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#1 klootzak_als
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I red somewhere that the ps3 is running at 25% (for the games currently available ) is this true or just a rumour? why are they makking games that don't use the 100% of the ps3 processing power ( so that they can convert them to xbox360 games  ?)

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they are not using the full power of the PS3 because they don't know how to do it. The PS3's architecture is different. Therefore, developers are having to learn new ways to get the most out of the PS3. It was the same with the PS2.
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they are not using the full power of the PS3 because they don't know how to do it. The PS3's architecture is different. Therefore, developers are having to learn new ways to get the most out of the PS3. It was the same with the PS2.eclipsed4utoo

That and costs would be too high for doing it on a system for such a small install base(no profits) plus it's easier to make the game for 360 and then port it over.

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#4 klootzak_als
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so they made a game console  that can run with 8 proccesors but nowone actully knows how to use them and they launched the ps3 while saying "we'll figure it out eventually"

 

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#5 Cellien
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The console itself is always running at 100%, what you are referring to and what people get confused a lot is that the console isn't being used very efficiently yet. In time, like all consoles, they can squeeze more out of a console cause they know the ins and outs of the hardware/architecture. So in a since.. you are correct, but a lot of people think the Cell is this holy grail of processors, but there is a lot of hype surrounding it. Games will look better in the future on the PS3 as with all consoles.. the 360 and PS3 will always be similar in graphical quality. Their architectures are very different, but in the end they are close to the same in specs.
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The same thing happend when they came out with multiple core processors for computers. Developers of games (and other software) didn't know how to take advantage of it and it just took them longer to redesign their thinking (some are still working on it). But new/better developer tools will also help... along with time.
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The console itself is always running at 100%, what you are referring to and what people get confused a lot is that the console isn't being used very efficiently yet. In time, like all consoles, they can squeeze more out of a console cause they know the ins and outs of the hardware/architecture. So in a since.. you are correct, but a lot of people think the Cell is this holy grail of processors, but there is a lot of hype surrounding it. Games will look better in the future on the PS3 as with all consoles.. the 360 and PS3 will always be similar in graphical quality. Their architectures are very different, but in the end they are close to the same in specs.Cellien

Applauds  a decent post that is not bashing.  Well done!  I didn't think you had it in you! :D

It should also be said that this happens with every new console.  A classic example that spans the globe is the PS2.  God of War came out towards the end of that console life and look at it.  A thing of beauty, part 2 even more so.  They had trouble programming for the PS2 in the beginning aswell.

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so they made a game console that can run with 8 proccesors but nowone actully knows how to use them and they launched the ps3 while saying "we'll figure it out eventually"

klootzak_als
yes. the same happened with the PS2, and look how that turned out.
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#9 Nightflash28
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so they made a game console that can run with 8 proccesors but nowone actully knows how to use them and they launched the ps3 while saying "we'll figure it out eventually"

Well, name one console whose full potential was used right away from the start.

...

Thought so. 

 

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The console itself is always running at 100%, what you are referring to and what people get confused a lot is that the console isn't being used very efficiently yet. In time, like all consoles, they can squeeze more out of a console cause they know the ins and outs of the hardware/architecture. So in a since.. you are correct, but a lot of people think the Cell is this holy grail of processors, but there is a lot of hype surrounding it. Games will look better in the future on the PS3 as with all consoles.. the 360 and PS3 will always be similar in graphical quality. Their architectures are very different, but in the end they are close to the same in specs.Cellien

thank you. you should copy and paste this on every retarted thread like these that pop up

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so they made a game console  that can run with 8 proccesors but nowone actully knows how to use them and they launched the ps3 while saying "we'll figure it out eventually"

 

klootzak_als


No! That's not the way to look at it. Sony built the PS3 knowing full well what's it capabilities are. It's up to the developers to tap into that power. It has a very different architecture than the 360 and is harder to develop for. It may be harder, but the outcome is well worth it. Heavenly Sword is said to use the Cell in a great way, but even then, it's not going to be using the full potential. If you ask me, a console reaching it's full potential at the beginning of it's life cycle would suck. There would never be enhanced graphics, physics etc. We would just get it all right away with no improvements until the next version.
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#12 Cb4Bait
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They can't, thats why sony made the new gameing edge program or w/e to help developers.

25% ps3= 75% 360

 50% ps3 = 95% 360

100% ps3 = poo on 360

 

:)

 

psn:bait 

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#13 LosDaddie
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Late 2008 is when we may start seeing games making better use of the PS3's strengths.

Right now all we have is 1st gen games.

