(poll)is martyrdom noob?

God! martydom has got to be the most annoying thing ever! It either steals your kill or avenges the players death. Whats more annoying is when someone gets killed with martyrdom and you obliviously walk over the body! that annoys me more than you teammate with it in hardcore...

Am i right, is it the most annoying thing in the online of COD4?

hopefully enough people will see this and realize the nooby-ness of it.

VOTE #1 for martyrdom = noob!

EDIT** ok even though i still think it is noob, a lot of people think that it isnt. so, who would agree that a vast majority of the noob population (red + yellow badge) use martyrdom?

ps sorry to people with those badges.

i had jugganaught in but i took it out because then i would have to devise a way to please all people in the poll.FatChuwawa

[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]i had jugganaught in but i took it out because then i would have to devise a way to please all people in the poll.americahellyeah

omg i just remembered the other day, the n00b had 3x frag + martyrdom. firstly he spammed all 3 grenades then i killed him and got killed by his martyrdom :( :evil:

Solution? Don't walk next to corpses??? If you keep getting killed by it, maybe you should think about not running over the person you killed, JUST IN CASE they have it on.

Not thinking about that is more n00b than Martyrdom itself.

There's talk about new modes with a one called barbones TDM. You can't use any perks or kill streak rewards.

Source.

Solution? Don't walk next to corpses??? If you keep getting killed by it, maybe you should think about not running over the person you killed, JUST IN CASE they have it on.

Not thinking about that is more n00b than Martyrdom itself.

Foffity

sometimes you cant help it like you in a spontanious firefight with few of your guys and some enemies, you might have 3 grenade icons on your screen. or if you are low on heath (throbbing red) and you get out of range but it kills you anyway.

There's talk about new modes with a one called barbones TDM. You can't use any perks or kill streak rewards.

Source.

janti_hakouz

id play that for sure.

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Solution? Don't walk next to corpses??? If you keep getting killed by it, maybe you should think about not running over the person you killed, JUST IN CASE they have it on.

Not thinking about that is more n00b than Martyrdom itself.

FatChuwawa

sometimes you cant help it like you in a spontanious firefight with few of your guys and some enemies, you might have 3 grenade icons on your screen. or if you are low on heath (throbbing red) and you get out of range but it kills you anyway.

this is true but that happens. I used to use martydom for the challanges and it does get you many kills.

the only time its a problem for me is when I stab someone from behind, if they are sniping so there is a wall infront of them you must turn around and run. thats not easy.

...or if you are low on heath (throbbing red) and you get out of range but it kills you anyway.

FatChuwawa

That's the most annoying part. You are running for cover to get your health back, and then you notice a grenade icon comes out of nowhere.

I've played this plenty of times I still use it. I could careless what people think or call me/others noobs. Not my fault you run over my body, should be smarter next time.

I don't play this game anymore, so just thought I would let you know.

It's like GTA, people get mad when we use the choppers to kill them just by clipping them with the blades. In the lobby they say it's cheap, but if it's in the game it's not cheap. Learn how to dodge it or shoot it down.

[QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]i had jugganaught in but i took it out because then i would have to devise a way to please all people in the poll.americahellyeah

I never use martrydom but if someone manages to get kills from it then their noob tactics are working out for them. People who have put in a lot of hours in this game shouldn't be killed from martrydom most of the time. Its only noobs that run over a body straight after killing someone. I agree that people in hardcore TDM shouldn't have martrydom then fight beside there own team members.

The noob tube has it uses. I use the noob tube when there is multiple people to be taken out. I hate when you see people walking around with the noob tube out just to kill one person.

Most people use stopping power but dont like people using the perk that balances it off juggernaut.

All perks has tactical advantages and disadvantages. If you use Maryrdom then you can't kill people with deep impact etc

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]i had jugganaught in but i took it out because then i would have to devise a way to please all people in the poll.campbell1874

I never use martrydom but if someone manages to get kills from it then their noob tactics are working out for them. People who have put in a lot of hours in this game shouldn't be killed from martrydom most of the time. Its only noobs that run over a body straight after killing someone. I agree that people in hardcore TDM shouldn't have martrydom then fight beside there own team members.

