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#1 AJMFace
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As many of you people probibly know, the iPhone is coming out this friday. With all the hype around it, there have been a few people questioning the phone: the battery life, screen scratches, ect. However, there has been little talk of the price. Its $500!!! As soon as the price of the ps3 was andounced, lots of people we crying out in protest. Yet a 4gb iPhone is 500 buck! Or $600 for an 8gb model! I'm not justifying the price of the ps3, i personally thinks its expensive and won't buy one till the price drops, but the ps3 seems so much better than an iPhone. You get a game system, blu-ray player, its HD and has wifi, a 60 gb hard drive.... The iPhone just seems like such a worse deal than the ps3. Why do you think everyone jumps all over the ps3, yet seem to accept the same price for an iPhone, PLUS a 2 year contract with AT&T (which i imagine isn't cheap either)?
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#2 Flame_Blade88
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Hahahahahahaha an iPhone commercial came on when I was reading this.
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#3 AJC3317
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both are worth it if you actually sit back and think about what you're getting.
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#4 crumbs21
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face the facts,MOST of the gamers right now are part-time workers who have low social skills.phone users such as this IPHONE will be businessman,lawyers or the busy worker who drinks at a bar everytime after work and gets laid almost everynight not workers who get the minimum wage and leeches off his/her mom's earnings..aint i brutal?
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#5 Flame_Blade88
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I like a lot of the features on that phone though.
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#6 AJMFace
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But what I'm really wondering is, why not the outcry about the price of the iPhone? Personally, I think the ps3 is better bang for the buck, but the iPhone costs the same and requires a 2 year contract. Don't get me wrong, i think the iPhone is cool and would love to have one, but why do people think that there was such an outcry agianst the price of the ps3 and not the iPhone?
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#7 Flame_Blade88
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But what I'm really wondering is, why not the outcry about the price of the iPhone? Personally, I think the ps3 is better bang for the buck, but the iPhone costs the same and requires a 2 year contract. Don't get me wrong, i think the iPhone is cool and would love to have one, but why do people think that there was such an outcry agianst the price of the ps3 and not the iPhone?AJMFace

Because no one wants the iPhone yet, I've yet to here someone even talk about it.

The fact is that a lot of people want a PS3, it's just that they don't want to dish out $600.

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#8 jpridgen0
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But what I'm really wondering is, why not the outcry about the price of the iPhone? Personally, I think the ps3 is better bang for the buck, but the iPhone costs the same and requires a 2 year contract. Don't get me wrong, i think the iPhone is cool and would love to have one, but why do people think that there was such an outcry agianst the price of the ps3 and not the iPhone?AJMFace
i guess crying about the ps3's price was (and still is) the cool thing to do, lol.
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#9 standcm12
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ha yeah i actually think the iphone is more worth it...i still desperately want both though :D
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#10 Liquid-Prince
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Iphone is for people who aren't smart enough to realize it for what it really is. There are phones out already far better then the Iphone. The only function I like was the picture viewer and that was only decent. But this isn't a valid topic because there are tons of phones that cost that much; the Nokia N95 costs $800.
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#11 urockdef
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Crumbs, I guess i'm the one exception to your post. I'm a drafter, I work, I paid for my PS3 all by myself! And, I'm 36. I'm sure there are a few more like me out there. I think the Iphone is way to expensive for just a phone. Though, I think the PS3 is expensive, it does alot of things for the money. How many people are really going to watch movies on their phone? Like one poster has already said it is really most practical for businessman who have to travel.
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#12 Mad-Melo
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Whos gonna pay $600 for a phone? If I ever paid that much for a phone, that thing better make me breakfast and clean my room. Thats just way too much for a phpne IMO. If I had $600, I would go straight to the store and get me a PS3. Besides, you should just wait to see if the phone has any problems with it.
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#13 myxylplyx
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iPhone $600? No public outcry even close to the PS3 price complaints? Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
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#14 chopstx667
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I never considered those 2 to be in the same field really. Since the PS3 is a complete entertainment system rolled into one and the iPhone is....well I guess a super advance palm pilot. I heard on the news that the hype was soooooo huge for the iPhone that if one minor flaw turns out to be a huge problem, it oculd bring down Apple's stocks like crazy. It was on special edition so I don't have a link, sorry. The only people that will truly need an iphone though will be the people that can afford it. Other than that, just get a ps3 and a "regular" phone.
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#15 Paper_Knife
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you cant complain about the iPhone silly. apple made the iPod. :roll:
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#16 crumbs21
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Crumbs, I guess i'm the one exception to your post. I'm a drafter, I work, I paid for my PS3 all by myself! And, I'm 36. I'm sure there are a few more like me out there. I think the Iphone is way to expensive for just a phone. Though, I think the PS3 is expensive, it does alot of things for the money. How many people are really going to watch movies on their phone? Like one poster has already said it is really most practical for businessman who have to travel.urockdef

