SCE should fire kaz hirai (edit)

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#1 imayellowfellow
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alrite, maybe not that extreme but sony needs to totally restructure their executive structure, these guys are part of the past, and they refuse to change to constantly changing video game industry. They still have that arrogance and they refuse to admit they've been making mistakes with the ps3,

as a playstation 3 owcner i am getting constantly mad at the way sony products have been doing (the omplete nickel and diming in playstation home instead of focusing on the social game aspect (i still can't launch into any games except warhawk!?), the lack of advertising and marketing for their OWN first party games (little big planet is a prime example).

honestly in my opinion they should slowly start firing the executives or the people in charge and start replacing them with some fresh new faces

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#2 imayellowfellow
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OOPS i mean kaz hirai, ken kutaragi was already fired... lol
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#3 Ultrabeatdown55
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Didn't Kaz just takeover Phil's job in early 08?
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#4 Scianix-Black
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You don't fire Kaz.

Kaz fires YOU!

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OOPS i mean kaz hirai, ken kutaragi was already fired... lolimayellowfellow
Ken Kutaragi wasn't fired.
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#6 TelcharXI
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I don't mean to sound like a jerk but do you have a business degree, or any previous experience in marketing and finance? If so I'll be quiet from here on out, however we don't know what their financial plans are, especially with the current state of the world economy. Marketing is not cheap, Sony is doing some restructuring currently. Just go to sites like Joystiq and Kotaku, their are a decent amount of articles on Sony and business. We don't exactly know what crosses Kaz's desk or any of the regional leads desks in regards to finances, future plans, current financial decisions. We don't know what decisions they have to make. As far as arrogance goes, what company isn't? The whole purpose of PR is to make your company sound better than the competition and to clean up any mistakes.
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#7 cosmicwave
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[QUOTE="imayellowfellow"]OOPS i mean kaz hirai, ken kutaragi was already fired... lolKuruption84
Ken Kutaragi wasn't fired.

yeah, i think he just stepped down from his position.

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#8 spazzx625
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>yeah, i think he just stepped down from his position.

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He "stepped down" to prevent the embarrassment of being fired. I don't think Hirai is much better, but there isn't anyone else currently in Sony's ranks that I think could fill those shoes anyway.
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#9 MAILER_DAEMON
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OOPS i mean kaz hirai, ken kutaragi was already fired... lolimayellowfellow
Why didn't you edit your post and topic title? :|
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Ken Kuratagi has nothing to do with the business end of Sony or the Playstation. He built all the hardware and whatnot, but as far as products marketed or the products on the PS3, he has nothing to do with it. Even if they did fire Kaz, that isn't going to solve any problem, but only make it worse. Kaz Harai isn't the one who made any of the decisions about the PS3 early on. Sony screwed up by not looking at the market and applied the same strategy as they did with the PS2 with adding in a different format like Blu Ray just as they did with DVD previously. True they should have not gone so high tech because the reason they got a lot of support was because they always had cheaper hardware. That is the reason they became a household name in the first place was because Nintendo went with cartridge.

If you ask me, I think it is more of 3rd parties crap. They say that games are going on X system and then they decide to multiplat. I bet even if the PS3 was on equal footing with the 360 the games would still be multiplat anyway. They would just say instead of selling 5 million on 360 and 2 million on PS3 it would have sold 5 million on each platform.

Most of Sony's first party games are great and there are enough games for everyone. Nobi Nobi Boy, the Punisher shooter game, Heavy Rain, White Knight Chronicles, Twisted Metal, Wardevil Enigma are all 3rd party titles. What is with the whole the PS3 is going to end up like Dreamcast when it isn't. Let me explain the difference between why the DC failed and the PS3 will succeed.

The DC failed for a number of reasons. When it first came out there were hardware issues and Sega accidently sent Japanese versions of games to other parts of the world. The games that did come out while cool were glitchy. Sega has always been known to push hardware out the door in an unpolished state. They failed quite a bit in the past with Sega CD, 32X, Saturn. Game Gear did ok for awhile but soon went down after about 4 or so years. The Master system failed from a worldwide perspective. When 5 out of 6 systems don't do well, then you have a problem. The Dreamcast had games that were already on the other systems with little enhancements as well. A lot of people were waiting for the other systems to come out, so they held off on buying a set. Sega's online library was crap and didn't last long. With the PS2 not too far away and boasted DVD functionality and backward compatability. Sega couldn't afford to drop the price of the dreamcast and suffered, not to mention the whatever million dollar lawsuit they lost against wal mart or something like that.

The PS3 will succeed because it has already has quite few games that have sold millions of copies like Resistance 1 and 2, Call of Duty 4, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Motorstorm 1, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Heavenly Sword. There have been other games as well that have sold pretty high like Devil May Cry 4, Soul Calibur 4. The whole timed exclusive thing is basically gone. Bioshock 2 is coming to PS3 and 360 at the same time.