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[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"]they are not using the full power of the PS3 because they don't know how to do it. The PS3's architecture is different. Therefore, developers are having to learn new ways to get the most out of the PS3. It was the same with the PS2.mmirza23

That and costs would be too high for doing it on a system for such a small install base(no profits) plus it's easier to make the game for 360 and then port it over.

 

According to Factor 5 (the development team behind Lair), it is easier to port from the PS3 onto the 360.

Here's The Link:  http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-35078.aspx

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:o Imagine PS3 at 100%.... *goes in a coma*

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They can't, thats why sony made the new gameing edge program or w/e to help developers.

25% ps3= 75% 360

 50% ps3 = 95% 360

100% ps3 = poo on 360

 

:)

 

psn:bait 

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lmao. you're awesome

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[QUOTE="Cb4Bait"]

They can't, thats why sony made the new gameing edge program or w/e to help developers.

25% ps3= 75% 360

 50% ps3 = 95% 360

100% ps3 = poo on 360

By the time sony and other companies are using 100% of the PS3 hardware, microsoft might be ready to release a new xbox, I mean look how long it took for us to see the real power of the PS2, I was amazed when GOW first came out, I was floored by the graphics.  So I wouldn't "poo" on anything quote yet.

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[QUOTE="Cellien"]The console itself is always running at 100%, what you are referring to and what people get confused a lot is that the console isn't being used very efficiently yet. In time, like all consoles, they can squeeze more out of a console cause they know the ins and outs of the hardware/architecture. So in a since.. you are correct, but a lot of people think the Cell is this holy grail of processors, but there is a lot of hype surrounding it. Games will look better in the future on the PS3 as with all consoles.. the 360 and PS3 will always be similar in graphical quality. Their architectures are very different, but in the end they are close to the same in specs.Trek5200

Applauds a decent post that is not bashing. Well done! I didn't think you had it in you! :D

It should also be said that this happens with every new console. A classic example that spans the globe is the PS2. God of War came out towards the end of that console life and look at it. A thing of beauty, part 2 even more so. They had trouble programming for the PS2 in the beginning aswell.

I just tell it like it is... :)
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They can't, thats why sony made the new gameing edge program or w/e to help developers.

25% ps3= 75% 360

 50% ps3 = 95% 360

100% ps3 = poo on 360

 

:)

 

psn:bait 

Cb4Bait

LMAOOO Thats the best post ever!! and true.. nice one

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#21 babystapler
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I only use 10% of my mind.
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#23 Soul_to_Squeeze
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[QUOTE="Cb4Bait"]

They can't, thats why sony made the new gameing edge program or w/e to help developers.

25% ps3= 75% 360

 50% ps3 = 95% 360

100% ps3 = poo on 360

 

:)

 

psn:bait 

arabi_89

LMAOOO Thats the best post ever!! and true.. nice one

yea...or not

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#24 kingtito
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They can't, thats why sony made the new gameing edge program or w/e to help developers.

25% ps3= 75% 360

 50% ps3 = 95% 360

100% ps3 = poo on 360

 

:)

 

psn:bait 

Cb4Bait

 

I really doubt you have any idea what you're talking about nor do you even know what's inside of either console. You should serioulsy consider not posting such idiotic nonsense from this moment on. Do some reading and research next time and stop being such a complete fanboy.

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they are not using the full power of the PS3 because they don't know how to do it. The PS3's architecture is different. Therefore, developers are having to learn new ways to get the most out of the PS3. It was the same with the PS2.eclipsed4utoo

 

Hard to put a percentage on something that many developers state they may never fully unleash. 

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#26 budboarder
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I dunno about 10%. Id buy 30 or 40. That would be pretty typical of a new system. Give it time to realize its potential.
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[QUOTE="Cb4Bait"]

They can't, thats why sony made the new gameing edge program or w/e to help developers.

25% ps3= 75% 360

50% ps3 = 95% 360

100% ps3 = poo on 360

By the time sony and other companies are using 100% of the PS3 hardware, microsoft might be ready to release a new xbox, I mean look how long it took for us to see the real power of the PS2, I was amazed when GOW first came out, I was floored by the graphics. So I wouldn't "poo" on anything quote yet.

SmoothBrother1

 

i don't like the idea of having to buy a new system each 4 years. 

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right now the graphics looks like 360 graphics bvecause they don't know how to use the ps3's power. when they learn how to use such an amazing alienlike technology like the 8 cel lcore processor in the ps3, it will look like jesus's graphics
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#29 Blanco98
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LoL PS3 is like the Chuck Norris of gaming lol.....
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LoL PS3 is like the Chuck Norris of gaming lol.....Blanco98

You're like the Chuck Norris of this forum ;).  

