Qore Makes us pay for "esclusive demos/ and other content" that should

And instead we will have to pay for Qore. Ive explained myself over on Playstation.com after the information on Qore was released and i thought id left everyone over here know whats going on with this new system. Here are just some of mine as well as others responses after hearing about Qore.

"Yes PSN is still getting content, and Qore is getting exclusive content that PSN will not have.

All of that exclusive content would be in the PSN, if there was no Qore. We'll be payin extra for the stuff that we should've got free.

Exclusive content:

"special access to game demos, special beta invitations, game add-ons and other downloadable game-related content."

"as well as the latest Blu-ray Disc trailers, an exclusive SOCOM: Confrontation theme"

So what could of been in PSN that will be in Qore instead include Demos, Add-ons, Themes, Blu-ray trailers, that will never hit PSN. this will mean that you will have to pay just to access this content!"

In response to "diehard fanboy"

"Alright Juuken, heres the thing, What sony is doing with Qore is there taking what would be put into PSN and making us pay for it. They say they have exclusive content, well we would have that for free if they didn't make Qore. Theyre nickle and diming us to the extreme, with a subscriptions and people are buying it. We shouldnt have to pay for a feature that should and was free."

Another persons take on the issue:

Impossibilium | June 3rd, 2008 at 10:10 pm

If you want to know what's wrong with the PS3 this post says it all.

This should be free. Why? Because right now there is little evidence of Sony being part of a gaming community.

Where is the integration in the XMB and the PSN between players, developers and Sony? You can't even read this blog properly in the PS3 browser because Flash hasn't been updated since it was released.

Sony should be talking directly to the gamers through the PSN. It should be nurturing a community with direct communication. If Major Nelson can be bothered to add a small free podcast to Live for free then why can't we have something at the PSN for free? Free for all users, to get all users involved. There is little sense of Sony caring about community relations outside of this blog.

This was a perfect opportunity for Sony to start directly talking to gamers and making them feel that the PSN was something special. It should have been a free show every week running for about 15 minutes. Letting PS3 users inside the PS3 world, putting faces on the talent involved and allowing gamers to relate to industry gamers. Making a community. Everyone on the 360 knows the name of Major Nelson. The same should be true for the Playstation but it isn't. It just makes Sony seem intentionally aloof and out of touch from the audience.

The information board is useless. It's too slow and by the time the tiny amount of news hits it you already know. It's an impersonal system that's just an RSS reader. Qore will be the same. It will be exclusive for an hour or two then the news will be just as redundant as sites like Kotaku and Joystiq report on it and Qore hits YouTube.

So yes, it will be just like a magazine. Outdated as soon as it's released"

I was told to respond to this many times:

"If you purchase Qore, you will have access to exclusive content that would not be available otherwise - it does not impact the availability of the great content found on PSN, nor does it change our free play model." - amurphy (a PS:B mod)

all thats saying is there is going to be great content still on the PSN like there was, there should be that extra on the PSN anyway though. How happy have you been with the PSNs last 2 updates?

of course theyre going to say that

Another:

calf_exercises | June 3rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm

"nothing can make me excited for this, you want people to pay for advertising? that is the stupidest thing ever. The hole point is to promote PS3 ang PSP games and you want us to pay. And you are going to give beta keys away to the people stupid enough to pay for this. Betas are ment to be free!
well this isnt one of the best ideas sony has ever had.
if it is free then its fine but untill then it sucks"

As you can see this new "e-mag" could end up, and will, make us paying for things that we otherwise would have gotten free have it not been for Qore.

If you read this and are uppset, mad, or have questions please feel to ask.

Links:

Qore Blog - http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/06/03/introducing-qore-taking-you-behind-the-curtain-with-playstation/

Mine and Others comments on the blog - http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/06/03/introducing-qore-taking-you-behind-the-curtain-with-playstation/comment-page-10/#comments

Thank You for your time.

Well, people is always saying that they wouldn't mind paying if that makes the PSN experience better... and now that we'll have to pay, people starts like "omg, now we'll have to pay, that sux"

Great!

I find it quite odd how some people are so vocal and saying that Sony has to do things for gamers. Sony does things, sometimes based on what is or is not feasible -- perhaps from an implementation point of view -- and if you don't like it, don't get a PS3. There was a time when what you buy is what you get and the idea of updates that improve what you bought was unheard of...some companies even adopted a system where you needed to pay more to get updates. We're getting updates, bug fixes, enhancements, etc. for "free" after having initially paid for the system.

