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#1 whambalam
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Ive heard people say that blu ray isn't needed because you can just compress it on dvd's and blah blah.

but I was looking up future rpg's and i saw that lost odyssey is coming on four dvds for the 360. Im sure this isn't news to everyone but seeing that this game is clearly huge i was wondering how big other games out right now are, or if there is a place to look at that kind of stuff.

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#2 ajefferism
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yeah that blue dragon game came on 3 dvds.... so i guess that alone proves that blu ray is necessary....

imagine how many discs final fantasy 13 would be coming out for 360? 5-6???

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i think with an open world game needs blu-ray i now oblivion was big but it was the same structures, trees, caves, textures ect. if it was made for the ps 3 only im sure each city, caves, ect. would all look differant. each building would of been differant colors ect.
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#4 Limonadi
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i have xbox 360. And i got 3 games( forza,gow and Nhl 08)

Gears of war = short campaing and every map got same monsters. (boomers and few others.)

Nhl 08 = game modes: play now, dynasty mod , world cup and practise. so im saying that there is lag off content in xbox 360 games. In Nhl 2005 with PS2 there was like ten different mods and you can play seasons with other leagues like del-liga,sm-liiga and elitserien. And other cool stuff. im pretty sure that 7 gigabytes DVD9 is not enought for xbox 360 game. I think that reviewers need to say that when they review these games and give them score like 9.6 score?I heard my friend that halo 3 campaing is short and looks like halo 2 on VISTA.

sorry my bad english. =)

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#5 EmperorSupreme
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Sony really had the foresight to include the features they did. I remember it was just last year the competition was spouting, "Hard drive is a choice, wifi is a choice, HDMI isn't needed, DVD is enough for this generation." Interesting in less than a year how things have changed. Developers want Hard drives standard & more disk capacity, HDMI is now standard, etc... Now imagine 3-5 years down the road. Yes, I'm happy I went PS3.
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#6 GIJames248
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i think with an open world game needs blu-ray i now oblivion was big but it was the same structures, trees, caves, textures ect. if it was made for the ps 3 only im sure each city, caves, ect. would all look differant. each building would of been differant colors ect.GARRYTH

If you want unique resources in games the size of Oblivion good luck. I have the computer version and it clocks in at 5 gigs, well under the 15 or so gigs that can be put on a DVD 9 with compression. Bethesda would have spent another 2 or 3 years to make all (or even most) of the cities, caves, and trees look entirely unique. I'm not advocating DVD 9 but I don't believe it is going to cause any major problems for the 360. They (the 360 owners) will just have to be willing to swap discs for RPGs and a few other particulary long games. Having owned a Gamecube I find discs swapping to be a non-issue in most games (Resident Evil 4, Twin Snakes, Medal of Honor: Rising Sun) and in some aspects it's even deja vu (RPGs = FF7), although I certainly appreciate the Blu-ray drive on the PS3.

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#7 GARRYTH
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[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]i think with an open world game needs blu-ray i now oblivion was big but it was the same structures, trees, caves, textures ect. if it was made for the ps 3 only im sure each city, caves, ect. would all look differant. each building would of been differant colors ect.GIJames248

If you want unique resources in games the size of Oblivion good luck. I have the computer version and it clocks in at 5 gigs, well under the 15 or so gigs that can be put on a DVD 9 with compression. Bethesda would have spent another 2 or 3 years to make all (or even most) of the cities, caves, and trees look entirely unique. I'm not advocating DVD 9 but I don't believe it is going to cause any major problems for the 360. They (the 360 owners) will just have to be willing to swap discs for RPGs and a few other particulary long games. Having owned a Gamecube I find discs swapping to be a non-issue in most games (Resident Evil 4, Twin Snakes, Medal of Honor: Rising Sun) and in some aspects it's even deja vu (RPGs = FF7), although I certainly appreciate the Blu-ray drive on the PS3.

