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#1 masterchef1000
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In gamespot news, the develper said that they'll be cacheing gbs of hard drive to lower loading times. how will 20 gb owners get through this though?

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#2 ZeLeam
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In gamespot news, the develper said that they'll be cacheing gbs of hard drive to lower loading times. how will 20 gb owners get through this though?

masterchef1000
I doubt it's more than 3 or 4gb.
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#3 masterchef1000
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still is alot for 20 gb owners
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#4 kjenkins24
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it was done for the 360 also
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#5 emitsu97
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You could always delete it.  It's a beneficial feature but unnecessary.  It's hardly a negative.
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#6 davez82
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OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
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#7 perfect-dank-0
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20gs is a lot of space if you delete videos and stuff after watching them.

I rarely keep vids or music on my 360 harddrive.

Also if your not into rpgs then rent oblivion before buying. I regretted buying this game on 360 because I found it very boring. Great graphics tho. It will likely have the best graphics on ps3 when it is released

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#8 needlesmcgirk
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I guess that was something to think about when you got the 20 gig version. If you feel like you don't have enough space, delete some other files or get a new hard drive. What's the big deal? Can you not figure this out?
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#9 masterchef1000
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OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
davez82
i'm not a troll. i only own a ps3, ps2, and comp.. check my collecion. i have been fighting for ps3 in system wars a lot. anyways, i know oblivion is better for ps3, but worry about running out of space
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#10 washimul
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it was done for the 360 alsokjenkins24

the 360 version was compressed..............thx to BLUE RAY the uncompressed game is possible on ps3.............which saves loading times + extra disk space can hold large complex textures.
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#11 washimul
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[QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
masterchef1000
i'm not a troll. i only own a ps3, ps2, and comp.. check my collecion. i have been fighting for ps3 in system wars a lot. anyways, i know oblivion is better for ps3, but worry about running out of space



OBLIVION for ps3 is already being optimized for CELL. according to IGN the ps3 version looks even better than the high end pc version. X360 would get graphical upgrade according to 1up...........but still its version wd still be the worst looking.

if BETHESDA uses the 50 gig BD disk they can make ps3 version 100x better than x360's .....BD allows you to store large /complex and detailed textures.
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OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
davez82

It's funny that you said that because the game isn't even gold on ps3 yet so how do you know it is better.

Dont give me gbs this and mbs that just wait until the game is released and see for yourself. Even though I can see you are clearly biased alread.

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#13 BadSmerf
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Thats why you can upgrade your HD. I think its a good idea. Plus, the 20GB version is less of a system anyway.
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[QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
masterchef1000
i'm not a troll. i only own a ps3, ps2, and comp.. check my collecion. i have been fighting for ps3 in system wars a lot. anyways, i know oblivion is better for ps3, but worry about running out of space



well like i said its only a couple gb like 3-4.. im pretty sure u have that much.. in the rare case you have oblivion.. rr7.. full auto2 ... gundam .. all on the same harddrive ok then maybe youll be in trouble and will probaby need to delete one. but yah u can always upgrade the hd if u feel like it.
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#15 washimul
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OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
davez82


RR7 ran at 1080p at 60fps.............no x360 game can achieve that feat in the entire lifespan of x360.
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#16 washimul
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[QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
perfect-dank-0

It's funny that you said that because the game isn't even gold on ps3 yet so how do you know it is better.

Dont give me gbs this and mbs that just wait until the game is released and see for yourself. Even though I can see you are clearly biased alread.


check www.ign.com

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/762/762108p1.html

the final ps3 version of OBLIVION would be immaculate..............even better than the IGN's build
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[QUOTE="masterchef1000"][QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
washimul
i'm not a troll. i only own a ps3, ps2, and comp.. check my collecion. i have been fighting for ps3 in system wars a lot. anyways, i know oblivion is better for ps3, but worry about running out of space



OBLIVION for ps3 is already being optimized for CELL. according to IGN the ps3 version looks even better than the high end pc version. X360 would get graphical upgrade according to 1up...........but still its version wd still be the worst looking.

if BETHESDA uses the 50 gig BD disk they can make ps3 version 100x better than x360's .....BD allows you to store large /complex and detailed textures.