well be it as it may, iphone is for the flashy worker.i work at a resto and i know people who can afford to will pay more than 500$ for a meal,even so for a phone.same principle as a laptop why get vaio or mac if i can get hp or dell?why geta expensive video card if i could still use my current one?why get an ipod if i could get a cheaper mp3 player?why get a jordan sneakers if i could get a converse?why get a designer shirt if i could get a 5$ shirt from chinatown?why get a vista if i could still live with my xp?why get a jeep if could get the hyundai?why get a ps3 if i could get a 360?see i believe each person is different and each person has needs and wants and will do everything or purchase anything to fill that hole.even me ill get it if i can afford it,well either the iphone or a blackberry just because i like spoiling myself but just the reality of me having a wife makes me think that i'll just save up the money andpayforsomething that my family really need...food,shelter,water.and individual luxuries that i do to keep me sane be it videogames,alcohol,etc or some good ol' loving with my lovely wife, which is oh-so-free

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#17 digxxbitty
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both are worth it if you actually sit back and think about what you're getting.AJC3317

exactly

I never considered those 2 to be in the same field really.chopstx667

yes

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#18 junk56
Member since 2003 • 1748 Posts

....its a phone... with an ipod... hence iphone.

have u guys seen fones from japan? they've had phones tehnogically superior to the iphone for years now.. americans must be nuts to buy a $700 phone.

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#19 ChadWhite
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PS3 pwns the iPhone. But the iPhone looks good though.
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#20 joevfx
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yopu actually are gonna spend close to $2100 for the iphone for 2 years. Thats why you dont buy a first gen apple product. wait till january when the second gen will released, better and cheaper.
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#21 Velric
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I tried to make this comparison when it was first announced and no one cared, lol.
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#22 Modbetto
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IT' s got a frigghin 2mp camera......2MP!!!!!....does jobbs know were in 2007???????....my phone is old and has 3,2 mp....and i can put up to 4gb micro sd's in it!!!!!
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#23 istylee
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there two totally different things..your not gonna buy a ps3 if you need a fone or ipod..
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Iphone is for people who aren't smart enough to realize it for what it really is. There are phones out already far better then the Iphone. The only function I like was the picture viewer and that was only decent. But this isn't a valid topic because there are tons of phones that cost that much; the Nokia N95 costs $800.Liquid-Prince

i got a nokia n95 on last tuesday iphone cant come close to how good the n95 is it has everything gps 5 meg cam and etc

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#25 justin_06
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an iphone would be cool, but just like an ipod, the second wave or generation will be 100% better. and im still holding off until after E3 to get a PSP to see if they are designing a new one, and if it will have a phone feature.
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#26 untouchables111
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[QUOTE="Liquid-Prince"]Iphone is for people who aren't smart enough to realize it for what it really is. There are phones out already far better then the Iphone. The only function I like was the picture viewer and that was only decent. But this isn't a valid topic because there are tons of phones that cost that much; the Nokia N95 costs $800.IQT786

i got a nokia n95 on last tuesday iphone cant come close to how good the n95 is it has everything gps 5 meg cam and etc

i beg to differ that phone has real internet not the crap cell internet but the search any site i want to one. that phone has apples OS 10 in it. tell me a phone that has that. and 500 bucks is way to cheap for that 1000 sounds good to me but apples to nice to do that. your talken music, full movies tv showes, brand new text style, pics, touch no more tinnnny buttons. i mean that phone has so much it ant even funny youll see.
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#27 alzdaman
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face the facts,MOST of the gamers right now are part-time workers who have low social skills.phone users such as this IPHONE will be businessman,lawyers or the busy worker who drinks at a bar everytime after work and gets laid almost everynight not workers who get the minimum wage and leeches off his/her mom's earnings..aint i brutal?crumbs21

I'm a businessman, Iphone doesn't interest me to the least. It's cool, but just a big waste of money. I do however, have a PS3.

