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#1 trudefisk
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Just found this article about racism in Online-gaming.. This is mainly about Xbox live, but it concern us too. I just though that I'd like to post it cause I feel like having fun while playing my favorite games, not hearing anyone yelling at some guy because of some &%##&/%/ accent.
GAMERS TAKE ACTION!

Please read this and keep this thread bumped:)

Racism in gaming is no laughing matter

Over the past few months gamers have been noticing an ever-increasing amount of racism and ethic slurs in games such as COD4 and Halo 3. It's getting to the point where you can't even say hi to people in a lobby without being berated by so called "gamers" for your accent. And it doesn't stop there. People are reporting that they are being given bad feedback or having complaints filed against them by gamers in lobbies based on the simple fact that they are from a particular country.

So what are the causes for the increasing amount of smack talk and discrimination in the gaming scene? Is it because of the huge influx of inexperienced players joining Xbox live? Or is it that competition simply brings out the worst in peoples nature? It's neither. The fact of the matter is that it's uneducated, bigoted, low life's who have no concept of the world around them and take no pride in their gaming. So as gamers what can we do about this epidemic? Microsoft obviously can't police it as their complaints system is inadequate and non-transparent. And spending your time avoiding players not only takes the fun out of on-line gaming, but doesn't seem to even work correctly. The answer is naming and shaming these people. As gamers it is up to us to take control of our actions and create the environment that we want to play in. If you run a gaming website or you forum on the many fine clan sites out there, make a thread about the offending clan or person who is bringing disrepute to our community. The more good gamers who know about these people the better. We can shame these people into submission because you come across them all the time in your favourite games.

As gamers we're all intrinsically interlinked and share a common connection, that being the love of gaming. We are bigger and better than racial slurs or ethnic beating. Enough is enough guys, If you even feel you are being discriminated against just because of where you are from or the way you talk, report that gamer to Xbox live and make it known on your local forums who the clan or offender is. It's up to us to own this problem and start doing something about it.

LINK for a easier read: http://www.nextgg.com/Racism-in-gaming-is-no-laughing-matter.html
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#2 Udsen
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I hear it a lot in COD4 (PC) and Halo 3.

Some people are just jerks, I mute my mic on 360 because it's not worth going at them. I don't hear much on PSN, possibly because not a lot of people have a headset maybe.

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#3 BoobyUnger
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Im starting to hear it in cod4 to some little redneck could tell from the accent was saying the n word tonnes of times and nothing is done how is that fair to anyone
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#4 zeforgotten
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There's been BIIIG debates going on, on other forums that i read a liiittle more often than this, about the exact same thing. Some good arguments on what to do. but all in all, there's nothing to do about it (other than some guy who got his ass throw in jail because he was saying stuff about blowing up peoples schools.. that was awesome. freaking idiot)
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I hear it a lot in COD4 (PC) and Halo 3.

Some people are just jerks, I mute my mic on 360 because it's not worth going at them. I don't hear much on PSN, possibly because not a lot of people have a headset maybe.

Udsen

it happens on the ps3, but no where near as the same frequency as the 360...but I agree...people are just jerks...

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#6 Udsen
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We as gamers face two major epidemics. The first, is mass media belittling our hobby. The second, gamers giving them a reason to.
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#7 thekodaman
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Hehe, most English people can't understand me properly because I have Geordie accent. The mainlanders and Americans have no chance of understanding what I say =p
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#8 SOedipus
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That's why I don't play R6V online anymore.
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#9 jdmb13
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i would say age also comes into play. and im sure more younger kids dont have ps3's.
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#10 hermes200
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We as gamers face two major epidemics. The first, is mass media belittling our hobby. The second, gamers giving them a reason to. Udsen
Agree with you.
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#11 Sokol4ever
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It's an interesting article, however are you aware that ever since the days of online gaming that was given birth by PC's this issue has been present?

There are literally hundreds of such topic all over the Internet but I don't see a positive solution coming out any time soon. Compare to what is going on in life around us I highly doubt "proper" authorities would jump right into the wagon of problem solving over some immature kid whos parents didn't educated properly and stop him from mindlessly saying the F*** word?

