industry in it's infant stages, but mark my words, HD content will be distrbuted over the internet, not discs. It's not hard to think ahead and see that with video games. You'll get the system, it'll ship with a 1-2TB hard disc (essentially unlimited game storage), and you'll download the games directly to the system (either rent or buy). It'll take 20 minutes to download it, and bam you have the game on your system.
chembro84
[QUOTE="chembro84"]PS4 will most likely have no discs, discs are gonna be dead in 5 years that's what irritates me about people getting all wrapped up in a next-gen disc war. how long did it take for the iPod to murder the CD industry? 2-3 years? With Fiber Optic and fast cable/DSL in most people's houses in the next 5 years or so, you will not buy discs, look at the 360, Apple's iTV, TiVo's set-top box, NetFlix is getting into, Amazon, they are delivering HD content directly to the TV/Hard Drive.The iPod hasn't killed the CD industry. CDs still make up the vast majority of total music sales. However, iTunes is the biggest music retailer. But they're also the only notable digital music retailer; they're outnumbered by the music CD retailers. Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is.
We are seeing the industry in it's infant stages, but mark my words, HD content will be distrbuted over the internet, not discs. It's not hard to think ahead and see that with video games. You'll get the system, it'll ship with a 1-2TB hard disc (essentially unlimited game storage), and you'll download the games directly to the system (either rent or buy). It'll take 20 minutes to download it, and bam you have the game on your system.
mjarantilla
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="chembro84"]PS4 will most likely have no discs, discs are gonna be dead in 5 years that's what irritates me about people getting all wrapped up in a next-gen disc war. how long did it take for the iPod to murder the CD industry? 2-3 years? With Fiber Optic and fast cable/DSL in most people's houses in the next 5 years or so, you will not buy discs, look at the 360, Apple's iTV, TiVo's set-top box, NetFlix is getting into, Amazon, they are delivering HD content directly to the TV/Hard Drive.The iPod hasn't killed the CD industry. CDs still make up the vast majority of total music sales. However, iTunes is the biggest music retailer. But they're also the only notable digital music retailer; they're outnumbered by the music CD retailers. Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is. I think its going to be different with internet TV and so on...The interenet is accessed through such a large variety of service providers that it will be a failrly long time before we see disc-less consoles...iTunes can be installed on almost any computer and despite connection speed a consumer can access the information fairly easily because it is not very large... With games however...how far can compression methods take them? I mean look at c urrent games...they use what 7-15GB depending on how they compress the information? Imagine trying to compress a game into a size that is small enough that anyone with a reasonable connection speed could download it... Even something like 4GB would take a while...especially if they were using older connection methods instead of DSL or FIber optics... I think we will have to wait for better compression methods and cheaper high speed internet before we stop going to Gamestop or other retailers to pick up a game....
We are seeing the industry in it's infant stages, but mark my words, HD content will be distrbuted over the internet, not discs. It's not hard to think ahead and see that with video games. You'll get the system, it'll ship with a 1-2TB hard disc (essentially unlimited game storage), and you'll download the games directly to the system (either rent or buy). It'll take 20 minutes to download it, and bam you have the game on your system.
chembro84
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="chembro84"]PS4 will most likely have no discs, discs are gonna be dead in 5 years that's what irritates me about people getting all wrapped up in a next-gen disc war. how long did it take for the iPod to murder the CD industry? 2-3 years? With Fiber Optic and fast cable/DSL in most people's houses in the next 5 years or so, you will not buy discs, look at the 360, Apple's iTV, TiVo's set-top box, NetFlix is getting into, Amazon, they are delivering HD content directly to the TV/Hard Drive.The iPod hasn't killed the CD industry. CDs still make up the vast majority of total music sales. However, iTunes is the biggest music retailer. But they're also the only notable digital music retailer; they're outnumbered by the music CD retailers. Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is. they better not i will not buy a stupid ipod. i ahve a cd player at work, car, home. i not going to have a ipod were ever i go.
