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#1 mmirza23
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http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157441 personally I think they do have a point where its time to look forward to the new generation of games mainly ps3's and considering the fact that ps2's are still selling well, they could just play ps2 games on that instead of the ps3, but its also screws over certain groups of consumers (mainly europe) and if they do eventually do it here and in japan then those people also, if they were gonna do this, they should have done it for all systems including the launch ones. any thoughts?
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http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157441 personally I think they do have a point where its time to look forward to the new generation of games mainly ps3's and considering the fact that ps2's are still selling well, they could just play ps2 games on that instead of the ps3, but its also screws over certain groups of consumers (mainly europe) and if they do eventually do it here and in japan then those people also, if they were gonna do this, they should have done it for all systems including the launch ones. any thoughts?mmirza23
I like how sony has backed away from every bullet point they've touted as why they are better than 360. First the whole all games will be 1080p unlike 360, then free unified online network...now backing away from BC. Keep it up sony and the ps3 will end up like the saturn.
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#3 Charlie2688
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Dude why the hell do people complain NA and Asia have a 98% backwards compatibility and Euro will have  less what 96/95%? last time I checked Sony kept sending firmware updates increasing the backwards compatibility and they stated the same for Euro consoles

Poeple that should worry are the "other" consoles owner who have aprox of 30% backwards compatibility

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#4 Cellien
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Dude why the hell do people complain NA and Asia have a 98% backwards compatibility and Euro will have less what 96/95%? last time I checked Sony kept sending firmware updates increasing the backwards compatibility and they stated the same for Euro consoles

Poeple that should worry are the "other" consoles owner who have aprox of 30% backwards compatibility

Charlie2688
Way to spin the news lol..
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http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157441 personally I think they do have a point where its time to look forward to the new generation of games mainly ps3's and considering the fact that ps2's are still selling well, they could just play ps2 games on that instead of the ps3, but its also screws over certain groups of consumers (mainly europe) and if they do eventually do it here and in japan then those people also, if they were gonna do this, they should have done it for all systems including the launch ones. any thoughts?mmirza23
european ps3 can play ps2 and ps1 games. iv pre-ordered my euro 1. i live in UK
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#6 rickspin
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First of all there IS backward compatibility (i don't see why the subject). Second of all we've got to wait till it's released and see how big the problem really is. I agree it's an issue but a really big one only if games such as MGS, God Of War, GTA, etc don't work. We HAVE to wait and see.....
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#7 mmirza23
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First of all there IS backward compatibility (i don't see why the subject). Second of all we've got to wait till it's released and see how big the problem really is. I agree it's an issue but a really big one only if games such as MGS, God Of War, GTA, etc don't work. We HAVE to wait and see.....rickspin

lol well yeah thats why I had a question mark in the subject, not sure as to how good its gonna be, as our's is.

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#8 ajefferism
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Right now I own a NA PS3 and I love it, but when I heard this I was shocked.   BC was one of the best selling features of the PS3 and a BIG reason why I got one.  BC also helps to ensure Playstation brand loyalty.  

And while a list of supported european games for PS2 isn't available yet, if the software emulation is anything like the 360s, it can't be too good.  They say its for cost reduction purposes, yet Europeans pay a few hundred more per PS3 than both USA and Japan anyway.  There has been no announced price change in Europe either.   I don't know why they did this.... but I am glad I already bought my NA PS3, hopefully they wont make a change to the hardware over here too. 
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[QUOTE="Charlie2688"]

Dude why the hell do people complain NA and Asia have a 98% backwards compatibility and Euro will have less what 96/95%? last time I checked Sony kept sending firmware updates increasing the backwards compatibility and they stated the same for Euro consoles

Poeple that should worry are the "other" consoles owner who have aprox of 30% backwards compatibility

Cellien
Way to spin the news lol..

ok, so tell us how many games will not be playable in Europe? don't know? then how do you know he is wrong?
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Right now I own a NA PS3 and I love it, but when I heard this I was shocked.   BC was one of the best selling features of the PS3 and a BIG reason why I got one.  BC also helps to ensure Playstation brand loyalty.  

And while a list of supported european games for PS2 isn't available yet, if the software emulation is anything like the 360s, it can't be too good.  They say its for cost reduction purposes, yet Europeans pay a few hundred more per PS3 than both USA and Japan anyway.  There has been no announced price change in Europe either.   I don't know why they did this.... but I am glad I already bought my NA PS3, hopefully they wont make a change to the hardware over here too. ajefferism
you cannot compare the prices from different countries. Standard currency conversions don't apply.
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#11 Cellien
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[QUOTE="Cellien"][QUOTE="Charlie2688"]

Dude why the hell do people complain NA and Asia have a 98% backwards compatibility and Euro will have less what 96/95%? last time I checked Sony kept sending firmware updates increasing the backwards compatibility and they stated the same for Euro consoles

Poeple that should worry are the "other" consoles owner who have aprox of 30% backwards compatibility

eclipsed4utoo
Way to spin the news lol..

ok, so tell us how many games will not be playable in Europe? don't know? then how do you know he is wrong?

