Hey so I gather from reading all the recent posts that sony is taking out a chip that allows the PS3 to have the backwards compatibility, but instead installing an emulator that will still allow the future PS3's backwards compatibility, mainly to cut costs. What does this mean to us folks who have the expensive PS3? Are there going to be things the old ps3's cant do??
Hey so I gather from reading all the recent posts that sony is taking out a chip that allows the PS3 to have the backwards compatibility, but instead installing an emulator that will still allow the future PS3's backwards compatibility, mainly to cut costs. What does this mean to us folks who have the expensive PS3? Are there going to be things the old ps3's cant do??tonyandsteff
no, they will just stop using the emotion engine, and use emulation. just cause its there, doesnt mean they have to use it. soon it will all be done by emulation, so they can upscale
so basically with the old ps3 style with the emotion chip, you cant upscale?
is that what you're saying, because thats what im hearing, and seeing on the other posts that are slowly coming out as well... if thats the case i am going to be MAD... will sony change out the chips if you send your ps3 in???
so basically with the old ps3 style with the emotion chip, you cant upscale?
is that what you're saying, because thats what im hearing, and seeing on the other posts that are slowly coming out as well... if thats the case i am going to be MAD... will sony change out the chips if you send your ps3 in???
tonyandsteff
lets try this again, even though ours have EE in them, they will stop routing the PS2/1 games through it, and just use emulation instead. the EE was there to give us BC until the emulation thing is worked out.
I am hoping that the update will allow for some games (hence the once that would not be compatible with the software solution) to go through the EE........... would be interesting to see reactions if some old games suddenly doesn't work anymore.......
[QUOTE="svenskamerikan"]I am hoping that the update will allow for some games (hence the once that would not be compatible with the software solution) to go through the EE........... would be interesting to see reactions if some old games suddenly doesn't work anymore....... they will be updating the emulation OFTEN, so thats hardly a concern
My friend told me "but the EE might be worth like 20$ now, so where's the deal for them?" I told him "Sony sold less than 3 millions so far, if they ever get close to what they sold for the previous Playstations, then 20$ * 100 millions makes a lot of money that could be saved.
Even if the emulator can upscale and the EE can't, a firmware update can install the emulator on every EE equipped PS3, so even the old models would have the same advantages.
[QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="svenskamerikan"]I am hoping that the update will allow for some games (hence the once that would not be compatible with the software solution) to go through the EE........... would be interesting to see reactions if some old games suddenly doesn't work anymore....... they will be updating the emulation OFTEN, so thats hardly a concern We all saw what happened when Microsoft promised that....
[QUOTE="jamesmck486"][QUOTE="Gzus666"][QUOTE="svenskamerikan"]I am hoping that the update will allow for some games (hence the once that would not be compatible with the software solution) to go through the EE........... would be interesting to see reactions if some old games suddenly doesn't work anymore....... they will be updating the emulation OFTEN, so thats hardly a concern We all saw what happened when Microsoft promised that....
Sony is not microsoft. They had problems with BC at launch even with the EE chip, and now it's fixed. The big difference in that matter is that the PS2 was MUCH more popular than the X-Box, so it is a bigger deal.
Just in general Sony has been updating BC on the PS3 with almost evry update so far for improved compatability, I suspect that until the newer Euro systems reach a close match with systems that use the EE here in the US that our Firmware will have a different set of features or they'll simply keep two seperate firmware lists and the people with EEs will continue to use them unabated.
I doubt that just because we use the EE that it would keep the games from ever being upscaled.
Just in general Sony has been updating BC on the PS3 with almost evry update so far for improved compatability, I suspect that until the newer Euro systems reach a close match with systems that use the EE here in the US that our Firmware will have a different set of features or they'll simply keep two seperate firmware lists and the people with EEs will continue to use them unabated.
I doubt that just because we use the EE that it would keep the games from ever being upscaled.Alpha2
well, your doubts would be wrong. the EE obviously cant upscale, or the PS2 could easlily upscale. why would they waste all that time to make 2 seperate firmware updates? second of all, they are removing the EE chip from ALL ps3's american or otherwise in april, and completely changing to emulation. europe is getting 1000 titles at launch, chances are all the major hits. anything beyond that is a firmware update away, and im sure someone is just waiting to play echo the dolphin 2, or mary kate and ashley olsens sweet 16 games, but those will have to wait
I've read through this post but there's still one thing that's not clear to me...
Let's say I have a PS3 right now. When the EE chips are removed in April and they start using emulation, does this mean that games are no longer using my EE chip? So if 2000 games are playable now on my PS3 and soon only 1000 games... will I be able to play the 2000 original games with my chip or does this mean that every PS3 from launch will be playing through the emulator (1000 games)?Â
I've read through this post but there's still one thing that's not clear to me...
Let's say I have a PS3 right now. When the EE chips are removed in April and they start using emulation, does this mean that games are no longer using my EE chip? So if 2000 games are playable now on my PS3 and soon only 1000 games... will I be able to play the 2000 original games with my chip or does this mean that every PS3 from launch will be playing through the emulator (1000 games)?Â
The figures could be off, but you get the point. oldskooler79
yes, and i did make that clear in one of my posts "lets try this again, even though ours have EE in them, they will stop routing the PS2/1 games through it, and just use emulation instead. the EE was there to give us BC until the emulation thing is worked out. " ^that was my post from earlier
[QUOTE="Gzus666"]yes, and i did make that clear in one of my posts "lets try this again, even though ours have EE in them, they will stop routing the PS2/1 games through it, and just use emulation instead. the EE was there to give us BC until the emulation thing is worked out. " ^that was my post from earlier
Thank you. I assumed this is what you meant but I had to be sure.
i'd rather have the EE-less ps3, 1080i ps2 games, its lighter, also if you haev the launch ps3, the firmware update will just render the EE chip useless in time, so itll just be a paper weight in your ps3 making it heavier, and probably hotter.
i'd rather have the EE-less ps3, 1080i ps2 games, its lighter, also if you haev the launch ps3, the firmware update will just render the EE chip useless in time, so itll just be a paper weight in your ps3 making it heavier, and probably hotter.davez82
well, you were right about the emulation part, a chip doesnt weigh but a half a gram or so, so its not making your system heavier, and they wont run the EE chip when emulation comes, so it will have no bearing on heat production
so basically with the old ps3 style with the emotion chip, you cant upscale?
is that what you're saying, because thats what im hearing, and seeing on the other posts that are slowly coming out as well... if thats the case i am going to be MAD... will sony change out the chips if you send your ps3 in???