We are seeing the industry in it's infant stages, but mark my words, HD content will be distrbuted over the internet, not discs. It's not hard to think ahead and see that with video games. You'll get the system, it'll ship with a 1-2TB hard disc (essentially unlimited game storage), and you'll download the games directly to the system (either rent or buy). It'll take 20 minutes to download it, and bam you have the game on your system.
chembro84
[QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="chembro84"]PS4 will most likely have no discs, discs are gonna be dead in 5 years that's what irritates me about people getting all wrapped up in a next-gen disc war. how long did it take for the iPod to murder the CD industry? 2-3 years? With Fiber Optic and fast cable/DSL in most people's houses in the next 5 years or so, you will not buy discs, look at the 360, Apple's iTV, TiVo's set-top box, NetFlix is getting into, Amazon, they are delivering HD content directly to the TV/Hard Drive.The iPod hasn't killed the CD industry. CDs still make up the vast majority of total music sales. However, iTunes is the biggest music retailer. But they're also the only notable digital music retailer; they're outnumbered by the music CD retailers. Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is. they better not i will not buy a stupid ipod. i ahve a cd player at work, car, home. i not going to have a ipod were ever i go. Yeah they should make a portable MP3 player, where like you could keep every single one of your songs in this small little device that has like 20 hours of battery life. Naw I'd rather carry a bunch of dics which can be scratched with me, that makes more sense.
We are seeing the industry in it's infant stages, but mark my words, HD content will be distrbuted over the internet, not discs. It's not hard to think ahead and see that with video games. You'll get the system, it'll ship with a 1-2TB hard disc (essentially unlimited game storage), and you'll download the games directly to the system (either rent or buy). It'll take 20 minutes to download it, and bam you have the game on your system.
GARRYTH
Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is.chembro84
You've answered your own question. Target and Walmart are the cause of stores like Tower Record going out of business, not iTunes. Tower Record was expensive and had little to offer by the way of selection. Plus why would you want to make 5 or 6 stops while out shopping when it can all be done in the comfort of one store? Speciality stores are a thing of the passed. I don't think digital distribution will ever be the norm (if it does happen it won't be for a while) for at least 2 reasons.
1. It requires people to keep up with the technology and for most people this is not possible.
2. When people purchase a product they want something tangible to give it a feeling of worth. Data is not tangible.
I think MP3 player companies are playing us all for fools anyway not providing some sort of expandable memory slot. If they did this music companies could change over to a memory stick type format and not only could the consumer transfer music directly from the stick to the mp3 player they wouldn't even need a computer to do it. It would be so damn convienent I am amazed it hasn't be done already.
[QUOTE="chembro84"] Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is.pb1285n
You've answered your own question. Target and Walmart are the cause of stores like Tower Record going out of business, not iTunes. Tower Record was expensive and had little to offer by the way of selection. Plus why would you want to make 5 or 6 stops while out shopping when it can all be done in the comfort of one store? Speciality stores are a thing of the passed. I don't think digital distribution will ever be the norm (if it does happen it won't be for a while) for at least 2 reasons.
1. It requires people to keep up with the technology and for most people this is not possible.
2. When people purchase a product they want something tangible to give it a feeling of worth. Data is not tangible.
I think MP3 player companies are playing us all for fools anyway not providing some sort of expandable memory slot. If they did this music companies could change over to a memory stick type format and not only could the consumer transfer music directly from the stick to the mp3 player they wouldn't even need a computer to do it. It would be so damn convienent I am amazed it hasn't be done already.
I'm a futurist, people tell me I'm wrong all the time, the only thing I'm wrong about usually is that it happens faster than I said it would. Digitial distribution will overtake physcial distribution there is absolutely no question about that, the only question is the time frame.[QUOTE="pb1285n"][QUOTE="chembro84"] Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is.chembro84
You've answered your own question. Target and Walmart are the cause of stores like Tower Record going out of business, not iTunes. Tower Record was expensive and had little to offer by the way of selection. Plus why would you want to make 5 or 6 stops while out shopping when it can all be done in the comfort of one store? Speciality stores are a thing of the passed. I don't think digital distribution will ever be the norm (if it does happen it won't be for a while) for at least 2 reasons.