The noob tube has it uses. I use the noob tube when there is multiple people to be taken out. I hate when you see people walking around with the noob tube out just to kill one person.

Most people use stopping power but dont like people using the perk that balances it off juggernaut.

All perks has tactical advantages and disadvantages. If you use Maryrdom then you can't kill people with deep impact etc

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"]i had jugganaught in but i took it out because then i would have to devise a way to please all people in the poll.campbell1874

I never use martrydom but if someone manages to get kills from it then their noob tactics are working out for them. People who have put in a lot of hours in this game shouldn't be killed from martrydom most of the time. Its only noobs that run over a body straight after killing someone. I agree that people in hardcore TDM shouldn't have martrydom then fight beside there own team members.

The noob tube has it uses. I use the noob tube when there is multiple people to be taken out. I hate when you see people walking around with the noob tube out just to kill one person.

Most people use stopping power but dont like people using the perk that balances it off juggernaut.

All perks has tactical advantages and disadvantages. If you use Maryrdom then you can't kill people with deep impact etc

i dont think the noobtube is as bad. but if you read in the first post, i usually run away, the only time i go over bodies is if im already moving in that direction. i run away all the time only to get caught on the edge of the blast radius. i also think the martyrdom grenade has a shorter fuse blowing in 2-3 seconds rather than 5

I agree its a pretty lame perk, its easy to say that you just have to stop to not get hit by it but at some points you find yourself in a position where you can only but go over a guys corpse or/and cant get out of its range fast enought, many a time i've killed a guy in a corridor then was chased by other hostiles on to the corpse, or found myself stabing a sniper in a small, closed area and not having time to run away.

I'm not really for the removal of features, so maybe if we could just get an extra icon show when we shoot a guy who has it (like we do with that health thing) or even a weaker grenade drop would balance it out...

If you're worried about martyrdom, don't run over bodies. It's pretty simple. The only time it's hard to avoid is when you're in closed in areas. I love martyrdom. Stops corpse humping, stops more suicidal type straight at you type gameplay.

I'm not worried about being called a noob about it. Because you get called a noob for every other kill you get in general. Be it the weapon you killed someone with. Or you shot someone who was re loading. Or shot someone from behind. Or shot someone going up stairs. Or camping with a sniper. Or anything else.

Yes its a problem wit noobs but martydrome is a very good perk... what ppl should blame it on is IW's lack of a good nade indicator... if you do slightly still see it on your screen you either die or barely stay alive. Its also a big problem for me... i dont live in the US and am pretty far away from any real places where there would b alot of gamers (Woot dubai!) so there always is abit of lag... i just upgraded my internet but it doesnt make that bigger difference.... thru this i could get away from the nade (the indicator would b gone) but according to the game (wit the lag) i'm still in range... I dont really want it to b gone... it would b easier if the nade inicator was better! Hopefully it'll b abit more accurate!

Definitely noob, I hate it. And don't give the whole 'Don't run over dead bodies!' crap, because it ruins the game. Games are much more fluid when people don't use it, there's no stop and start gameplay due to having to make sure people aren't leaving you a grenade suprise when they die.

How can it not be noob, it requires you to die for you to have a chance of killing somebody else! Perks should only enhance you, not suddenly give you an edge against everyone else. If you kill someone, you shouldn't have the risk of becoming dead yourself.

Seriously complaining about martyrdom? If your a rookie and just started playing then yes you can complain about it, if you have more than 1 day of game time on the online you have no excuse for getting killed by it, i hardly ever get killed by it, because when you see a nade icon you RUN.

btw, if you say martrydom is "noobish" then every other perk in the game is noobish too, so is the m16, the p90, the m60, everything is now classified as "noobish" if it kills people because they aren't good enough to counteract it.