You obviously don't know what it is to spin the news.. Means, he is turning bad news (getting less for your money with the PS3 now even tho its the same price and less compatibility with PS2 games) into good news that Sony is on top of things. Let me ask you this.. would you rather a PS3 that the N. Americans have or the European PS3?
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#12 sLim901
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good thing i dont live in europe
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#13 sxs_alex
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it would be more convenient for people to play ps2 games on the ps3. that way they don't have to go out and buy a lastgen system if they don't already own one. it saves money and makes room for the living room and home entertainment. there are lots of ps2 games that aren't on ps3. if the developers were to focus on lets say enhancing the graphics and porting them over to ps3 such as god of war 2 then that will make europe very happy. now that i got my ps3 in NA i can now give away my ps2 system.
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#15 eclipsed4utoo
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[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="Cellien"][QUOTE="Charlie2688"]

Dude why the hell do people complain NA and Asia have a 98% backwards compatibility and Euro will have less what 96/95%? last time I checked Sony kept sending firmware updates increasing the backwards compatibility and they stated the same for Euro consoles

Poeple that should worry are the "other" consoles owner who have aprox of 30% backwards compatibility

Cellien
Way to spin the news lol..

ok, so tell us how many games will not be playable in Europe? don't know? then how do you know he is wrong?

You obviously don't know what it is to spin the news.. Means, he is turning bad news (getting less for your money with the PS3 now even tho its the same price and less compatibility with PS2 games) into good news that Sony is on top of things. Let me ask you this.. would you rather a PS3 that the N. Americans have or the European PS3?

considering that the Euro PS3's could have the 65nm CELL processor in it, I would choose that one after a recent report showed the huge amount of power that the PS3 consumes. To me, the BC issue doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I know that Sony is going to look at the big franchises to make sure they work. IBM even stated last year that Sony's software emulation was covering most of the games in one fell swoop. So in my opinion, all this hoopla is going to be for nothing. but that's just my opinion. If I lived in Europe, I would be first in-line to buy a PS3...mainly because of their 30 launch titles.
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I don't see this as a problem at all if they can drop $100 on both SKUs.   I wouldn't even pay $50 for the BC that came with my PS3.  I gave up my PS2 and my PS2 games.  As long as they support God of War III and Final Fantasy XII then it's fine.
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#17 Maverick128
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Wow. That "writer" is an ass. Completely biased. So, Sony does what they had always said they would do, Eventually get rid of the PS2 chip and switch to all software emulation, and out come the pessimists, xbots, and wiitards. It's software emulation, they can update it as time goes on. This is just a step towards eventually becoming profitable and/or lowering the price for others. As far as the "writer's" comment of "Based on experience with Microsoft's updates, however, this announcement says backwards compatibility will be forgotten a year from now," Sony is NOT Microsoft. They don't create a new console and dump their previous users in the crapper.
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[QUOTE="mmirza23"]http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157441 personally I think they do have a point where its time to look forward to the new generation of games mainly ps3's and considering the fact that ps2's are still selling well, they could just play ps2 games on that instead of the ps3, but its also screws over certain groups of consumers (mainly europe) and if they do eventually do it here and in japan then those people also, if they were gonna do this, they should have done it for all systems including the launch ones. any thoughts?Master__Shake
I like how sony has backed away from every bullet point they've touted as why they are better than 360. First the whole all games will be 1080p unlike 360, then free unified online network...now backing away from BC. Keep it up sony and the ps3 will end up like the saturn.

all games will eventually more into 1080P , atleast the games that woudl benefit from it, the developers need more time to do this, its not sony fualt. Sony has given them the tool that can output next gen game,s tis up to the developers to know how to do it. also about backwards compatability, i dotn really care if it cant play any playstation one games, hell i dotn care to much about ps2 games. Its obvios the Ps3 will eb able to play the PS2 games that matter, does it really need to be able to play bass fishing?
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Not all is not equal to no more.  WOW. It's not hard to read but it is that hard to comprehend something?

Way to spin the news to make it worse.

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#20 ogie_s
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The press release doesn't state that Sony is abandoning BC OR even that they are going all software OR that they are telling people to "just buy a PS2". This seems more like Sony just modulating expectations after everyone criticized them for promising "total backwards compatibility" when it was really "only" 98%. More likely Sony will still have excellent BC but there may be some inevitable glitches that crop up with the adoption of a new emulation method.

It's funny that I've been watching the media and forum criticisms of Sony saying they suck for promising the world and not delivering. Over and over again Sony is ragged on and told to be "less arrogant" and "make fewer promises they can't deliver." Now that Sony actually makes a press release that lowers peoples expectations again everyone pounces like starved lions on a sick elephant. It seems Sony can't do anything right in the eyes of the world.

I think everyone should take a deep breath, have some patience and see how things ACTUALLY TURN OUT before b*tching about everything. If the BC is crap we'll have plenty of time to crucify Sony later on.

I seem to recall the same thing happened with the anti-aliasing glitch for the NA systems. Everyone was whining about it, saying so much crap about how it was unfixable and how Sony messed up big time. That got fixed right? So how about we learn from that and wait for objective data before we start spreading crap around like drug-snorting bipolar monkeys.