I would say Sony isn't doing half bad of job, they went from having people abandoning the system to almost everyone having some game on it. Yes they could use more and better advertising plus a cheaper price just for the heck of it. They have probably the best lineup of 09 so far as of right now. The only games that the 360 has is Star Ocean and Alan Wake pretty much.

The Dreamcast was a last ditch effort to stay competitive and went diwb after the first holiday season. Sega ran out of money and the people's trust went elsewhere. In the end Sony will succeed just not as well as in previous generations. They also have the PSP which does ok in most territories. No one should be fired.

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Ken Kuratagi has nothing to do with the business end of Sony or the Playstation. He built all the hardware and whatnot, but as far as products marketed or the products on the PS3, he has nothing to do with it. Even if they did fire Kaz, that isn't going to solve any problem, but only make it worse. Kaz Harai isn't the one who made any of the decisions about the PS3 early on. Sony screwed up by not looking at the market and applied the same strategy as they did with the PS2 with adding in a different format like Blu Ray just as they did with DVD previously. True they should have not gone so high tech because the reason they got a lot of support was because they always had cheaper hardware. That is the reason they became a household name in the first place was because Nintendo went with cartridge.

If you ask me, I think it is more of 3rd parties crap. They say that games are going on X system and then they decide to multiplat. I bet even if the PS3 was on equal footing with the 360 the games would still be multiplat anyway. They would just say instead of selling 5 million on 360 and 2 million on PS3 it would have sold 5 million on each platform.

Most of Sony's first party games are great and there are enough games for everyone. Nobi Nobi Boy, the Punisher shooter game, Heavy Rain, White Knight Chronicles, Twisted Metal, Wardevil Enigma are all 3rd party titles. What is with the whole the PS3 is going to end up like Dreamcast when it isn't. Let me explain the difference between why the DC failed and the PS3 will succeed.

The DC failed for a number of reasons. When it first came out there were hardware issues and Sega accidently sent Japanese versions of games to other parts of the world. The games that did come out while cool were glitchy. Sega has always been known to push hardware out the door in an unpolished state. They failed quite a bit in the past with Sega CD, 32X, Saturn. Game Gear did ok for awhile but soon went down after about 4 or so years. The Master system failed from a worldwide perspective. When 5 out of 6 systems don't do well, then you have a problem. The Dreamcast had games that were already on the other systems with little enhancements as well. A lot of people were waiting for the other systems to come out, so they held off on buying a set. Sega's online library was crap and didn't last long. With the PS2 not too far away and boasted DVD functionality and backward compatability. Sega couldn't afford to drop the price of the dreamcast and suffered, not to mention the whatever million dollar lawsuit they lost against wal mart or something like that.

The PS3 will succeed because it has already has quite few games that have sold millions of copies like Resistance 1 and 2, Call of Duty 4, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Motorstorm 1, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Heavenly Sword. There have been other games as well that have sold pretty high like Devil May Cry 4, Soul Calibur 4. The whole timed exclusive thing is basically gone. Bioshock 2 is coming to PS3 and 360 at the same time.

I would say Sony isn't doing half bad of job, they went from having people abandoning the system to almost everyone having some game on it. Yes they could use more and better advertising plus a cheaper price just for the heck of it. They have probably the best lineup of 09 so far as of right now. The only games that the 360 has is Star Ocean and Alan Wake pretty much.

The Dreamcast was a last ditch effort to stay competitive and went diwb after the first holiday season. Sega ran out of money and the people's trust went elsewhere. In the end Sony will succeed just not as well as in previous generations. They also have the PSP which does ok in most territories. No one should be fired.

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[QUOTE="gamenerd15"]

Ken Kuratagi has nothing to do with the business end of Sony or the Playstation. He built all the hardware and whatnot, but as far as products marketed or the products on the PS3, he has nothing to do with it. Even if they did fire Kaz, that isn't going to solve any problem, but only make it worse. Kaz Harai isn't the one who made any of the decisions about the PS3 early on. Sony screwed up by not looking at the market and applied the same strategy as they did with the PS2 with adding in a different format like Blu Ray just as they did with DVD previously. True they should have not gone so high tech because the reason they got a lot of support was because they always had cheaper hardware. That is the reason they became a household name in the first place was because Nintendo went with cartridge.

If you ask me, I think it is more of 3rd parties crap. They say that games are going on X system and then they decide to multiplat. I bet even if the PS3 was on equal footing with the 360 the games would still be multiplat anyway. They would just say instead of selling 5 million on 360 and 2 million on PS3 it would have sold 5 million on each platform.