I doubt any game for ps3 will be 100xs better than a game for 360. I doubt ps4 games will even be 100x better. You will see graphical improvments on all systems over the next few years. But nothing that is 100x better than what we are seeing now. maybe 2x as good within the next four years would be a more realistic statement.

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#18 SpYdEr124
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If its cached data it doesn't stay on your HDD. Correct me if I'm wrong...I might be.
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#19 jdang307
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[QUOTE="washimul"][QUOTE="masterchef1000"][QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
perfect-dank-0

i'm not a troll. i only own a ps3, ps2, and comp.. check my collecion. i have been fighting for ps3 in system wars a lot. anyways, i know oblivion is better for ps3, but worry about running out of space



OBLIVION for ps3 is already being optimized for CELL. according to IGN the ps3 version looks even better than the high end pc version. X360 would get graphical upgrade according to 1up...........but still its version wd still be the worst looking.

if BETHESDA uses the 50 gig BD disk they can make ps3 version 100x better than x360's .....BD allows you to store large /complex and detailed textures.

I doubt any game for ps3 will be 100xs better than a game for 360. I doubt ps4 games will even be 100x better. You will see graphical improvments on all systems over the next few years. But nothing that is 100x better than what we are seeing now. maybe 2x as good within the next four years would be a more realistic statement.

I think he was embellishing a bit for effect, I don't think it was meant to be taken literally.
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#20 washimul
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[QUOTE="washimul"][QUOTE="masterchef1000"][QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
perfect-dank-0

i'm not a troll. i only own a ps3, ps2, and comp.. check my collecion. i have been fighting for ps3 in system wars a lot. anyways, i know oblivion is better for ps3, but worry about running out of space



OBLIVION for ps3 is already being optimized for CELL. according to IGN the ps3 version looks even better than the high end pc version. X360 would get graphical upgrade according to 1up...........but still its version wd still be the worst looking.

if BETHESDA uses the 50 gig BD disk they can make ps3 version 100x better than x360's .....BD allows you to store large /complex and detailed textures.

I doubt any game for ps3 will be 100xs better than a game for 360. I doubt ps4 games will even be 100x better. You will see graphical improvments on all systems over the next few years. But nothing that is 100x better than what we are seeing now. maybe 2x as good within the next four years would be a more realistic statement.


have you been recently following the news on CELL???

the researchers at UI found CELL to be 50x more powerful than the most powerful INTEL CORE 2 DUO.
Just because of the unavailability of proper compilers..........the ps3 games are looking on par with x360 games........However that wd change within some months or so.

PS 3 was supposed to contain 4 CELLs initially........dont worry PS4 would be atleast 100x better than ps3 making it 500x better than x360
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#21 zhuojloh
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it might be just a small cache. who knows what's the size of the cache.
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[QUOTE="washimul"][QUOTE="masterchef1000"][QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
perfect-dank-0

i'm not a troll. i only own a ps3, ps2, and comp.. check my collecion. i have been fighting for ps3 in system wars a lot. anyways, i know oblivion is better for ps3, but worry about running out of space



OBLIVION for ps3 is already being optimized for CELL. according to IGN the ps3 version looks even better than the high end pc version. X360 would get graphical upgrade according to 1up...........but still its version wd still be the worst looking.

if BETHESDA uses the 50 gig BD disk they can make ps3 version 100x better than x360's .....BD allows you to store large /complex and detailed textures.

I doubt any game for ps3 will be 100xs better than a game for 360. I doubt ps4 games will even be 100x better. You will see graphical improvments on all systems over the next few years. But nothing that is 100x better than what we are seeing now. maybe 2x as good within the next four years would be a more realistic statement.

