sony homebrewer loses.. next time some see's him is visiting hours..

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#1 ionusX
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graf_chokolo another playstaiton homebrewer facing similar problems to the infamous hotz has basically admitted to being unable to pay for a lawyer or anymore legal fee's meaning he will probably declare bankruptcy and get sent to jail.. see ya around..

http://ca.kotaku.com/5814317/ps3-hacker-resigned-to-prison-sentence-after-money-dries-up

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#2 wooooode
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Awesome, but not sure why you say homebrewer because there is not any talk about homebrew.
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#3 TheTenth10
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only thing to hope is that he knows identities of other hackers and tells the names to reduce his sentence, then all will fall like a house of cards

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#4 junglist101
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Although some may not agree with this kind of thing, he shouldn't be punished for anything.
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#5 deactivated-5b69bebd1b0b6
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These hackers think they can just run rampant and do as they please. I think jail time will put them in thier place.

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#6 pooyanh
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Good. That's where he belongs.
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#7 starwarsjunky
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looks like this guy was just trying to get linux back on the ps3. if it was one of the PSN hackers, i'd say say lock him up for good. but not for this.
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#8 masterds64
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...at least one of you didn't read the article, he just wanted linux back on the ps3... Well, if I were in his case Id *CENSORED* and thus avoid jail while giving perfected tools to the community. I say sony should focus their efforts on those stealing credit info/actually supporting piracy (that's making the tools to run pirated games)/improve current psn services (yeah, look at psn minus...nice free stuff there!)
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looks like this guy was just trying to get linux back on the ps3. if it was one of the PSN hackers, i'd say say lock him up for good. but not for this.starwarsjunky
Problem with that is if you let one go for that others will claim that technicality. People need to be held accountable for their actions, while I do understand his motives this is a issue that needs to be stomped out and if some people do some time thats that I guess. One pillar of the legal system in most country is deterrence, if people see someone get some jail time they are hopefully more likely to not do it them self. Yes I know that cases will be herd in all different countries but thats why we have persuasive precedent. Which allows judges, justices, magistrates what ever they may be to give a ruling based on another decision from a court below them in their hierarchy or one from completely outside it. Sorry to post all that on you post but just wanted to say it and the first part was related :)
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Only to run Linux? Any other excuses they have?
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#11 T_REX305
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Hope he stays there.

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[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"]looks like this guy was just trying to get linux back on the ps3. if it was one of the PSN hackers, i'd say say lock him up for good. but not for this.Simmo75
Problem with that is if you let one go for that others will claim that technicality. People need to be held accountable for their actions, while I do understand his motives this is a issue that needs to be stomped out and if some people do some time thats that I guess. One pillar of the legal system in most country is deterrence, if people see someone get some jail time they are hopefully more likely to not do it them self. Yes I know that cases will be herd in all different countries but thats why we have persuasive precedent. Which allows judges, justices, magistrates what ever they may be to give a ruling based on another decision from a court below them in their hierarchy or one from completely outside it. Sorry to post all that on you post but just wanted to say it and the first part was related :)

regardless, there's nothing bad about him wanting to run linux on a machine he BOUGHT. if he put it on there for illegal purposes, thats one thing. throw the book at him then. but what i've read doesn't mention that AT ALL.
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Do the crime, Do the time.

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#14 BH14
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Although some may not agree with this kind of thing, he shouldn't be punished for anything.junglist101

The article also fails to mention that this case is now a CRIMINAL case because graf_chokolo BLACKMAILED and THREATENED Sony by saying he'll release the Hypervisor "Bible" unless they drop the CIVIL case, they didn't, he released the codes, which then triggered the case into a CRIMINAL ACT. This is more than just simply about putting Linux on his ps3.

He deserves to go to jail and I hope he gets the most severe punishment.

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Although some may not agree with this kind of thing, he shouldn't be punished for anything.junglist101
he is being punished for blackmailing Sony. He stated that he would release his HyperVisor bible if Sony didn't leave Hotz alone.
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#16 jekyll
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Good. This latest rash of attacks highlights the need to beef up criminal sanctions against hacking of any computer network. Nice, lengthy mandatory jail sentences should become the norm worldwide. Seriously, this guy did something he knew he wasn't supposed to do, got caught, and now he's whining like a little baby and expecting sympathy?