the thing is why have multi disks when you don't need them and what will happen in a year or so when a game gets larger ect. just keep compressing more and more there will be a limit there so if it don't fit they will scap it like the did with just cause on the 360. compressing take time it not a push a button and then done no they have to keep coding it and coding it what gows here or there on the disk ect. would you rather have them spent more time adding to the game making it better rather than trying to figure out how to compress data ect. also audio is last in compression it does not sound that good ect.
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yeah that blue dragon game came on 3 dvds.... so i guess that alone proves that blu ray is necessary....

imagine how many discs final fantasy 13 would be coming out for 360? 5-6???

ajefferism

Well, 4 DVDs is more than one BluRay, as 3 DVDs is 27 GB, so if FFXIII squeezes onto a dual layer BD, then it'll be 5 discs at least. If it's 2 BDs then it's at least 6 DVDs.

SUMMARY: LOL at consoles with no BluRay.

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[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]i think with an open world game needs blu-ray i now oblivion was big but it was the same structures, trees, caves, textures ect. if it was made for the ps 3 only im sure each city, caves, ect. would all look differant. each building would of been differant colors ect.GARRYTH

If you want unique resources in games the size of Oblivion good luck. I have the computer version and it clocks in at 5 gigs, well under the 15 or so gigs that can be put on a DVD 9 with compression. Bethesda would have spent another 2 or 3 years to make all (or even most) of the cities, caves, and trees look entirely unique. I'm not advocating DVD 9 but I don't believe it is going to cause any major problems for the 360. They (the 360 owners) will just have to be willing to swap discs for RPGs and a few other particulary long games. Having owned a Gamecube I find discs swapping to be a non-issue in most games (Resident Evil 4, Twin Snakes, Medal of Honor: Rising Sun) and in some aspects it's even deja vu (RPGs = FF7), although I certainly appreciate the Blu-ray drive on the PS3.

the thing is why have multi disks when you don't need them and what will happen in a year or so when a game gets larger ect. just keep compressing more and more there will be a limit there so if it don't fit they will scap it like the did with just cause on the 360. compressing take time it not a push a button and then done no they have to keep coding it and coding it what gows here or there on the disk ect. would you rather have them spent more time adding to the game making it better rather than trying to figure out how to compress data ect. also audio is last in compression it does not sound that good ect.

Why charge more for a console when you can put 2 - 3 games on multi disks thus saving the consumer some money. Games are not getting much larger either. The average computer game is 2 - 5GB and we don't need losless audio or whatever you call it. More content means more time and more money.

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i have xbox 360. And i got 3 games( forza,gow and Nhl 08)

Gears of war = short campaing and every map got same monsters. (boomers and few others.)

Nhl 08 = game modes: play now, dynasty mod , world cup and practise. so im saying that there is lag off content in xbox 360 games. In Nhl 2005 with PS2 there was like ten different mods and you can play seasons with other leagues like del-liga,sm-liiga and elitserien. And other cool stuff. im pretty sure that 7 gigabytes DVD9 is not enought for xbox 360 game. I think that reviewers need to say that when they review these games and give them score like 9.6 score?I heard my friend that halo 3 campaing is short and looks like halo 2 on VISTA.

sorry my bad english. =)

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Yep. That's what others are saying too. Halo 3 looks better than Halo 2. But not like Gears or Uncharted or UT3.
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#11 gizmo_logix
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Ive heard people say that blu ray isn't needed because you can just compress it on dvd's and blah blah.

but I was looking up future rpg's and i saw that lost odyssey is coming on four dvds for the 360. Im sure this isn't news to everyone but seeing that this game is clearly huge i was wondering how big other games out right now are, or if there is a place to look at that kind of stuff.

whambalam
It all comes down to CONTENT and CAPACITY. It's not just about game size (which includes video and audio).
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#12 GIJames248
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[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]i think with an open world game needs blu-ray i now oblivion was big but it was the same structures, trees, caves, textures ect. if it was made for the ps 3 only im sure each city, caves, ect. would all look differant. each building would of been differant colors ect.GARRYTH