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I think the iPhone looks awesome, but I don't see myself getting it any time soon. I am happy with my current phone and already have an iPod. for me it would just drain the battery out of my phone which I hate to charge in the first place. $600 is a lot, but what did you expect when their latest iPod is still running at $350? Now add in a phone, internet, etc. and they are going to charge you all they can. The thing about it is you will still have to pay for extra features if you aren't already doing so and change providers if you aren't with AT&T already (unless they change that in the future).

As far as the PSP with phone, etc... wasn't that the death of the N-Gage? I think people are trying to cram too many features into one gadget. Let a phone be a phone, a music player be a music player, and a gaming system be a gaming system. Perfect what you've already got.

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#29 crumbs21
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[QUOTE="crumbs21"]face the facts,MOST of the gamers right now are part-time workers who have low social skills.phone users such as this IPHONE will be businessman,lawyers or the busy worker who drinks at a bar everytime after work and gets laid almost everynight not workers who get the minimum wage and leeches off his/her mom's earnings..aint i brutal?alzdaman

I'm a businessman, Iphone doesn't interest me to the least. It's cool, but just a big waste of money. I do however, have a PS3.

you said it doesnt interst you, but then you said its cool so it does interest you.and eventually if the price is cheaper i bet you're going to get one too and also you're not the only businessman in the world.

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#30 Theempire30
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I'm not going to spend $500 on a phone thats going to be replaced in 1 year, especially one from Apple who has replaced they're Ipods so many times...I'm happy with the PS3, I know it will last many many years.
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#31 ajefferism
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Seeing that i dont use my phone all that much and I play my ps3 every night... I would say the PS3 is the better deal.... Though when the iPhone price comes down and its storage gets to around 40Gb i'll probably have to pick one up .... would be nice to have everything in one gadget and the interface looks really nice... my pockets will thank me but my check book wont
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#32 The_Tombo
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both are worth it if you actually sit back and think about what you're getting.AJC3317

nah I disagree...no phone in the history of phones is worht 600 bucks....

Ihave a phone for 200 bucks put in a 4 gig flash card put on my own mp3's and play the crappy cellphone games I never play because I have a ps3.. put movies on it and watch some shows and all that without a contract at all.

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#34 mistergoodkatt
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But what I'm really wondering is, why not the outcry about the price of the iPhone? Personally, I think the ps3 is better bang for the buck, but the iPhone costs the same and requires a 2 year contract. Don't get me wrong, i think the iPhone is cool and would love to have one, but why do people think that there was such an outcry agianst the price of the ps3 and not the iPhone?AJMFace

I mean if u look at most smart/PDA phones they are around the same price, its just that with most of those phones, when you sign a new contract you get so many rebates that it cuts the price in half. That doesnt happen with videogame systems. Now the question is, since no contract and plan details have been released for the iPhone yet, will it come with rebate deals too??? If it does then it will fall in line with other phones of its kind, if it doesnt I expcect to hear complaints about the price. It just hasnt happened yet because we dont know if there will be any rebate deals.

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#35 lextexrex
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isn't the iphone a psp with phone capabilities but not a good gaming machine? And aren't some European countries getting phone capabilities for the psp?
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#36 tgrace
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face the facts,MOST of the gamers right now are part-time workers who have low social skills.phone users such as this IPHONE will be businessman,lawyers or the busy worker who drinks at a bar everytime after work and gets laid almost everynight not workers who get the minimum wage and leeches off his/her mom's earnings..aint i brutal?crumbs21

Well I was going to respond to this thread with a post about how the PS3 and iPhone have different target audiences, but I think you beat me to it . ;)

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#37 Xanog1
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I don't know about some of you, but I'm more content having paid $600 for something that does everything the iPhone does (with the exception of being a phone) except better, with full next-gen games and Blu-Ray support, and without the likely high monthly fees.