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#17 POPEYE1716
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this is great news.

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Altering a piece of hardware that you purchased should not be punishable at all. Let alone by a prison sentence. It's not like he was stealing straight from the company. Or hacking their servers and costing them money. Him, and the Hotz guy, were hacking a piece of hardware that they paid for and OWN. The fact that Sony is giving them this much trouble for that is ridiculous. What about the millions of people that own a PSP for the sole purpose of Homebrew? I'm all for punishing the guy if it is strictly over the blackmailing and all that nonsense. But Hotz didn't blackmail them and they went after him pretty hard. Sony should be worrying about the security of their PSN and catching those that brought it down. Not about people homebrewing their console.
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#20 JohnF111
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Only to run Linux? Any other excuses they have?tommyas
Haha yeah and piracy evolved from "Only making backups". I love their excuses.
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Altering a piece of hardware that you purchased should not be punishable at all. Let alone by a prison sentence. It's not like he was stealing straight from the company. Or hacking their servers and costing them money. Him, and the Hotz guy, were hacking a piece of hardware that they paid for and OWN. The fact that Sony is giving them this much trouble for that is ridiculous. What about the millions of people that own a PSP for the sole purpose of Homebrew? I'm all for punishing the guy if it is strictly over the blackmailing and all that nonsense. But Hotz didn't blackmail them and they went after him pretty hard. Sony should be worrying about the security of their PSN and catching those that brought it down. Not about people homebrewing their console.ACx7
Then you don't know that Geo opened up the console to piracy(Sony loses money), hacking(PSN gets hackers and cheaters), PSN purchases become free(Obviously Sony lose money). Also the PSP almost died back then due to people not needing to buy the games, they simply downloaded it and booted it up, and you are saying this isn't a bad thing? Its almist like the excuse from Graf himself "I only wanted Linux back" when infact there's a million other things also accompanying this excuse like "I want to install all these games i downloaded from torrents".
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Then you don't know that Geo opened up the console to piracy(Sony loses money), hacking(PSN gets hackers and cheaters), PSN purchases become free(Obviously Sony lose money). Also the PSP almost died back then due to people not needing to buy the games, they simply downloaded it and booted it up, and you are saying this isn't a bad thing? Its almist like the excuse from Graf himself "I only wanted Linux back" when infact there's a million other things also accompanying this excuse like "I want to install all these games i downloaded from torrents".JohnF111

On his own console. He wasn't doing this for other people and costing Sony millions of dollars like people do with the PSP. Something like their online platform beign down fora month is MUCH worse than someone hacking their console. Piracy is an touchy topic. I do not pirate games, but I am not wholly against it. There are many situations where it can be useful. So to answer your question... No. I do not think it is a bad thing that someone decided to homebrew their own console. What Sony does from there is up to them. There are indeed ways of knowing if someone is using your services with a hacked machine. How do you think Microsoft has caught so many Xbox hackers? Or how each individual developer has caught so many people using pirated games on PC? Taking them to court and suing them every time is not the way to go about handling this.

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... I do not pirate games, but I am not wholly against it. There are many situations where it can be useful...

ACx7

What are the situations where pirate games can be useful? Besides the user wanting everything for free and not willing to rightfully pay. It is illegal for a reason and takes money out of the pocket of the game developers and Sony who deserve it. And I am tired of hearing that games are too expensive so lets steal excuse. I remember nintendo and genesis games selling for around $40-50 like 20 years ago. Nowadays, I don't pay anything close to that for PS3 games. The prices that I pay for PS3 games (some brand new releases) have actually declined compared to the prices that I paid for PS1 and PS2 games.

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What are the situations where pirate games can be useful? Besides the user wanting everything for free and not willing to rightfully pay. It is illegal for a reason and takes money out of the pocket of the game developers and Sony who deserve it. And I am tired of hearing that games are too expensive so lets steal excuse. I remember nintendo and genesis games selling for around $40-50 like 20 years ago. Nowadays, I don't pay anything close to that for PS3 games. The prices that I pay for PS3 games (some brand new releases) have actually declined compared to the prices that I paid for PS1 and PS2 games.