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I red somewhere that the ps3 is running at 25% (for the games currently available ) is this true or just a rumour? why are they makking games that don't use the 100% of the ps3 processing power ( so that they can convert them to xbox360 games  ?)

no its because it takes alot of money to make an amazing game, and you could have the best hardware bu if its hard to program for you not going to get amazng games as quickly as say the 360 but once they crack the ps3 you will notice the diffrence and why ur paying 600 buks for a videogame system.

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#32 _AsasN_
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[QUOTE="Cb4Bait"]

They can't, thats why sony made the new gameing edge program or w/e to help developers.

25% ps3= 75% 360

 50% ps3 = 95% 360

100% ps3 = poo on 360

 

:)

 

psn:bait 

kingtito

 

I really doubt you have any idea what you're talking about nor do you even know what's inside of either console. You should serioulsy consider not posting such idiotic nonsense from this moment on. Do some reading and research next time and stop being such a complete fanboy.



Oh relax! It's not like he's trying to pass that off as official numbers. Lighten up.
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The console itself is always running at 100%, what you are referring to and what people get confused a lot is that the console isn't being used very efficiently yet. In time, like all consoles, they can squeeze more out of a console cause they know the ins and outs of the hardware/architecture. So in a since.. you are correct, but a lot of people think the Cell is this holy grail of processors, but there is a lot of hype surrounding it. Games will look better in the future on the PS3 as with all consoles.. the 360 and PS3 will always be similar in graphical quality. Their architectures are very different, but in the end they are close to the same in specs.Cellien

The 360 and PS3 barely have the same specs. Not even their graphics chips are the same, let alone the dynamic duo of Cell and Blu-Ray.

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Look at the history of Playstation, they systems get better and better as developers learn their secrets.  What they are getting done with PS2 technology these days is incredible. And PS3 will be the same way.
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#35 Cellien
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LoL PS3 is like the Chuck Norris of gaming lol.....Blanco98
Old and a "has been"? You referring to the Playstation brand?
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right now the graphics looks like 360 graphics bvecause they don't know how to use the ps3's power. when they learn how to use such an amazing alienlike technology like the 8 cel lcore processor in the ps3, it will look like jesus's graphicsddldave

man everyone keeps saying that, and although it may be true, ill believe it when i see it. it just seems like everyone keeps fallin back on the belief that the ps3 will be so amazing in the future, and it might be, but then again it might not. i think if the ps3 is soo much better than the 360 like everyone in here seems to believe, than it should already have better graphics, but truth is alot of the multiplatform games look better and run better on the 360 so far. now im not sayin the ps3 wont be amazing in the future and have superior graphics to that of the 360, but until it happens, im just gonna go with what i see now. lol but the joke about jesus's graphics was pretty good haha

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#37 yellowdatsun
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yeah the ps2 started off real crapy and now look at gow 2!! its almost next gen. imagine if ps2 could do a game like that at the beginning of its lifecycle. you would go strait from ps1 to GOW2. now thats a HUGE difference.
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@soultosqueeze  Crossplatform games aren't benchmark games for systems so they really don't show what a system is capable of. Tell me a crossplatform game that looks better than a Gears or Motorstorm?  Secondly I think PS3 does already have the best graphic game out.  Motorstorm is arguably the best looking game on any system right now and the amount of enemies onscreen in Resistance is unmatched by any FPS on X360 including Gears.

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I think that big budget first party games like God of War 3 will show off what the PS3 can really do. Because alot of developers now a days have bigger spending costs to make a game. And they wont go all out for one particular system unless they get paid for exclusivity.
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@soultosqueeze  Crossplatform games aren't benchmark games for systems so they really don't show what a system is capable of. Tell me a crossplatform game that looks better than a Gears or Motorstorm?  Secondly I think PS3 does already have the best graphic game out.  Motorstorm is arguably the best looking game on any system right now and the amount of enemies onscreen in Resistance is unmatched by any FPS on X360 including Gears.

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Motorstorm best looking game on any system? "argueably" is right! Amount of enemies on screen makes a game look better? Then Dead Rising must be one of the best looking games around. Leave your fanboyism at the door..
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@soultosqueeze Crossplatform games aren't benchmark games for systems so they really don't show what a system is capable of. Tell me a crossplatform game that looks better than a Gears or Motorstorm? Secondly I think PS3 does already have the best graphic game out. Motorstorm is arguably the best looking game on any system right now and the amount of enemies onscreen in Resistance is unmatched by any FPS on X360 including Gears.

Cellien

Motorstorm best looking game on any system? "argueably" is right! Amount of enemies on screen makes a game look better? Then Dead Rising must be one of the best looking games around. Leave your fanboyism at the door..