1. It requires people to keep up with the technology and for most people this is not possible.
2. When people purchase a product they want something tangible to give it a feeling of worth. Data is not tangible.
I think MP3 player companies are playing us all for fools anyway not providing some sort of expandable memory slot. If they did this music companies could change over to a memory stick type format and not only could the consumer transfer music directly from the stick to the mp3 player they wouldn't even need a computer to do it. It would be so damn convienent I am amazed it hasn't be done already.
I'm a futurist, people tell me I'm wrong all the time, the only thing I'm wrong about usually is that it happens faster than I said it would. Digitial distribution will overtake physcial distribution there is absolutely no question about that, the only question is the time frame. A "futurist"...? I think the issue would be the loss of jobs...think about how many people are employed at a store like Best Buy or Circuit City...if you eliminate 3/4 of what they sell you eliminate 3/4 of the available jobs....Retail stores selling products creates jobs...I think thats the biggest problem with your digital distribution theory... Digital distribution could never take over physical distribution to the point at which there were zero physicals copies sold...the reason being...we are not communist nor socialist...everyone does not have the internet....everyone does not have a computer...everyone does not have high speed internet..There is no way to force that upon people either...there are still individuals buying VHS tapes because they dont want a DVD player... Until computers and high speed internet become incredibly, cheap such that everyone can afford one, we will have actual discs...[QUOTE="pb1285n"][QUOTE="chembro84"] Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is.chembro84
You've answered your own question. Target and Walmart are the cause of stores like Tower Record going out of business, not iTunes. Tower Record was expensive and had little to offer by the way of selection. Plus why would you want to make 5 or 6 stops while out shopping when it can all be done in the comfort of one store? Speciality stores are a thing of the passed. I don't think digital distribution will ever be the norm (if it does happen it won't be for a while) for at least 2 reasons.
1. It requires people to keep up with the technology and for most people this is not possible.
2. When people purchase a product they want something tangible to give it a feeling of worth. Data is not tangible.
I think MP3 player companies are playing us all for fools anyway not providing some sort of expandable memory slot. If they did this music companies could change over to a memory stick type format and not only could the consumer transfer music directly from the stick to the mp3 player they wouldn't even need a computer to do it. It would be so damn convienent I am amazed it hasn't be done already.
I'm a futurist, people tell me I'm wrong all the time, the only thing I'm wrong about usually is that it happens faster than I said it would. Digitial distribution will overtake physcial distribution there is absolutely no question about that, the only question is the time frame.Wow someone is a little full of themself.
I disagree with you. Keeping up with evolving technology is too expensive for digital distribution to be the norm. Yes digital distribution will grow but it will not overtake the physical distribution of media.
[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Please, God, no more disc formats! The only reason CDs were included on the PS1 and DVDs were included on the PS2 was because they were already established formats with several years of proven success. BluRay is the first "experimental" disc format to be included in a home console. The PS4, whatever they decide to call it, will not have a new disc format, especially since Sony plans to milk BluRay for at least a decade or so.chembro84DVD was not an established format in 2000. DVD sales did not top $1 billion in sales for the entire year of 2000. Compare that to now, for the year of 2005, the sales were over $16 billion. in DVD hardware sales, for the year 2000, it was under 10 million hardware units sold. for the year 2005, it was 36.7 million hardware units sold. for software shipments, for year 2000, there was only 311 million software units shipped. in 2005, there were 5.5 billion software units shipped. as you can see, back in 2000, DVD was not an established format yet. It was still just getting started. Who exactly was DVD competing with? when DVD came out there was absolutely no doubt in anyones mind that it would become the standard format within a couple of years and ESPECIALLY in 2000 when the PS2 came out, we all knew DVD was going to kill VHS. WRONG. I can't even begin to list off all the nay sayers of DVD...it would make this console war look like childs play. Thats partly the reason I laugh at people attacking Blu-ray. Eventually Blu-ray will win because of the untapped space abilities ranginging into the hundreds of gigs!
[QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="pb1285n"][QUOTE="chembro84"] Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is.jwat4
You've answered your own question. Target and Walmart are the cause of stores like Tower Record going out of business, not iTunes. Tower Record was expensive and had little to offer by the way of selection. Plus why would you want to make 5 or 6 stops while out shopping when it can all be done in the comfort of one store? Speciality stores are a thing of the passed. I don't think digital distribution will ever be the norm (if it does happen it won't be for a while) for at least 2 reasons.
1. It requires people to keep up with the technology and for most people this is not possible.
2. When people purchase a product they want something tangible to give it a feeling of worth. Data is not tangible.
I think MP3 player companies are playing us all for fools anyway not providing some sort of expandable memory slot. If they did this music companies could change over to a memory stick type format and not only could the consumer transfer music directly from the stick to the mp3 player they wouldn't even need a computer to do it. It would be so damn convienent I am amazed it hasn't be done already.
I'm a futurist, people tell me I'm wrong all the time, the only thing I'm wrong about usually is that it happens faster than I said it would. Digitial distribution will overtake physcial distribution there is absolutely no question about that, the only question is the time frame. A "futurist"...? I think the issue would be the loss of jobs...think about how many people are employed at a store like Best Buy or Circuit City...if you eliminate 3/4 of what they sell you eliminate 3/4 of the available jobs....Retail stores selling products creates jobs...I think thats the biggest problem with your digital distribution theory... Digital distribution could never take over physical distribution to the point at which there were zero physicals copies sold...the reason being...we are not communist nor socialist...everyone does not have the internet....everyone does not have a computer...everyone does not have high speed internet..There is no way to force that upon people either...there are still individuals buying VHS tapes because they dont want a DVD player... Until computers and high speed internet become incredibly, cheap such that everyone can afford one, we will have actual discs... The loss of jobs has never stopped progress before,[QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="pb1285n"][QUOTE="chembro84"] Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is.pb1285n
You've answered your own question. Target and Walmart are the cause of stores like Tower Record going out of business, not iTunes. Tower Record was expensive and had little to offer by the way of selection. Plus why would you want to make 5 or 6 stops while out shopping when it can all be done in the comfort of one store? Speciality stores are a thing of the passed. I don't think digital distribution will ever be the norm (if it does happen it won't be for a while) for at least 2 reasons.
1. It requires people to keep up with the technology and for most people this is not possible.
2. When people purchase a product they want something tangible to give it a feeling of worth. Data is not tangible.
I think MP3 player companies are playing us all for fools anyway not providing some sort of expandable memory slot. If they did this music companies could change over to a memory stick type format and not only could the consumer transfer music directly from the stick to the mp3 player they wouldn't even need a computer to do it. It would be so damn convienent I am amazed it hasn't be done already.
I'm a futurist, people tell me I'm wrong all the time, the only thing I'm wrong about usually is that it happens faster than I said it would. Digitial distribution will overtake physcial distribution there is absolutely no question about that, the only question is the time frame.Wow someone is a little full of themself.
I disagree with you. Keeping up with evolving technology is too expensive for digital distribution to be the norm. Yes digital distribution will grow but it will not overtake the physical distribution of media.