To the first dude...thats the dumbest thing I've heard, just because the Blu-Ray can hold huge textures and file doesn't mean the PS3 can display them without loosing significant fps. That goes for the 360s hd-dvd too. There is no way the same game running on the same engine on fairly equal hardware (were not talking about a PS3 and PSOne in comparison here) will ever run and look 100x better.
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#23 davez82
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[QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
perfect-dank-0

It's funny that you said that because the game isn't even gold on ps3 yet so how do you know it is better.

Dont give me gbs this and mbs that just wait until the game is released and see for yourself. Even though I can see you are clearly biased alread.



LOL.. well if bieng a ps3 troll in the ps3 forums is against the rules then u can report me.. any how im gona refrain from feeding you
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If its cached data it doesn't stay on your HDD. Correct me if I'm wrong...I might be.SpYdEr124
i think your write
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[QUOTE="SpYdEr124"]If its cached data it doesn't stay on your HDD. Correct me if I'm wrong...I might be.demonik_360
i think your write

*right*
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#26 washimul
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[QUOTE="perfect-dank-0"]

[QUOTE="washimul"][QUOTE="masterchef1000"][QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
jdang307

i'm not a troll. i only own a ps3, ps2, and comp.. check my collecion. i have been fighting for ps3 in system wars a lot. anyways, i know oblivion is better for ps3, but worry about running out of space



OBLIVION for ps3 is already being optimized for CELL. according to IGN the ps3 version looks even better than the high end pc version. X360 would get graphical upgrade according to 1up...........but still its version wd still be the worst looking.

if BETHESDA uses the 50 gig BD disk they can make ps3 version 100x better than x360's .....BD allows you to store large /complex and detailed textures.

I doubt any game for ps3 will be 100xs better than a game for 360. I doubt ps4 games will even be 100x better. You will see graphical improvments on all systems over the next few years. But nothing that is 100x better than what we are seeing now. maybe 2x as good within the next four years would be a more realistic statement.

I think he was embellishing a bit for effect, I don't think it was meant to be taken literally.



with RAPIDMIND's new SDK 4x is more accurate..........provided UI/MIT fails to release compilers for PS3..
BETHESDA clearly said that they were not pushing the ps3 hardware and they had no intention of improving the graphics on the ps3 version.........it is just the newly released ps3 SDK which is doing the magic............................but dont worry u wd see massive differences come 2008................or even at the end of 2007
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[QUOTE="SpYdEr124"]If its cached data it doesn't stay on your HDD. Correct me if I'm wrong...I might be.demonik_360
i think your write

I love when that happens.... :)
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#28 washimul
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[QUOTE="perfect-dank-0"]

[QUOTE="washimul"][QUOTE="masterchef1000"][QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
SpYdEr124

i'm not a troll. i only own a ps3, ps2, and comp.. check my collecion. i have been fighting for ps3 in system wars a lot. anyways, i know oblivion is better for ps3, but worry about running out of space



OBLIVION for ps3 is already being optimized for CELL. according to IGN the ps3 version looks even better than the high end pc version. X360 would get graphical upgrade according to 1up...........but still its version wd still be the worst looking.

if BETHESDA uses the 50 gig BD disk they can make ps3 version 100x better than x360's .....BD allows you to store large /complex and detailed textures.

I doubt any game for ps3 will be 100xs better than a game for 360. I doubt ps4 games will even be 100x better. You will see graphical improvments on all systems over the next few years. But nothing that is 100x better than what we are seeing now. maybe 2x as good within the next four years would be a more realistic statement.