If I had to buy a cell phone, I'd buy one that is meant strictly for contacting people in emergencies, I have my PSP for large amounts of multimedia content on the go.

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#38 Blin220
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won't the iphone have mail in rebates and special offers? I know when i bought my phone it did. I only paid 50 dollars for it i believe when its actually prices ranges from 250 (cinuglar) - 350 (best buy)
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#39 svenskamerikan
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both are worth it if you actually sit back and think about what you're getting.AJC3317

You are kidding right. The iphone is Edge technology and provides nothing new - nothing. I have the Sony Ericsson W810i which has the built in walkman player which is great, can play itunes format, has a memory card that I can stick into the ps3 to transfer music and pictures, is also Edge - more importantly it has a battery that can be switched out so you don't have to throw it away in 1-2 years (this will become an issue with the iphone) and finally it has a great 2megapixel camera with zoom and flash that takes surprisingly good pictures. It cost $50 and the 4gb memory card cost $70 so tell me again how the iphone for $499 is a good deal...............

Now apple also has that product for $299 that allows you to stream music and videos from itunes to the tv.........$300 for something that does a fraction of what the ps3 can do (streaming is no issue with the ps3 after v1.8 update).......

Yeah Apple overpriced - Sony properly priced

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#40 justinblair2
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are we really trying to compare a gaming console to a phone?
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#41 svenskamerikan
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are we really trying to compare a gaming console to a phone? justinblair2

The point is paying a certain amount of tech stuff and seeing what we get. If you are going to complain about the $600 for a PS3 you have to ask yourself what else would you have gotten for the money....... You could say - hey it is only about 20 rounds of golf etc - now we compared it to the iphone with is a tech gadget and I think it works fine.

Iphone - overpriced not going to sell 10 million - if it does it is mainly because people don't know what else is out there

PS3 properly priced -- will sell as more and more people understand what it can do (and further developments are released)

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#42 soldier1993
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You must be a nerd to buy an iphone

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#43 creekfan_basic
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while the iphone looks real cool, it doesn't really do anything new and is super overpriced.....

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#44 sam890
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face the facts,MOST of the gamers right now are part-time workers who have low social skills.phone users such as this IPHONE will be businessman,lawyers or the busy worker who drinks at a bar everytime after work and gets laid almost everynight not workers who get the minimum wage and leeches off his/her mom's earnings..aint i brutal?crumbs21
lol low social skills
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#45 justinblair2
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ive spent 600 bucks on plenty of stuff, but i dont try and compare my TV or my computer to my PS3. I purchased them for different reasons, hence the reason that comparing a "High tech" phone to a playstation is silly ..a phone is a phone no matter how much crap it does.
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#46 Tdiddy05
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The PS3 is a much better deal it is a lot more expensive than 600 bucks to make. The iPhone is suspected to only cost 250 bucks to make so Apple is getting 50 percent profit every phone sold. Sony is losing money everytime a PS3 is sold. I want an iPhone but I will never spend that much money on a phone it is not even close to being worth it.

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#47 dbzfreak
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I can't belive this topic is still going strong. Comparing a gaming machine to a super palm pilot is not feasible.
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#48 wallpaper42
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Yeah the Iphone really should be like $200. The PS3 has 56 more GB, a gaming system, a blu ray player and then everything else the Iphone has except for a phone. If only the PS3 was one fourth the size of the PS2 slim-line and was a phone...

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#49 IQT786
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the only thing good about iphone is the os

i have n95 it has built in gps satnav 5 megapixle camera dvd like video recording at 640x480 3g hsdpa edge wifi bluetooth infred mp3 with album art and 4gb memory and two way slide and more and guess what its smaller then a iphone

iphone is all hype

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#50 dbzfreak
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the only thing good about iphone is the os

i have n95 it has built in gps satnav 5 megapixle camera dvd like video recording at 640x480 3g hsdpa edge wifi bluetooth infred mp3 with album art and 4gb memory and two way slide and more and guess what its smaller then a iphone

iphone is all hype

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I say the same about I-Pods, they are overpriced and overhyped. There are plenty of MP3 players out there that are a lot cheaper or give you more bang for your buck.