If you want unique resources in games the size of Oblivion good luck. I have the computer version and it clocks in at 5 gigs, well under the 15 or so gigs that can be put on a DVD 9 with compression. Bethesda would have spent another 2 or 3 years to make all (or even most) of the cities, caves, and trees look entirely unique. I'm not advocating DVD 9 but I don't believe it is going to cause any major problems for the 360. They (the 360 owners) will just have to be willing to swap discs for RPGs and a few other particulary long games. Having owned a Gamecube I find discs swapping to be a non-issue in most games (Resident Evil 4, Twin Snakes, Medal of Honor: Rising Sun) and in some aspects it's even deja vu (RPGs = FF7), although I certainly appreciate the Blu-ray drive on the PS3.

the thing is why have multi disks when you don't need them and what will happen in a year or so when a game gets larger ect. just keep compressing more and more there will be a limit there so if it don't fit they will scap it like the did with just cause on the 360. compressing take time it not a push a button and then done no they have to keep coding it and coding it what gows here or there on the disk ect. would you rather have them spent more time adding to the game making it better rather than trying to figure out how to compress data ect. also audio is last in compression it does not sound that good ect.

I'm not saying that DVD 9 is without problems; I'm just saying that it isn't going to force the 360 to have bad, ugly, or short games. In fact I would say the biggest problem with DVD 9 is how MS tries to keep the average publisher from being able to release on more that one disc, if it hadn't been for that maybe we would have had a two disc Halo 3 release with a better, longer campaign on one disc and the multplayer on another. We put up with multiple disc for the Playstation and had some fantastic non-rpg games on multiple discs, but of course Sony was allowing publishers more freedom in their releases on multiple discs, unlike MS.

As you said though, the cost of having to work around the size limitations is there also, like working around the limitations of the Cell, except in the 360's case their isn't any advantage to DVD 9 aside from cost and a minute advantage in read speed. It can be done, but for another hundred or so dollars and an HD-DVD drive it would not be an issue.

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[QUOTE="ajefferism"]

yeah that blue dragon game came on 3 dvds.... so i guess that alone proves that blu ray is necessary....

imagine how many discs final fantasy 13 would be coming out for 360? 5-6???

ShmenonPie

Well, 4 DVDs is more than one BluRay, as 3 DVDs is 27 GB, so if FFXIII squeezes onto a dual layer BD, then it'll be 5 discs at least. If it's 2 BDs then it's at least 6 DVDs.

SUMMARY: LOL at consoles with no BluRay.

i think 1 dual-layerBD costs less than 2 single layer BDs
in conclusion, Sony and Nintyare the console veterans, they know what awaits them in the future, and M$ is learning

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#14 EmperorSupreme
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[QUOTE="ajefferism"]

yeah that blue dragon game came on 3 dvds.... so i guess that alone proves that blu ray is necessary....

imagine how many discs final fantasy 13 would be coming out for 360? 5-6???

ShmenonPie

Well, 4 DVDs is more than one BluRay, as 3 DVDs is 27 GB, so if FFXIII squeezes onto a dual layer BD, then it'll be 5 discs at least. If it's 2 BDs then it's at least 6 DVDs.

SUMMARY: LOL at consoles with no BluRay.

Blu-ray is 50gb per disk and they are working on getting it to 100gb. So 4 DVDs doesn't equal 1 bluray.

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#15 GeneralX84
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[QUOTE="ShmenonPie"][QUOTE="ajefferism"]

yeah that blue dragon game came on 3 dvds.... so i guess that alone proves that blu ray is necessary....

imagine how many discs final fantasy 13 would be coming out for 360? 5-6???

EmperorSupreme

Well, 4 DVDs is more than one BluRay, as 3 DVDs is 27 GB, so if FFXIII squeezes onto a dual layer BD, then it'll be 5 discs at least. If it's 2 BDs then it's at least 6 DVDs.

SUMMARY: LOL at consoles with no BluRay.

Blu-ray is 50gb per disk and they are working on getting it to 100gb. So 4 DVDs doesn't equal 1 bluray.

i think he means the current single-layerBDs which are 25gb