If that was the case, it would had been done years ago. We do have admin privileges in most online games today and it work to some extent if you have a good person behind it, but it's being abused to no end as well.

This issue will not simple be resolved by just "bumping" this topic and in all honestly we, regular players don't have power to do such changes either. We can contribute and help by being adequate and polite when we play online, but how many do, and how do you change free speech with no consequences or any kind of monitoring?

Another note, this are PS3 forums where we discuss PS3 games, issues such as this one indeed concern us as gamers, but it's out of place to be put as a sticky or or even a "bump".

Your own blog would be the best choice.

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#12 trudefisk
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YEAh guys, But theres one thing we can do.. Wek can spread the word cause i think that many of the freaking idiots know what they're doing. And i know that almost every one want to have fun while playing so keep the thread bumped, I don't want psn to turn into some xbox live "&%#
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#13 trudefisk
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We as gamers face two major epidemics. The first, is mass media belittling our hobby. The second, gamers giving them a reason to. Udsen


NICE point!
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#15 Andrew_Xavier
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I've never heard any racist type stuff on Warhawk or any other PSN game,
it's rampant on the 360, but, you know...different audience.
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#16 Sokol4ever
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YEAh guys, But theres one thing we can do.. Wek can spread the word cause i think that many of the freaking idiots know what they're doing. And i know that almost every one want to have fun while playing so keep the thread bumped, I don't want psn to turn into some xbox live "&%#
trudefisk

I admire your efforts bud, if there were more online gamers with such positive thinking world web in games would be a great place to be.

Maybe one day :)

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#17 emitsu97
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Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

SentryGunner411

All those words in the TC's post and all you pick up is Halo 3? :|

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#19 Udsen
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Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

SentryGunner411

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a case example of epidemic #2. Note the overuse of question marks, possibly because he feels more question marks make his question more important.

Also, take note of his unsurpassed wit when he calls the topic creator an "idiot", when really the level of irony is unsound.

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[QUOTE="SentryGunner411"]

Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

Udsen

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a case example of epidemic #2. Note the overuse of question marks, possibly because he feels more question marks make his question more important.

Also, take note of his unsurpassed wit when he calls the topic creator an "idiot", when really the level of irony is unsound.

First time a forum post has ever made me literally laugh out loud...I feel dirty...but damn that was funny.

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#22 alfonsorc84
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i hear it a lot in COD4 and RFOM the most
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#23 zeforgotten
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[QUOTE="SentryGunner411"]

Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

Udsen

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a case example of epidemic #2. Note the overuse of question marks, possibly because he feels more question marks make his question more important.

Also, take note of his unsurpassed wit when he calls the topic creator an "idiot", when really the level of irony is unsound.

Good point

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#24 hermes200
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Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

SentryGunner411
Ok... And what is your point, idiot?
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#25 emitsu97
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This ladies in gentleman is a man who will never be laid...

You just got....

SentryGunner411

School must have let out.

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[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="SentryGunner411"]

Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

SentryGunner411

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a case example of epidemic #2. Note the overuse of question marks, possibly because he feels more question marks make his question more important.

Also, take note of his unsurpassed wit when he calls the topic creator an "idiot", when really the level of irony is unsound.

This ladies in gentleman is a man who will never be laid...

You just got....

Yes, because you saying he'll never get laid makes it true :roll:

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#27 SentryGunner411
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[QUOTE="SentryGunner411"]

This ladies in gentleman is a man who will never be laid...

You just got....

emitsu97

School must have let out.

So you think your smarter because your older. LMAO

Is this who I'm talking to....

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[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="SentryGunner411"]

Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

SentryGunner411

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a case example of epidemic #2. Note the overuse of question marks, possibly because he feels more question marks make his question more important.

Also, take note of his unsurpassed wit when he calls the topic creator an "idiot", when really the level of irony is unsound.

This ladies in gentleman is a man who will never be laid...

You just got....


You see folks, when you provoke the test subject, he or she (usually he) will use middle school insults such as "you will never get laid" or "your momma". Apparently people who are smarter than him will never have sex or experience sexual activity. If so, we as a species are doomed.

The best thing to do in this situation is to let it slide. Watching him sling insults from the 1990's are really quite entertaining all in it's own.