To the first dude...thats the dumbest thing I've heard, just because the Blu-Ray can hold huge textures and file doesn't mean the PS3 can display them without loosing significant fps. That goes for the 360s hd-dvd too. There is no way the same game running on the same engine on fairly equal hardware (were not talking about a PS3 and PSOne in comparison here) will ever run and look 100x better.


again man u havent been following anything lately......................

atleast know something before posting.
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/u_of_i/2007/02/04/ibm_taps_local_researchers_to_turn_playstation_3_chip_to_science

UI researchers are working on turning the state-of-art computer chip at the heart of the new PlayStation into the kind of high-performance supercomputer demanded by today's science at all scales.

Cell also offers an advantage in faster and more direct control over the movement of data to keep those processors constantly busy, said Kale and Snir. In theory, a bunch of Cell processors clustered together could yield 50 times the peak performance of the same-sized regular PC cluster. Like PC chips, Cell, intended for a $500 game machine, is relatively cheap as well, offering a potentially impressive price-performance ratio.
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#29 washimul
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FAIRLY EQUAL?????????????????????????////

ps3 is a minimum of 3x as powerful as x360...............the only bottleneck is the SDK......however the margin would exceed 10x in the entire lifespan of ps3.

with UI /MIT /RAPIDMIND  initiatives that cd be within a year or 2.
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#30 masterchef1000
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it might be just a small cache. who knows what's the size of the cache.zhuojloh
i doubt it though. in the article it said that they would be "Taking advantage". i interpret that as taking advantage of most ps3 owners owning a 60 gb ps3
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#31 washimul
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ps3 has an LI cache of 512 k + 256k for each SPE
agregate cache==2+ mb

x360 has 1mb cache.

more cache == memory buffering/ more direct mapping /more indirect mapping /less slot collission /less latency penalty...

+ XDR === extreme data loading and unloading in ps3=== better resolution/better framerates .......finer textures, more polygons per screen
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#32 TheSystemLord1
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ps3 has an LI cache of 512 k + 256k for each SPE
agregate cache==2+ mb

x360 has 1mb cache.

more cache == memory buffering/ more direct mapping /more indirect mapping /less slot collission /less latency penalty...

+ XDR === extreme data loading and unloading in ps3=== better resolution/better framerates .......finer textures, more polygons per screen
washimul


Perhaps we should head over to Neogaf and see what Stevemeister thinks about all the "facts" you are throwing around eh?

As he has already laughed at these statements by Sony reps bragging about the PS3's power....

To quote one of the more memorable ones, in response to the report that only 20% of the PS3's power has been utilized..."Yea, 20% of its power but 100% of its RAM."

Fanboys...

That said, Oblivion PS3 could look very nice I'm sure.  I expect Bethesda to rework the graphics in exchange for leaving out DL content.  Its not QUITE good enough of a trade-off, but its pretty much the best they can do.
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#33 Cali3350
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ps3 has an LI cache of 512 k + 256k for each SPE
agregate cache==2+ mb

x360 has 1mb cache.

more cache == memory buffering/ more direct mapping /more indirect mapping /less slot collission /less latency penalty...

+ XDR === extreme data loading and unloading in ps3=== better resolution/better framerates .......finer textures, more polygons per screen
washimul
Ugh...im really not gonna take the time to explain all this to you, as you appear to lack even a basic understanding and explaining everything would take far too long.  Please tell me how the PS3 version of Oblivion will have better looking textures when AT BEST it only has 256mb of texture ram to work with?  Please dont mention cell or Blu-ray here, they have nothing to do with texture compression.
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OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
davez82
dude hes nto a troll, hes just worried about the space bein takein up, and yes 4 is alot for a 20 gb owner espeically one playin more then one game at a time
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#35 Hotwad
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OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
davez82

dude hes so not a troll...i love how that anyone has anythign negative at all, even in the slightest bit, be it it honest or even irrelevant, someone has to spout out troll...its becoming a useless term.