Gzus666
lets try this again, even though ours have EE in them, they will stop routing the PS2/1 games through it, and just use emulation instead. the EE was there to give us BC until the emulation thing is worked out. That would suck though since early adopters have nearly full backwards capacity. Re-routing games around the chip would break alot of games wouldn't it?
so basically with the old ps3 style with the emotion chip, you cant upscale?
is that what you're saying, because thats what im hearing, and seeing on the other posts that are slowly coming out as well... if thats the case i am going to be MAD... will sony change out the chips if you send your ps3 in???
killfooler
lets try this again, even though ours have EE in them, they will stop routing the PS2/1 games through it, and just use emulation instead. the EE was there to give us BC until the emulation thing is worked out. That would suck though since early adopters have nearly full backwards capacity. Re-routing games around the chip would break alot of games wouldn't it? break a lot of games? you lost me, they are having 1000 major PS1/2 titles at europe launch with the emulation. by the time they have everyone using it, could be easily up in the high 90% range of all the games they made.
so basically with the old ps3 style with the emotion chip, you cant upscale?
is that what you're saying, because thats what im hearing, and seeing on the other posts that are slowly coming out as well... if thats the case i am going to be MAD... will sony change out the chips if you send your ps3 in???
Gzus666
lets try this again, even though ours have EE in them, they will stop routing the PS2/1 games through it, and just use emulation instead. the EE was there to give us BC until the emulation thing is worked out. That would suck though since early adopters have nearly full backwards capacity. Re-routing games around the chip would break alot of games wouldn't it? break a lot of games? you lost me, they are having 1000 major PS1/2 titles at europe launch with the emulation. by the time they have everyone using it, could be easily up in the high 90% range of all the games they made. That's cool and all. I was just wondering if there's that ONE kid out there who has a copy of Barbie's Horse Race and LOVES it... if one day she'll be playing it and enjoying it, then have it not work after an update. That would not go over well... by principle if nothing else. It would be the first time an "upgrade" made your system LESS robust.
so basically with the old ps3 style with the emotion chip, you cant upscale?
is that what you're saying, because thats what im hearing, and seeing on the other posts that are slowly coming out as well... if thats the case i am going to be MAD... will sony change out the chips if you send your ps3 in???
killfooler
lets try this again, even though ours have EE in them, they will stop routing the PS2/1 games through it, and just use emulation instead. the EE was there to give us BC until the emulation thing is worked out. That would suck though since early adopters have nearly full backwards capacity. Re-routing games around the chip would break alot of games wouldn't it? break a lot of games? you lost me, they are having 1000 major PS1/2 titles at europe launch with the emulation. by the time they have everyone using it, could be easily up in the high 90% range of all the games they made. That's cool and all. I was just wondering if there's that ONE kid out there who has a copy of Barbie's Horse Race and LOVES it... if one day she'll be playing it and enjoying it, then have it not work after an update. That would not go over well... by principle if nothing else. It would be the first time an "upgrade" made your system LESS robust. im willing to trade the use of Barbies Horse race, for upscaling of some of the great PS2 games. most little girls dont buy a PS3, since it has no kiddy games for it, they would just buy or keep their PS2 for that. its blown way out of proportion, and really not that important, most will only be playing GoW2, FF12, and maybe Manhunt 2
so basically with the old ps3 style with the emotion chip, you cant upscale?
is that what you're saying, because thats what im hearing, and seeing on the other posts that are slowly coming out as well... if thats the case i am going to be MAD... will sony change out the chips if you send your ps3 in???
Gzus666
lets try this again, even though ours have EE in them, they will stop routing the PS2/1 games through it, and just use emulation instead. the EE was there to give us BC until the emulation thing is worked out. That would suck though since early adopters have nearly full backwards capacity. Re-routing games around the chip would break alot of games wouldn't it? break a lot of games? you lost me, they are having 1000 major PS1/2 titles at europe launch with the emulation. by the time they have everyone using it, could be easily up in the high 90% range of all the games they made. That's cool and all. I was just wondering if there's that ONE kid out there who has a copy of Barbie's Horse Race and LOVES it... if one day she'll be playing it and enjoying it, then have it not work after an update. That would not go over well... by principle if nothing else. It would be the first time an "upgrade" made your system LESS robust. im willing to trade the use of Barbies Horse race, for upscaling of some of the great PS2 games. most little girls dont buy a PS3, since it has no kiddy games for it, they would just buy or keep their PS2 for that. its blown way out of proportion, and really not that important, most will only be playing GoW2, FF12, and maybe Manhunt 2 I understand what you're saying. It probably IS being blown way out of proportion in the media. It still doens't make sense to cripple a perfectly good BC solution just to be able to upscale old games. It would be ideal to reroute games that are supported by the emulator and allow the other titles to opt through the EE if it isn't supported. That way, early adopters are rewarded instead of penalized. It really boils down to principle for me.
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