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#30 emitsu97
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So you think your smarter because your older. LMAOSentryGunner411

Your posts speak volumes.

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#31 TJSAGE
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These are words we are talking about, over a mic right???

come on people !!!!!!!!!

Its only racisist if you take it to heart and still get offened when people call you names. I got over that in the 3rd grade!!!

But I am white and have been called alot of comments directed towards my race, cracker whatever, and never once did it bother me!!!!

For some reason it only bothers certain ethnicities!!!!

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#32 Keasy4
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well i curse alot but its mostly cause the team kill me all the damn time.. but no racial stuff..
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#33 emitsu97
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These are words we are talking about, over a mic right???

come on people !!!!!!!!!

Its only racisist if you take it to heart and still get offened when people call you names. I got over that in the 3rd grade!!!

But I am white and have been called alot of comments directed towards my race, cracker whatever, and never once did it bother me!!!!

For some reason it only bothers certain ethnicities!!!!

TJSAGE

Try tolerating it from the perspective of a minority. Racism has no direct link to competition, why use it to trash talk?

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#34 spatan11711
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We should put them to shame by posting their names on a forum so others know who to avoid. I know it will not work anyway but it may stop some from spoiling it for others.
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#35 Lilowns
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I always hear racist comments on CoD 4, its such a shame..
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#36 trudefisk
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[QUOTE="SentryGunner411"]

Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

Udsen

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a case example of epidemic #2. Note the overuse of question marks, possibly because he feels more question marks make his question more important.

Also, take note of his unsurpassed wit when he calls the topic creator an "idiot", when really the level of irony is unsound.



haha, thanks bud:)
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#37 trudefisk
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[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="SentryGunner411"]

Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

SentryGunner411

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a case example of epidemic #2. Note the overuse of question marks, possibly because he feels more question marks make his question more important.

Also, take note of his unsurpassed wit when he calls the topic creator an "idiot", when really the level of irony is unsound.

This ladies in gentleman is a man who will never be laid...

You just got....


please, could you please just check the topic again:)
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#38 Udsen
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We should put them to shame by posting their names on a forum so others know who to avoid. I know it will not work anyway but it may stop some from spoiling it for others.spatan11711

That's actually not a bad idea.

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#39 hermes200
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These are words we are talking about, over a mic right???

come on people !!!!!!!!!

Its only racisist if you take it to heart and still get offened when people call you names. I got over that in the 3rd grade!!!

But I am white and have been called alot of comments directed towards my race, cracker whatever, and never once did it bother me!!!!

For some reason it only bothers certain ethnicities!!!! TJSAGE

You have a point there, it is only effective as an insult if you get offended by it. Problem is, most people found identified by it found it offensive, so it obviously aimed to insulting them...

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#40 trudefisk
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[QUOTE="SentryGunner411"][QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="SentryGunner411"]

Halo 3?

Is coming to PS3???? NO?

Then why is this idiot talking about Halo 3 on the PS3 boards?

Udsen

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is a case example of epidemic #2. Note the overuse of question marks, possibly because he feels more question marks make his question more important.

Also, take note of his unsurpassed wit when he calls the topic creator an "idiot", when really the level of irony is unsound.

This ladies in gentleman is a man who will never be laid...

You just got....


You see folks, when you provoke the test subject, he or she (usually he) will use middle school insults such as "you will never get laid" or "your momma". Apparently people who are smarter than him will never have sex or experience sexual activity. If so, we as a species are doomed.

The best thing to do in this situation is to let it slide. Watching him sling insults from the 1990's are really quite entertaining all in it's own.




HAAAAAAAAAHAHAH! :D
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#41 trudefisk
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These are words we are talking about, over a mic right???

come on people !!!!!!!!!

Its only racisist if you take it to heart and still get offened when people call you names. I got over that in the 3rd grade!!!

But I am white and have been called alot of comments directed towards my race, cracker whatever, and never once did it bother me!!!!

For some reason it only bothers certain ethnicities!!!!