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#36 Christian399
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The RSX also has access to the 256M XDR Ram, should it need it, for a total of 512M.  (Well, some is reserved for OS and whatnot, but still it has access to more memory than just the 256M)
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[QUOTE="davez82"]OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
-DirtySanchez-
dude hes nto a troll, hes just worried about the space bein takein up, and yes 4 is alot for a 20 gb owner espeically one playin more then one game at a time

thank you dirtysanchez and hotwad. i have a 60 gb but still want to fill it with demos, movies, ect. which is hard if every game i buy will take up gigs of space
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#38 emitsu97
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If you wanna pack rat enough non-essential stuff on your 60GB to have concerns about space then you're going to have to consider obtaining more space, be it in the form of an internal HDD, external HDD, or some memory sticks/cards. From the sounds of things you're going to hit the limit wether the games are cached or not. Excercise discretion with downloads and you'll have no problem making the most of your 60GB.
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#39 dayday6
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Whether it is stored or not, why could you not just delete the files after the game? Isn't the game save data different?

Cached data is not needed when the game is not being played, but you save location is needed, that file would be very small.

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#40 MERC_RECONN
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OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
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lol

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#41 masterchef1000
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If you wanna pack rat enough non-essential stuff on your 60GB to have concerns about space then you're going to have to consider obtaining more space, be it in the form of an internal HDD, external HDD, or some memory sticks/cards. From the sounds of things you're going to hit the limit wether the games are cached or not. Excercise discretion with downloads and you'll have no problem making the most of your 60GB.emitsu97
Thanks, but maybe I exaggerated. I'm not gonna put 1 million movies on it, just a couple
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#42 emitsu97
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[QUOTE="emitsu97"]If you wanna pack rat enough non-essential stuff on your 60GB to have concerns about space then you're going to have to consider obtaining more space, be it in the form of an internal HDD, external HDD, or some memory sticks/cards. From the sounds of things you're going to hit the limit wether the games are cached or not. Excercise discretion with downloads and you'll have no problem making the most of your 60GB.masterchef1000
Thanks, but maybe I exaggerated. I'm not gonna put 1 million movies on it, just a couple


I have almost all of the demos available, almost all of the previews available (1080p), 3 small clips from my Christmas vacation, 400 images from my Christmas Vacation, and a CD or 3 ripped as well as 4 PS3 games and their data, and 3 PS2 titles and space isn't much of an issue.
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#43 -L-U-I-S-
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You dont HAVE to install it on the HDD as far as I know.  The hands-on IGN had with Oblivion did say that the game was optimized for PS3 hardware and runs faster and has faster loading times and doesnt say anything about installing it to the HDD
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#44 hazuki
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Igns preview already said because of the cell and the larger size disc, the games loading times and frame rates will be better. Though because the systems ram is so stict on what it can support, extra content like mehrunes razor probably won't make it onto the system. For people that only want oblivion without all the extra stuff, runs a bit better, theres nothing wrong with the ps3 version.

*Oh and unlike the 360, the ps3 can use any 2.5 inch hard drive. The 360 uses a 20gig hard drive anyways. I don't see what the whole big deal is. Just leave about 5 gigs free on the hard drive at all times and you'd be fine. Thats not asking too much*
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#45 onemic
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the extra data isn't on the PS3 HDD, but on the blu-ray disc, so you don't have to worry about installing anything onto to your HDD.
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#46 scja25
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wow, this is an old topic lol
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#47 shroom76
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i foudn teh load times very informative and helpful.

and they werent frequent

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#48 scja25
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LMAO, dude you think the TC is going to read that?? this is from 2007 read the first posts date
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#49 hazelnutman
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OMG.. troll post .. also i think 20 gb > 3-4 gb wouldnt u think... rr7 uses 4 gb.. gundam uses 4 gb..

stop the damage control.. oblivion for ps3 is just better
davez82

wow... acuses of troll because of the Master Chief thing methinks.

What has the world come to?

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#50 ianuilliam
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wow, this is an old topic lolscja25

Why would you bump a thread that hasn't been touched in 14 months?