You should go work for the RIAA and MPAA, you have exactly the mindset they are looking for. You have got to be kidding me if you think that physical distribution will be here forever.[QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Please, God, no more disc formats! The only reason CDs were included on the PS1 and DVDs were included on the PS2 was because they were already established formats with several years of proven success. BluRay is the first "experimental" disc format to be included in a home console. The PS4, whatever they decide to call it, will not have a new disc format, especially since Sony plans to milk BluRay for at least a decade or so.NextGenNowDVD was not an established format in 2000. DVD sales did not top $1 billion in sales for the entire year of 2000. Compare that to now, for the year of 2005, the sales were over $16 billion. in DVD hardware sales, for the year 2000, it was under 10 million hardware units sold. for the year 2005, it was 36.7 million hardware units sold. for software shipments, for year 2000, there was only 311 million software units shipped. in 2005, there were 5.5 billion software units shipped. as you can see, back in 2000, DVD was not an established format yet. It was still just getting started. Who exactly was DVD competing with? when DVD came out there was absolutely no doubt in anyones mind that it would become the standard format within a couple of years and ESPECIALLY in 2000 when the PS2 came out, we all knew DVD was going to kill VHS. WRONG. I can't even begin to list off all the nay sayers of DVD...it would make this console war look like childs play. Thats partly the reason I laugh at people attacking Blu-ray. Eventually Blu-ray will win because of the untapped space abilities ranginging into the hundreds of gigs! Tell me one competing format to DVD that had a real chance when the PS2 came out in 2000.
[QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="pb1285n"][QUOTE="chembro84"] Look around you, are there any CD stores anymore? There used to be tons of them, now there are a couple small ones in the mall, and Target/WalMart, Tower Records is out of business, Warehouse, out of business. Yeah people still buy CDs but it will go away real soon. basically the sales have decreased enough to not support any nation-wide record stores any longer. My point about the iPod is that it shows that digital distribution is viable in the US. Look at this article http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1940513,00.html they are planning a 50% decline in 3 years, if that isn't a slaughter I don't know what is.jwat4
You've answered your own question. Target and Walmart are the cause of stores like Tower Record going out of business, not iTunes. Tower Record was expensive and had little to offer by the way of selection. Plus why would you want to make 5 or 6 stops while out shopping when it can all be done in the comfort of one store? Speciality stores are a thing of the passed. I don't think digital distribution will ever be the norm (if it does happen it won't be for a while) for at least 2 reasons.
1. It requires people to keep up with the technology and for most people this is not possible.
2. When people purchase a product they want something tangible to give it a feeling of worth. Data is not tangible.
I think MP3 player companies are playing us all for fools anyway not providing some sort of expandable memory slot. If they did this music companies could change over to a memory stick type format and not only could the consumer transfer music directly from the stick to the mp3 player they wouldn't even need a computer to do it. It would be so damn convienent I am amazed it hasn't be done already.
I'm a futurist, people tell me I'm wrong all the time, the only thing I'm wrong about usually is that it happens faster than I said it would. Digitial distribution will overtake physcial distribution there is absolutely no question about that, the only question is the time frame. A "futurist"...? I think the issue would be the loss of jobs...think about how many people are employed at a store like Best Buy or Circuit City...if you eliminate 3/4 of what they sell you eliminate 3/4 of the available jobs....Retail stores selling products creates jobs...I think thats the biggest problem with your digital distribution theory... Digital distribution could never take over physical distribution to the point at which there were zero physicals copies sold...the reason being...we are not communist nor socialist...everyone does not have the internet....everyone does not have a computer...everyone does not have high speed internet..There is no way to force that upon people either...there are still individuals buying VHS tapes because they dont want a DVD player... Until computers and high speed internet become incredibly, cheap such that everyone can afford one, we will have actual discs... Go talk to the auto industry, steel industry, record player making industry, textile industry, and ask them if progress stops because people may loose their jobs. People who buy movies, games and music and DON'T have an internet connection is such a small market that that isn't even an issue.[QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Please, God, no more disc formats! The only reason CDs were included on the PS1 and DVDs were included on the PS2 was because they were already established formats with several years of proven success. BluRay is the first "experimental" disc format to be included in a home console. The PS4, whatever they decide to call it, will not have a new disc format, especially since Sony plans to milk BluRay for at least a decade or so.NextGenNowDVD was not an established format in 2000. DVD sales did not top $1 billion in sales for the entire year of 2000. Compare that to now, for the year of 2005, the sales were over $16 billion. in DVD hardware sales, for the year 2000, it was under 10 million hardware units sold. for the year 2005, it was 36.7 million hardware units sold. for software shipments, for year 2000, there was only 311 million software units shipped. in 2005, there were 5.5 billion software units shipped. as you can see, back in 2000, DVD was not an established format yet. It was still just getting started. Who exactly was DVD competing with? when DVD came out there was absolutely no doubt in anyones mind that it would become the standard format within a couple of years and ESPECIALLY in 2000 when the PS2 came out, we all knew DVD was going to kill VHS. WRONG. I can't even begin to list off all the nay sayers of DVD...it would make this console war look like childs play. Thats partly the reason I laugh at people attacking Blu-ray. Eventually Blu-ray will win because of the untapped space abilities ranginging into the hundreds of gigs! Therein was the problem: many naysayers, but none of them willing to unite against DVD. Hence, there was no war, and no question that DVD would succeed VHS.