I hope Sony just does what they want to do (as with Microsoft and Nintendo) and based on what they do, we decide whether or not we should buy their system. Imagine buying a new car and expecting to getting upgrades for free during its lifetime...I think some gamers should relax a bit... I'm just happy there aren't any bugs in what we bought...how many times have I lost work, essays, etc. due to software problems...

"people is always saying that they wouldn't mind paying if that makes the PSN experience better"

In all the time ive ever been on forums i have never heard that till supporters of Qore started using that excuse. But I guess their just the ones that feel that way anyway. Also the money that comes from this will be miniscule compared to the amont of money Sony's raking in, there really is no change exept for live news, that would be posted online anyway (and is just promotions for their new games...were paying for their commercails Yay), and betas, ok that is the only thing really new coming.

I think its crap. One of the main selling points for the PS3 is that the online is free and we still get access to some premium content. Qore ruins that aspect of the PS3's online. What's next, paying for home?hillelslovak

I'm with you.

I find it quite odd how some people are so vocal and saying that Sony has to do things for gamers. Sony does things, sometimes based on what is or is not feasible -- perhaps from an implementation point of view -- and if you don't like it, don't get a PS3. There was a time when what you buy is what you get and the idea of updates that improve what you bought was unheard of...some companies even adopted a system where you needed to pay more to get updates. We're getting updates, bug fixes, enhancements, etc. for "free" after having initially paid for the system.

I hope Sony just does what they want to do (as with Microsoft and Nintendo) and based on what they do, we decide whether or not we should buy their system. Imagine buying a new car and expecting to getting upgrades for free during its lifetime...I think some gamers should relax a bit... I'm just happy there aren't any bugs in what we bought...how many times have I lost work, essays, etc. due to software problems...

rayjapan

Well thats true, if i did buy a new car i wouldn't expect to get free updates, i would however like it to be fixed if it was broke, ie bugs, and if you have lost said things do to software issues from your pc (or whatever) i would check for updates(btw, there usally free...depending on the provider). And as you say yes there was a time were we got a system and that was it, that time has past and now were expecting better from technology.

actually if it wasnt on core it would be in the no longer existing PSM.. Its not even headed by sony... nice rant tho-DeStijl-

Really? i didnot know this, who is the head of this. Also as said, if it wasn't for Qore it would not exist, so your saying that if not for Qore there wouldn't be, oh say a SOCOM theme? or some add-on game content that was already made would have never been? (example: SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Secret Agent Clank, Soul Calibur 4 and Afro Samurai, wouldn't have some "exclusive" content)

BTW qore doesnt MAKE you do anything. And if you can just get the info else where why are you crying?-DeStijl-

Well theres going to be a lot of people who want this "esclusive" material, as well as myself, and now we have to pay just to pay for it.

Without knowing what the content is or how much this will help get money to developers, I don't think its fair to just assume that all of the things you'll get with Qore would also have made it to PSN had Qore not existed for a fee.

Just my two cents.

Without knowing what the content is or how much this will help get money to developers, I don't think its fair to just assume that all of the things you'll get with Qore would also have made it to PSN had Qore not existed for a fee.

Just my two cents.

The_Rick_14

I dont think that ALL the content would have been put on the PSN (betas for example). And valid point, but saying that all content that is on qore was just made for it and would have never existed really just doesnt make much sense.

Id pay 2.99 to get into SOCOM beta alone... so why gripe?-DeStijl-

would you pay $3.00 for a demo that would have been free? Would you put out $25 a year for new themes? Would you pay money to then have to buy a Add-on?

So is Rev3 involved in any way? Or are you working for both Rev3 and Sony's Playstation unit now?

Nope! Rev3 is not involved in any way. Technically, I work for Future US, the publishers of such magazines as Playstation: The Official Magazine, PC Gamer, and MacLife. I am not a Sony employee!-DeStijl-

Who said anything about Rev3? and who asked if you were involved?

[QUOTE="The_Rick_14"]

Without knowing what the content is or how much this will help get money to developers, I don't think its fair to just assume that all of the things you'll get with Qore would also have made it to PSN had Qore not existed for a fee.

Just my two cents.

TheSonOfUgly

I dont think that ALL the content would have been put on the PSN (betas for example). And valid point, but saying that all content that is on qore was just made for it and would have never existed really just doesnt make much sense.

Well looking at the betas, they wouldn't be open to such a large group without Qore so I consider that a little different.

And without knowing what content will actually be on Qore, I don't think we can assume that the content on Qore would have ended up on the PSN store. For example, one of the items I saw in the video on the PS Blog about Qore was a comic like thing for Star Wars. That definitely would not have made it to PSN. Just an example.

[QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"][QUOTE="The_Rick_14"]

Without knowing what the content is or how much this will help get money to developers, I don't think its fair to just assume that all of the things you'll get with Qore would also have made it to PSN had Qore not existed for a fee.

Just my two cents.

The_Rick_14

I dont think that ALL the content would have been put on the PSN (betas for example). And valid point, but saying that all content that is on qore was just made for it and would have never existed really just doesnt make much sense.

Well looking at the betas, they wouldn't be open to such a large group without Qore so I consider that a little different.

And without knowing what content will actually be on Qore, I don't think we can assume that the content on Qore would have ended up on the PSN store. For example, one of the items I saw in the video on the PS Blog about Qore was a comic like thing for Star Wars. That definitely would not have made it to PSN. Just an example.

Yes the betas are great, love the idea of them personally, but y not and them to the PSN? make a file right above demos and call it good.

And true there are some new things coming that we havent seen before with this, thats great but when it comes to throwing in the exclusive add-on, demos, themes (all of which are posted in the blog) and not letting the people who have PSN pay, sorry but that could be the start of just putting the good stuff on qore and throwing the leftover crap onto the PSN.

[QUOTE="TheSonOfUgly"][QUOTE="The_Rick_14"]

Without knowing what the content is or how much this will help get money to developers, I don't think its fair to just assume that all of the things you'll get with Qore would also have made it to PSN had Qore not existed for a fee.

Just my two cents.

The_Rick_14

I dont think that ALL the content would have been put on the PSN (betas for example). And valid point, but saying that all content that is on qore was just made for it and would have never existed really just doesnt make much sense.

Well looking at the betas, they wouldn't be open to such a large group without Qore so I consider that a little different.

That was what PSU's G.A.P was for anyways. It just basically killed one of the main purposes of that whole program that was invite only btw.

Whining little ninny. We are getting spoiled. Get over it. Want to feed the addiction? Pay the money just like all of the other junkies. Thanks bye.Pliskinsonus

Ok, Bye-Bye. Thanks for stopping by, its been a pleasure.

You dont know that the demo's would have been released at all or what demos will be released or what content for that matter.. So far what i have seen offers way more than a magazine could and will go beyond what sony still offers for free, if you cant aford the payment get a job.. 3.00 a month or 25 a year is not that demanding... Are you 12 or something?-DeStijl-

Um, doesn't a magazine cost more than that? Don't throw insults when you don't even know what you're talking about. Sit down and drink a tall glass of shut up juice.

You dont know that the demo's would have been released at all or what demos will be released or what content for that matter.. So far what i have seen offers way more than a magazine could and will go beyond what sony still offers for free, if you cant aford the payment get a job.. 3.00 a month or 25 a year is not that demanding... Are you 12 or something?-DeStijl-

Really? i didnot know this, who is the head of this. Also as said, if it wasn't for Qore it would not exist, so your saying that if not for Qore there wouldn't be, oh say a SOCOM theme? or some add-on game content that was already made would have never been? (example: SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Secret Agent Clank, Soul Calibur 4 and Afro Samurai, wouldn't have some "exclusive" content)

and its about the principle, there gonna have us pay for this, then what else are they going to put a price tag on?

Oh and im not 12

a mag may cost more than 3.00 but qore doesnt...... qore is what im talking about, but you sir?-DeStijl-

Don't you even know what you post..??

So far what i have seen offers way more than a magazine could and will go beyond what sony still offers for free, if you cant aford the payment get a job.. 3.00 a month or 25 a year is not that demanding... Are you 12 or something-DeStijl-

The content would be there but would probably be published by Future US, the publishers of such magazines as Playstation: The Official Magazine, PC Gamer, and MacLife instead of directly on the PS3.-DeStijl-

Yeah that may be true. But what Qore offers is nothing but crap that should be free. Plus also, I feel I would get a lot more out of a mag than a 15 minute episode that I pay for just to see Sony commercials. If I wanted insider stuff, I would get a Limited Edition of that game or watch it on the net or something. Most of the content it offers aside from the demos and such, can be found for free on the net. So the whole purpose of Qore defeats itself. It's very existence doesn't even make sense. If they wanted a pay service, they could've done a lot better than what they're trying to sell now. They've got to make people want to get it. But anybody that sees that this is just pure BS won't even touch it. It's not the fact that it's 3 or 25 bucks. It's about what it is, what it offers. It's just plain stupid.

there is still suppose to be free content. None of that has changed, they are just charging for the "exclusive" content.. we will see what happens in the next few weeks. But i dout Qore would have stoped the free BDZ demo or any third party demo for that matter.-DeStijl-

And thats exactly what im talking about. That exclusive content that would have been on a free service.