What is better than Motorstorm that is currently out? Secondly I'm in the PS3 forum so I think I'll be keeping my "fanboyism" thank you.

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[QUOTE="Blanco98"]LoL PS3 is like the Chuck Norris of gaming lol.....CyanX73

You're like the Chuck Norris of this forum ;).  

i dont get this

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@soultosqueeze  Crossplatform games aren't benchmark games for systems so they really don't show what a system is capable of. Tell me a crossplatform game that looks better than a Gears or Motorstorm?  Secondly I think PS3 does already have the best graphic game out.  Motorstorm is arguably the best looking game on any system right now and the amount of enemies onscreen in Resistance is unmatched by any FPS on X360 including Gears.

EmperorSupreme

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The console itself is always running at 100%, what you are referring to and what people get confused a lot is that the console isn't being used very efficiently yet. In time, like all consoles, they can squeeze more out of a console cause they know the ins and outs of the hardware/architecture. So in a since.. you are correct, but a lot of people think the Cell is this holy grail of processors, but there is a lot of hype surrounding it. Games will look better in the future on the PS3 as with all consoles.. the 360 and PS3 will always be similar in graphical quality. Their architectures are very different, but in the end they are close to the same in specs.Cellien
  This guy makes a very solid point.  The PS3's Cell processor doesn't allow for better graphics but does allow for more things to be processed at once, for example you could tell one core to handle the physics of the game, another core to handle the audio, another core to handle another thing ect.  So we might see smoother framerates on the PS3 due to more processing power but the graphics chips are essentially the same with 256MB GDDR3 Ram on them. 
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#45 Akush47
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i thought the ps3 would use everything it got.... but what happen? why 25 percent?
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#46 Hyper_52
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Another console started of in a similar fashion and that was the Sega Saturn.  Rather than being a single 64-bit system, it was in fact a 32-bit X2 system.  Unfortunately not many programmers (apart from Sega themselves) knew how to program games to take advantage of the second CPU, ergo most games where only 32-bit.  Hopefully these sorts of issues wont arise again in next-gen consoles.
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Hard to Believe!

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#48 PowerCharged
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They can't, thats why sony made the new gameing edge program or w/e to help developers.

25% ps3= 75% 360

50% ps3 = 95% 360

100% ps3 = poo on 360

 

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i love this guy. you stole those words right out of my mouth. 

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#49 s0lid_snake111
Member since 2007 • 469 Posts
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@soultosqueeze  Crossplatform games aren't benchmark games for systems so they really don't show what a system is capable of. Tell me a crossplatform game that looks better than a Gears or Motorstorm?  Secondly I think PS3 does already have the best graphic game out.  Motorstorm is arguably the best looking game on any system right now and the amount of enemies onscreen in Resistance is unmatched by any FPS on X360 including Gears.

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i love how these retarted fanboys make lame excuses and laugh at eachother, same goes for that idiotic post comparing the ps3 50% and the 360 poo or what ever that garbage was. just go and actually play the 360 and ull learn why it already sold 10+million units and know how awesome of a system it is. and for motorstorm as the best looking game, go play gears on a hd set, or go look at masseffect or forza.

alright back on the topic, its true that the developers arent using the ps3s full potential, we wont see that until games like MGS4 comes out, games that were build ground up for the ps3, but economy wont let that happen. $$$ matters, its that simple. as it has been stated before, developping for the 360 is easier.......so companies would rather develop a game on the 360 (all the sports games, GTA4, oblivion, tonyhawks, defjams.....and the whole massmarket games) and then port it to the ps3 for maximum profit. thats why those games run better on the 360. and it will continue because the 360 has a huge market share this gen compared to the old xbox. (the wii has a path of its own)

so in the end, its a way more uphill battle for sony compared to last time. they will have to prove to the audience that the ps3 is the technically superior platform by delevering quality 1st party games, because 3rd parties will choose the path that is easier and makes more profit (the 360 route). so its all in sonys hands, they can win and loose because of their own doings. and plz dont act like morons and post stupid things basing the 360, it makes this board look like its full of stupid hicks who laugh at their own jokes (atleast post at systemwars so the 360 fans can see it;) lol)

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#50 usule
Member since 2003 • 1734 Posts

Another console started of in a similar fashion and that was the Sega Saturn. Rather than being a single 64-bit system, it was in fact a 32-bit X2 system. Unfortunately not many programmers (apart from Sega themselves) knew how to program games to take advantage of the second CPU, ergo most games where only 32-bit. Hopefully these sorts of issues wont arise again in next-gen consoles.Hyper_52

Oh buddy, one thing is sure, the sega saturn never had a second cpu... Processors overheating were not such an issue those days...