Solution? Don't walk next to corpses??? If you keep getting killed by it, maybe you should think about not running over the person you killed, JUST IN CASE they have it on.

Not thinking about that is more n00b than Martyrdom itself.

Foffity

Seriously complaining about martyrdom? If your a rookie and just started playing then yes you can complain about it, if you have more than 1 day of game time on the online you have no excuse for getting killed by it, i hardly ever get killed by it, because when you see a nade icon you RUN.

btw, if you say martrydom is "noobish" then every other perk in the game is noobish too, so is the m16, the p90, the m60, everything is now classified as "noobish" if it kills people because they aren't good enough to counteract it.

bigburd

The difference is, is that you are required to die for the perk to come into effect. Someone with skill shouldn't be thinking about what happens when they die, because they should know how not to, and therefore it only has use for the rookie, or 'noob'. You should be focusing on killing the opposition, not what effect you will have by dying. People who struggle to get kills, and die frequently are the ones who normally use the perk, meaning it is a 'noob' perk, and should be taken from the game.

Its obvious enough, *clink* *clink* grenade warning sign* noob if you get caught outSteve_ps

Point and case. There is a warning before it blows. Plus you can throw it away from you to have a chance to survive or kill a mob or groups of enemies that chasing you.

No, it's not noob. If you don't have the skill to get away from the grenade then your the noob.Liquid-Prince

what i wanted to say

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Seriously complaining about martyrdom? If your a rookie and just started playing then yes you can complain about it, if you have more than 1 day of game time on the online you have no excuse for getting killed by it, i hardly ever get killed by it, because when you see a nade icon you RUN.

btw, if you say martrydom is "noobish" then every other perk in the game is noobish too, so is the m16, the p90, the m60, everything is now classified as "noobish" if it kills people because they aren't good enough to counteract it.

SamcottsPSWii60

The difference is, is that you are required to die for the perk to come into effect. Someone with skill shouldn't be thinking about what happens when they die, because they should know how not to, and therefore it only has use for the rookie, or 'noob'. You should be focusing on killing the opposition, not what effect you will have by dying. People who struggle to get kills, and die frequently are the ones who normally use the perk, meaning it is a 'noob' perk, and should be taken from the game.

That is wrong about only noobs and people struggling to get kills. I used it for an insurance policy to whenever I unexpectingly run into a group of peoples and die in the encounter. No I don't struggle for kills nor come in last. Alots of time I'm in the top 3. Maybe even 1st place. And it can be avoided if you listen and either run away or throw it away. just that simple.

Solution? Don't walk next to corpses??? If you keep getting killed by it, maybe you should think about not running over the person you killed, JUST IN CASE they have it on.

Not thinking about that is more n00b than Martyrdom itself.

Foffity

This. The people I play with use it all the time. I look down, and get ready to pop off a few shots before running across any corpse. That, and a lot of us use whichever one that drops a grenade, so the initial reaction when someone dies is to run away first. :p

i wish there was a maybe choice in the poll. because its totally noobish in hardcore mode. but in free-for-all and headquarters and domination, its fine by me. actually, especially headquarters. you can capture a HQ and get shot immediately and only get 5-10 points for it, which sucks, and you may not even had a chance to defend it at all cause some jerk just spammed grenades at it, so martyrdom is your only hope. its not bad dude. the n00b tube (and shooting it the second the match starts on ambush, bog, and anywhere else its possible, its completely for DORKS, you play the game entirely too much to sit there and try to end each round on s&d by firing those right off the bat, whats the point of playing the game once you do that? and its pathetic that you know exactly how to fire it in the air to take out the other team the second the spawn, play the game right i bet your not good) mainly because its a cheap weapon thats entirely too easy to use and takes no skill whatsoever. juggernaut isnt that bad as long as everyone not using it is equiped with stopping power which cancels it out, but it most of the strategic modes like hardcore s&d nobody ever uses it because it barely helps and theres far better perks that will make you better.

so even though i dont entirely agree, since matyrdom can be strategic, but the bottom line is that the only reason people use things like matyrdom, juggernaut, and last stand is because they know the suck and they're doing everything the possibly can do to to survive long enough for at least one kill.