Basically it sounds that we will end up with a "Silver"+"Gold" account same as on LIVE,The Gold account being the Qore one that you'll have to pay for and probrably the rest of us left with basic account will just be able to do basic things.

I only hope online play won't be restricted to Qore account?

i said a mag cost more than 3.00, core cost about 3.00. what are you confused about?-DeStijl-

You're the one confused LOL Again, READ YOUR POST

So funny to hear the Sony fanboys defending being charged for demo's that would've otherwise been free. Microsoft doesn't even charge for demo's. Sure Microsoft charges $49.99 a year for Xbox Live, but it really shows with the service you get. Qore is a sad step towards PSN users being charged for stuff that really should be free. And for those saying Sony aint in charge they are in charge it's their freakin online service so I'm sure they're getting a chunk of change some how out of this Qore thing. If Sony wanted to keep things free and standard like it is currently with PSN then they should atleast enforce Qore not to be selling demos and betas which essentially is what they're doing gamer082009

I haven't seen a full length annual subscription for a magazine before either... although this is what Qore essentially is, only it's much better and you can watch it... in HD. We defend it on the basis that it is optional and the freebies that come with it are very zine oriented (demo disks anyone?). It's very sad that this discussion is being had. Quore really has nothing to do with the actual network. It is only a part of the overall package. Think of it like you Microsoft guys paying an additional fee for some full length HD episodes on Live which already costs some good money. We have the option of participating and meanwhile, the network is free and will function as normally as it ever has. I'm really looking forward to Quore. I have a knack for picking out a quality product when advertised.

Basically it sounds that we will end up with a "Silver"+"Gold" account same as on LIVE,The Gold account being the Qore one that you'll have to pay for and probrably the rest of us left with basic account will just be able to do basic things.

I only hope online play won't be restricted to Qore account?

sizzlingdviper

I have a feeling that's where the good PS1 games are going to go lol

If they have a firmware update exclusive to Qore, then I'll be pissed. But I don't think they're stupid enough to pull that.

Basically it sounds that we will end up with a "Silver"+"Gold" account same as on LIVE,The Gold account being the Qore one that you'll have to pay for and probrably the rest of us left with basic account will just be able to do basic things.

I only hope online play won't be restricted to Qore account?

sizzlingdviper

exept for we most likly wont ever see some of the content

and hopefully theyll never put a restriction on paying for online, but if this survives they could do anything

[QUOTE="gamer082009"]So funny to hear the Sony fanboys defending being charged for demo's that would've otherwise been free. Microsoft doesn't even charge for demo's. Sure Microsoft charges $49.99 a year for Xbox Live, but it really shows with the service you get. Qore is a sad step towards PSN users being charged for stuff that really should be free. And for those saying Sony aint in charge they are in charge it's their freakin online service so I'm sure they're getting a chunk of change some how out of this Qore thing. If Sony wanted to keep things free and standard like it is currently with PSN then they should atleast enforce Qore not to be selling demos and betas which essentially is what they're doing Pliskinsonus

I haven't seen a full length annual subscription for a magazine before either... although this is what Qore essentially is, only it's much better and you can watch it... in HD. We defend it on the basis that it is optional and the freebies that come with it are very zine oriented (demo disks anyone?). It's very sad that this discussion is being had. Quore really has nothing to do with the actual network. It is only a part of the overall package. Think of it like you Microsoft guys paying an additional fee for some full length HD episodes on Live which already costs some good money. We have the option of participating and meanwhile, the network is free and will function as normally as it ever has. I'm really looking forward to Quore. I have a knack for picking out a quality product when advertised.

finally a level headed gamer chimes in.

[QUOTE="sizzlingdviper"]

Basically it sounds that we will end up with a "Silver"+"Gold" account same as on LIVE,The Gold account being the Qore one that you'll have to pay for and probrably the rest of us left with basic account will just be able to do basic things.

I only hope online play won't be restricted to Qore account?

TheSonOfUgly

exept for we most likly wont ever see some of the content

and hopefully theyll never put a restriction on paying for online, but if this survives they could do anything

It's a bit of the "what's next if they can do this?" fear. Which I feel a bit of myself. If it gets too far, I'll just rely on my PC to play online like how my online gaming "life" began in the first place.

You guys are wrong... Qore isn't replacing PSN in anyway. Imagine Qore as being an online magazine like OPM. It's basically like going out and buying an issue of OPM and getting the bonus DVD they give you. The exclusive features are only going to be there anyways so it's basically like giving you an option to buy an online magazine and sometimes getting bonus content.Liquid-Prince

exactly but this guy insists it would all be free content if it werent for qore... and with no facts to support his statement he fails..