TJSAGE


hey man, i see you point, but i dont agree with you.. I mean If you're being called cracker or whatever good for you that you didn't care.. But if u take a look on the other post in this thread you'll see that many ppl are concerned. I've myself have never been called anything, but i also see that theres many ppl out there that don't want to play cause they look different and get shamed on the web (we hear it all the time and only that makes me sick)... .... I mean we love playing games, and ppl who love playing games should be able to play games without being called cracker or whatever.
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#42 trudefisk
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We should put them to shame by posting their names on a forum so others know who to avoid. I know it will not work anyway but it may stop some from spoiling it for others.spatan11711


OH, thats a quite good idea:)

Do u think GS would support such a thread?

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#43 emitsu97
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OH, thats a quite good idea:)

Do u think GS would support such a thread?trudefisk

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

No. (to the GS support part)

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#44 Trogeton
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Well that is something that the people over live can't really handle, because even though not many would admit it, some one has told someone something rude or racial or just plain cruel.. but that is just what happens online.. no one can really control that.. and that is more proof that there are more adults online.. because I noticed that some kids don't use profanity because their parents disapproves of it, but hey if you are going to play online... then you better get use to these kind of words.. because there is nothing you or the online testers can really do about it.. without getting the courts involved, but either way that wouldn't help anything in the long run:?
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#45 Rhetorix
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Haha ummm yea i dont think the solution to the problem is going to be making them famous on some website... but who knows
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#46 FireNForget
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[QUOTE="TJSAGE"]

These are words we are talking about, over a mic right???

come on people !!!!!!!!!

Its only racisist if you take it to heart and still get offened when people call you names. I got over that in the 3rd grade!!!

But I am white and have been called alot of comments directed towards my race, cracker whatever, and never once did it bother me!!!!

For some reason it only bothers certain ethnicities!!!!

emitsu97


Try tolerating it from the perspective of a minority. Racism has no direct link to competition, why use it to trash talk?



I agree, there's just no place for it in a public venue where people are trying to have a good time. Those that can't behave themselves should stick to offline gaming or to LAN gaming.



[QUOTE="spatan11711"]We should put them to shame by posting their names on a forum so others know who to avoid. I know it will not work anyway but it may stop some from spoiling it for others.Udsen


That's actually not a bad idea.



It is a good idea. There's too little accountability online; some people feel they can do whatever they want because there are no consequences.

Furthermore, most of the offenders seem to be youngsters. I think PSN should require more rigorous parental controls for minors to get online, and if the kids misbehave, a warning should go out to their parent's email addresses.

Lastly, every game should have a "vote to kick" feature:)

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#47 trudefisk
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Haha ummm yea i dont think the solution to the problem is going to be making them famous on some website... but who knows Rhetorix



No probably not, but it maybe would contribute to making onlinegames a little nicer:)
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#48 spatan11711
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yeah true but then we do know who to avoid
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#49 henry4th
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We as gamers face two major epidemics. The first, is mass media belittling our hobby. The second, gamers giving them a reason to. Udsen

Wise and smart you are. Lots of gamers give the media reasons to bash us.

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#50 DrummerShane12
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[QUOTE="TJSAGE"]

These are words we are talking about, over a mic right???

come on people !!!!!!!!!

Its only racisist if you take it to heart and still get offened when people call you names. I got over that in the 3rd grade!!!

But I am white and have been called alot of comments directed towards my race, cracker whatever, and never once did it bother me!!!!

For some reason it only bothers certain ethnicities!!!!

trudefisk



hey man, i see you point, but i dont agree with you.. I mean If you're being called cracker or whatever good for you that you didn't care.. But if u take a look on the other post in this thread you'll see that many ppl are concerned. I've myself have never been called anything, but i also see that theres many ppl out there that don't want to play cause they look different and get shamed on the web (we hear it all the time and only that makes me sick)... .... I mean we love playing games, and ppl who love playing games should be able to play games without being called cracker or whatever.

If someone making fun of you over a game hurts your feelings then you have insecurity issues, im not saying its ok , but its not a big deal , yes its wrong but if you let it get to you then ou are letting them WIN and its not even A big deal,

ok maybe that sounds bad but if someone is harasing you , you have the right to complain about him/her or take action ,...if it bothers you so much do something about it, call sony or whatever and complain that said person was harrasing you if it gets too bad...if not then it isnt a big deal obviously if you arent going to do anything about it...