btw i had 39 kills, 6 assists, and 10 death earlier on team deathmatch called two choppers and had a 20 kill streak. its the best ive done on that mode because i almost never play it, im a strict HC S&D player

i rarely ever get killed by martyrdom and i think your more of a noob if you get killed by it :P

but i know sometimes your just can't avoid it but that a completely different story so ya

i think the 3 nade thing is kind of noobish but not to much more cheap than noob

Solution? Don't walk next to corpses??? If you keep getting killed by it, maybe you should think about not running over the person you killed, JUST IN CASE they have it on.

Not thinking about that is more n00b than Martyrdom itself.

Foffity

2nd that

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Solution? Don't walk next to corpses??? If you keep getting killed by it, maybe you should think about not running over the person you killed, JUST IN CASE they have it on.

Not thinking about that is more n00b than Martyrdom itself.

BobZany

This. The people I play with use it all the time. I look down, and get ready to pop off a few shots before running across any corpse. That, and a lot of us use whichever one that drops a grenade, so the initial reaction when someone dies is to run away first. :p

yeah i always steer clear of imediate corpses (those that just died) because of martyrdom, but its also a good strategic thing to do because normally when you kills some one theres more of his teamates in the imediate vicinity so its good to run and take cover for a sec

[QUOTE="bigburd"]

Seriously complaining about martyrdom? If your a rookie and just started playing then yes you can complain about it, if you have more than 1 day of game time on the online you have no excuse for getting killed by it, i hardly ever get killed by it, because when you see a nade icon you RUN.

btw, if you say martrydom is "noobish" then every other perk in the game is noobish too, so is the m16, the p90, the m60, everything is now classified as "noobish" if it kills people because they aren't good enough to counteract it.

SamcottsPSWii60

The difference is, is that you are required to die for the perk to come into effect. Someone with skill shouldn't be thinking about what happens when they die, because they should know how not to, and therefore it only has use for the rookie, or 'noob'. You should be focusing on killing the opposition, not what effect you will have by dying. People who struggle to get kills, and die frequently are the ones who normally use the perk, meaning it is a 'noob' perk, and should be taken from the game.

i dont struggle to get kills, 55k should show that. My k/d ratio is 1.35 and climbing, so i dont really die alot either. I have also been known to go 40-5 more or less in matchs. I just think its very noobish to say a certain perk is noobish, sort of like this team my clan and i played one day in team tactical, they told us to use american guns because the p90 and ak74 are noobish?!?!?! i mean seriously WTF. In a mode like sabotage i think its especially usefull so the other team may have to wait a few seconds to get the bomb giving my team more time to get it.

Martyrdom is NOT hard to avoid. If you can't avoid it whose fault is that?

Here's a tip in case people aren't sure how to avoid it.

Solution? Don't walk next to corpses??? If you keep getting killed by it, maybe you should think about not running over the person you killed, JUST IN CASE they have it on.

Not thinking about that is more n00b than Martyrdom itself.

Foffity

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Solution? Don't walk next to corpses??? If you keep getting killed by it, maybe you should think about not running over the person you killed, JUST IN CASE they have it on.

Not thinking about that is more n00b than Martyrdom itself.

FatChuwawa

sometimes you cant help it like you in a spontanious firefight with few of your guys and some enemies, you might have 3 grenade icons on your screen. or if you are low on heath (throbbing red) and you get out of range but it kills you anyway.

if you're throbbing red and in a firefight with 3 grenade icons around you, you're going to die anyways. regardless if one of those grenades was a martyrdom-nade. you'll probably get shot on the run, might as well fight to the end.

No.. I think it requires skill
to use martydom..only
the best players use it as a perk!

Seriously though..i avoid it most of
the time..easily what irritates me though
is when i stumble upon a group of enemies
and as usual i take at least the first one out
and go for the second the first guy has martydom
on and im focusing on the second..overload!! :D