Most of Sony's first party games are great and there are enough games for everyone. Nobi Nobi Boy, the Punisher shooter game, Heavy Rain, White Knight Chronicles, Twisted Metal, Wardevil Enigma are all 3rd party titles. What is with the whole the PS3 is going to end up like Dreamcast when it isn't. Let me explain the difference between why the DC failed and the PS3 will succeed.

The DC failed for a number of reasons. When it first came out there were hardware issues and Sega accidently sent Japanese versions of games to other parts of the world. The games that did come out while cool were glitchy. Sega has always been known to push hardware out the door in an unpolished state. They failed quite a bit in the past with Sega CD, 32X, Saturn. Game Gear did ok for awhile but soon went down after about 4 or so years. The Master system failed from a worldwide perspective. When 5 out of 6 systems don't do well, then you have a problem. The Dreamcast had games that were already on the other systems with little enhancements as well. A lot of people were waiting for the other systems to come out, so they held off on buying a set. Sega's online library was crap and didn't last long. With the PS2 not too far away and boasted DVD functionality and backward compatability. Sega couldn't afford to drop the price of the dreamcast and suffered, not to mention the whatever million dollar lawsuit they lost against wal mart or something like that.

The PS3 will succeed because it has already has quite few games that have sold millions of copies like Resistance 1 and 2, Call of Duty 4, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Motorstorm 1, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Heavenly Sword. There have been other games as well that have sold pretty high like Devil May Cry 4, Soul Calibur 4. The whole timed exclusive thing is basically gone. Bioshock 2 is coming to PS3 and 360 at the same time.

I would say Sony isn't doing half bad of job, they went from having people abandoning the system to almost everyone having some game on it. Yes they could use more and better advertising plus a cheaper price just for the heck of it. They have probably the best lineup of 09 so far as of right now. The only games that the 360 has is Star Ocean and Alan Wake pretty much.

The Dreamcast was a last ditch effort to stay competitive and went diwb after the first holiday season. Sega ran out of money and the people's trust went elsewhere. In the end Sony will succeed just not as well as in previous generations. They also have the PSP which does ok in most territories. No one should be fired.

that's a good one, sir...
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#13 sa10kun
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You don't fire Kaz.

Kaz fires YOU!

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Haha, that was classic.

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#14 imayellowfellow
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well i dont have any problem with Sony having confidence in their console, but saying that the ps3 and sony are the "official" leaders of the industry and they will beat the 360 because it will "outlast" it is just trying to use technicalities to try cover up their mistakes

alrite a 10 year life span thats great for consumers who have already bought a playsattion becuase they get a lot of life out of this console, but by saying they're gonna have 10 years with this thing seems like they're not very urgent to try and make some sweeping changes anytime soon

im not trying to hate on the playstation, ive owned one since early 07, rite around the release of the 80gb sku, and i do enjoy it. but rite now i just feel like sony isnt doing a good one to me the consumer, by trying to nickle and dime me with things like playstation home (which by the way when can i start game launching more games than just WARHAWK, im about the games not dancing with my avatar), and releasing quality titles like littlebigplanet but not supporting it in terms of marketing...

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#15 sa10kun
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well i dont have any problem with Sony having confidence in their console, but saying that the ps3 and sony are the "official" leaders of the industry and they will beat the 360 because it will "outlast" it is just trying to use technicalities to try cover up their mistakes

alrite a 10 year life span thats great for consumers who have already bought a playsattion becuase they get a lot of life out of this console, but by saying they're gonna have 10 years with this thing seems like they're not very urgent to try and make some sweeping changes anytime soon

im not trying to hate on the playstation, ive owned one since early 07, rite around the release of the 80gb sku, and i do enjoy it. but rite now i just feel like sony isnt doing a good one to me the consumer, by trying to nickle and dime me with things like playstation home (which by the way when can i start game launching more games than just WARHAWK, im about the games not dancing with my avatar), and releasing quality titles like littlebigplanet but not supporting it in terms of marketing...

imayellowfellow

First of all you don't have to buy the crap on home if you don't want to. Secondly, why do you want game launching when you're so about games and can do it without going into home? As far as marketing goes lbp got lots of tv time and I still occasionally see ads for it on tv.

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#16 imayellowfellow
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the thing that sold me on home before the open beta came out was that u could do game launching in it, so in essence u could meet up with a friend and send him a game invite instead of having to find ur friends game server inside of a lobby

i dunno you can't really say that sony put a 100 percent in advertising little big planet... i mean people i show the game to are completely amazed by the game but they tell me they've never even heard about it, which isn't telling of sony's effort on getting the word out there for this thing.

and then sony's whole strategy of putting out demos for games that got released months ago (wipeout hd demo this week on the playstation store? didnt that game come out back in september 08) is something else that doenst make any sense to me

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wow lol you need to get your facts straight TC lol...