The loss of jobs has never stopped progress before chembro84
But where has the loss of jobs ever impeeded progress?...Usually technology helps create jobs...
 Take Best Buy for example...an entire chain of stores practically goes out of business...Circuit City...gone...EBGames gone...Gamestop gone... And the economy with it...
[QUOTE="NextGenNow"][QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Please, God, no more disc formats! The only reason CDs were included on the PS1 and DVDs were included on the PS2 was because they were already established formats with several years of proven success. BluRay is the first "experimental" disc format to be included in a home console. The PS4, whatever they decide to call it, will not have a new disc format, especially since Sony plans to milk BluRay for at least a decade or so.mjarantillaDVD was not an established format in 2000. DVD sales did not top $1 billion in sales for the entire year of 2000. Compare that to now, for the year of 2005, the sales were over $16 billion. in DVD hardware sales, for the year 2000, it was under 10 million hardware units sold. for the year 2005, it was 36.7 million hardware units sold. for software shipments, for year 2000, there was only 311 million software units shipped. in 2005, there were 5.5 billion software units shipped. as you can see, back in 2000, DVD was not an established format yet. It was still just getting started. Who exactly was DVD competing with? when DVD came out there was absolutely no doubt in anyones mind that it would become the standard format within a couple of years and ESPECIALLY in 2000 when the PS2 came out, we all knew DVD was going to kill VHS. WRONG. I can't even begin to list off all the nay sayers of DVD...it would make this console war look like childs play. Thats partly the reason I laugh at people attacking Blu-ray. Eventually Blu-ray will win because of the untapped space abilities ranginging into the hundreds of gigs! Therein was the problem: many naysayers, but none of them willing to unite against DVD. Hence, there was no war, and no question that DVD would succeed VHS. Exactly, the only people who though VHS had a chance was your Grandparents, which seems to be the mindset of many of the people on this board.
[QUOTE="chembro84"] The loss of jobs has never stopped progress before jwat4But where has the loss of jobs ever impeeded progress?... Take Best Buy for example...an entire chain of stores practically goes out of business...Circuit City...gone...EBGames gone...Gamestop gone... And the economy with it... Best Buy and Circuit City will evolve and sell the devices which rely on the digital distribtuion model. EBGames and Gamestop will go the way of Tower Records and Wharehouse Music. The economy will survive, trust me.
[QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="chembro84"] The loss of jobs has never stopped progress before chembro84But where has the loss of jobs ever impeeded progress?... Take Best Buy for example...an entire chain of stores practically goes out of business...Circuit City...gone...EBGames gone...Gamestop gone... And the economy with it... Best Buy and Circuit City will evolve and sell the devices which rely on the digital distribtuion model. EBGames and Gamestop will go the way of Tower Records and Wharehouse Music. The economy will survive, trust me. Okay Allen Greenspan... Tell me how the loss of atleast 2-3 hundred thousand jobs would improve or help maintain the stability of the economy?
[QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="chembro84"] The loss of jobs has never stopped progress before jwat4But where has the loss of jobs ever impeeded progress?... Take Best Buy for example...an entire chain of stores practically goes out of business...Circuit City...gone...EBGames gone...Gamestop gone... And the economy with it... Best Buy and Circuit City will evolve and sell the devices which rely on the digital distribtuion model. EBGames and Gamestop will go the way of Tower Records and Wharehouse Music. The economy will survive, trust me. Okay Allen Greenspan... Tell me how the loss of atleast 2-3 hundred thousand jobs would improve or help maintain the stability of the economy? It's not going to happen overnight, Best Buy may have to lay off the people who worked in the "media" section of their store, but they will also have to expand their hardware selling sections, the economy will evolve, just as it is now from the transition from a manufacturing based economy to an information/service based economy. Do you know how many more programmers there are today vs 40 years ago? How abnout millions, how many more IT professionals? Millions. How many people work in the steel industry now? Not too many. They work in other places now.
[QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="chembro84"] The loss of jobs has never stopped progress before chembro84But where has the loss of jobs ever impeeded progress?... Take Best Buy for example...an entire chain of stores practically goes out of business...Circuit City...gone...EBGames gone...Gamestop gone... And the economy with it... Best Buy and Circuit City will evolve and sell the devices which rely on the digital distribtuion model. EBGames and Gamestop will go the way of Tower Records and Wharehouse Music. The economy will survive, trust me. Okay Allen Greenspan... Tell me how the loss of atleast 2-3 hundred thousand jobs would improve or help maintain the stability of the economy? It's not going to happen overnight, Best Buy may have to lay off the people who worked in the "media" section of their store, but they will also have to expand their hardware selling sections, the economy will evolve, just as it is now from the transition from a manufacturing based economy to an information/service based economy. Do you know how many more programmers there are today vs 40 years ago? How abnout millions, how many more IT professionals? Millions. How many people work in the steel industry now? Not too many. They work in other places now. And the distribuiters that ship products to retail stores...the truckers that haul the items...many of those individuals will not be able to work in an IT environment...and really how many IT professionals do we need...the reason there are so many is because its the easiest 2 year degree to get... And the steel industry? There are atleast 1 million individuals still working in the steel industry...atleast...the United Steelworkers Union is one of the strongest in the country.... If what you assume is going to occur does infact occur I dont think it will be in my lifetime...I can see advances towards it but I cannot see it overtaking physical distribution completely...
[QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="chembro84"] The loss of jobs has never stopped progress before jwat4But where has the loss of jobs ever impeeded progress?... Take Best Buy for example...an entire chain of stores practically goes out of business...Circuit City...gone...EBGames gone...Gamestop gone... And the economy with it... Best Buy and Circuit City will evolve and sell the devices which rely on the digital distribtuion model. EBGames and Gamestop will go the way of Tower Records and Wharehouse Music. The economy will survive, trust me. Okay Allen Greenspan... Tell me how the loss of atleast 2-3 hundred thousand jobs would improve or help maintain the stability of the economy? It's not going to happen overnight, Best Buy may have to lay off the people who worked in the "media" section of their store, but they will also have to expand their hardware selling sections, the economy will evolve, just as it is now from the transition from a manufacturing based economy to an information/service based economy. Do you know how many more programmers there are today vs 40 years ago? How abnout millions, how many more IT professionals? Millions. How many people work in the steel industry now? Not too many. They work in other places now. And the distribuiters that ship products to retail stores...the truckers that haul the items...many of those individuals will not be able to work in an IT environment...and really how many IT professionals do we need...the reason there are so many is because its the easiest 2 year degree to get... And the steel industry? There are atleast 1 million individuals still working in the steel industry...atleast...the United Steelworkers Union is one of the strongest in the country.... If what you assume is going to occur does infact occur I dont think it will be in my lifetime...I can see advances towards it but I cannot see it overtaking physical distribution completely... Truckers will still have plenty of things to ship without CDs, like said technolgoy for digital distribution model, truckers are needed more today than ever because most manufactured goods come from ports on the East or the West coast and not from local manufacturers. The steel industry today is not nearly as big as it was 10 years ago. The end of physical distribution will happen faster than you'll ever imagine.
[QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="chembro84"][QUOTE="jwat4"][QUOTE="chembro84"] The loss of jobs has never stopped progress before jwat4But where has the loss of jobs ever impeeded progress?... Take Best Buy for example...an entire chain of stores practically goes out of business...Circuit City...gone...EBGames gone...Gamestop gone... And the economy with it... Best Buy and Circuit City will evolve and sell the devices which rely on the digital distribtuion model. EBGames and Gamestop will go the way of Tower Records and Wharehouse Music. The economy will survive, trust me. Okay Allen Greenspan... Tell me how the loss of atleast 2-3 hundred thousand jobs would improve or help maintain the stability of the economy? It's not going to happen overnight, Best Buy may have to lay off the people who worked in the "media" section of their store, but they will also have to expand their hardware selling sections, the economy will evolve, just as it is now from the transition from a manufacturing based economy to an information/service based economy. Do you know how many more programmers there are today vs 40 years ago? How abnout millions, how many more IT professionals? Millions. How many people work in the steel industry now? Not too many. They work in other places now. And the distribuiters that ship products to retail stores...the truckers that haul the items...many of those individuals will not be able to work in an IT environment...and really how many IT professionals do we need...the reason there are so many is because its the easiest 2 year degree to get... And the steel industry? There are atleast 1 million individuals still working in the steel industry...atleast...the United Steelworkers Union is one of the strongest in the country.... If what you assume is going to occur does infact occur I dont think it will be in my lifetime...I can see advances towards it but I cannot see it overtaking physical distribution completely... Truckers will still have plenty of things to ship without CDs, like said technolgoy for digital distribution model, truckers are needed more today than ever because most manufactured goods come from ports on the East or the West coast and not from local manufacturers. The steel industry today is not nearly as big as it was 10 years ago. The end of physical distribution will happen faster than you'll ever imagine.
i think next gen the blu-ray will be cheaper and there will be a 200g blu-ray dics. we don't need a new format yet just a bigger blu-ray. the games will be 70 dollors because by then the graphics will be so expesive to create. it will be like funding for a pixar movie.GARRYTH
200gb discs will only be computers, blu-ray movie players and the PS3 cannot read more than 2 layers, so no one is going to release media on anything more than that since no one will want to buy a new PS3 or player. We are stuck at 50gb discs forever unless some miracle happens that all players can be updated to read more.
It's like saying DVDs can do 4 layers in the future, but do you see everyone in the world buying a new dvd player that supports that? It's like switching to a whole new format again despite the name being the same, so if we need more than 50gigs in the future most likely it will be a whole new format, like holodiscs, not an upgraded blu-ray.
[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]i think next gen the blu-ray will be cheaper and there will be a 200g blu-ray dics. we don't need a new format yet just a bigger blu-ray. the games will be 70 dollors because by then the graphics will be so expesive to create. it will be like funding for a pixar movie.TimothyB
200gb discs will only be computers, blu-ray movie players and the PS3 cannot read more than 2 layers, so no one is going to release media on anything more than that since no one will want to buy a new PS3 or player. We are stuck at 50gb discs forever unless some miracle happens that all players can be updated to read more.
It's like saying DVDs can do 4 layers in the future, but do you see everyone in the world buying a new dvd player that supports that? It's like switching to a whole new format again despite the name being the same, so if we need more than 50gigs in the future most likely it will be a whole new format, like holodiscs, not an upgraded blu-ray.
you ever heard of a firmware update? obviously not.
how long did it take for the iPod to murder the CD industry?>chembro84The iPod didn't ruin the CD industry, Napster did. The only reason the iPod was such a success was because it was the first mp3 player that came out w/ an onboard storage-medium that was bundled with software to easily access what songs you want to purchase and download. Saying it ruined CDs is extremely false and CDs are still a valid force. otherwise, you wouldn't see a single one in best buy or any other electronics store.
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