BH14

first and foremost, according to the iphone ruling its NOT illegal. what sony is doing, paying off the court system to sue people now THAT should be illegal. theres plenty of reasons where using homebrew can be useful but it doesn't really matter since what sonys doing is illegal and lets be realistic, you don't care what the explanations are all you want is to feel some kind of vindication because in the end you don't like your life and you want other people to be miserable like you.

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first and foremost, according to the iphone ruling its NOT illegal. what sony is doing, paying off the court system to sue people now THAT should be illegal. theres plenty of reasons where using homebrew can be useful but it doesn't really matter since what sonys doing is illegal and lets be realistic, you don't care what the explanations are all you want is to feel some kind of vindication because in the end you don't like your life and you want other people to be miserable like you.

z4twenny

There are plenty of reasons to pirate games but you can't come up with explanation?! Enlighten us all for pirating games but don't make Iphones as your excuse. I like how you can't even come up with one legit reason. Nothing but criminals you all are. Lock you all up and throw away the key. I hope all these criminals are in a cell with a cellmate named Big Bubba. Stop being such a cheap skate and stop pirating games. Don't do the crime if you are crying about the time.

Nothing is funnier than someone saying "I am for pirating games but I ofcourse don't do it"... wink wink. Sure you don't.

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[QUOTE="junglist101"]Although some may not agree with this kind of thing, he shouldn't be punished for anything.hiryu3
he is being punished for blackmailing Sony. He stated that he would release his HyperVisor bible if Sony didn't leave Hotz alone.

seems like this is being ignored

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[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Then you don't know that Geo opened up the console to piracy(Sony loses money), hacking(PSN gets hackers and cheaters), PSN purchases become free(Obviously Sony lose money). Also the PSP almost died back then due to people not needing to buy the games, they simply downloaded it and booted it up, and you are saying this isn't a bad thing? Its almist like the excuse from Graf himself "I only wanted Linux back" when infact there's a million other things also accompanying this excuse like "I want to install all these games i downloaded from torrents".ACx7

On his own console. He wasn't doing this for other people and costing Sony millions of dollars like people do with the PSP. Something like their online platform beign down fora month is MUCH worse than someone hacking their console. Piracy is an touchy topic. I do not pirate games, but I am not wholly against it. There are many situations where it can be useful. So to answer your question... No. I do not think it is a bad thing that someone decided to homebrew their own console. What Sony does from there is up to them. There are indeed ways of knowing if someone is using your services with a hacked machine. How do you think Microsoft has caught so many Xbox hackers? Or how each individual developer has caught so many people using pirated games on PC? Taking them to court and suing them every time is not the way to go about handling this.

His own console? So he didn't release loads of tools and whatever to the public no? He didn't mess with hypervisors of the PS3 no? He didn't release all this information to the public about what he'd collected no? What he basically did was publicly release a tonne of information about the hypervisors of the PS3 and where i do agree i should be allowed to use my hardware as i see fit i don't agree that just because there's one area of legality that it's ok to open a hundred other areas which effectively ruin PSN and everyone in it's experience of having no hackers and cheaters who think its fine to go and download any game from PSN for free by exploiting loopholes. Oh and piracy has no excuse, it's all bad unlike what you are trying to say, plus he deserves it, he was blackmailing Sony about the Geo_Hotz case with the hypervisor stuff as previously stated.

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Another example of a company using bully boy tactics and winning, somebody should sue Sony for all the crap they've done in the past yet all there fanboi's still place them on a pedestal as if there gods.

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Altering a piece of hardware that you purchased should not be punishable at all. Let alone by a prison sentence. It's not like he was stealing straight from the company. Or hacking their servers and costing them money. Him, and the Hotz guy, were hacking a piece of hardware that they paid for and OWN. The fact that Sony is giving them this much trouble for that is ridiculous. What about the millions of people that own a PSP for the sole purpose of Homebrew? I'm all for punishing the guy if it is strictly over the blackmailing and all that nonsense. But Hotz didn't blackmail them and they went after him pretty hard. Sony should be worrying about the security of their PSN and catching those that brought it down. Not about people homebrewing their console.ACx7

Uh. Hotz DID basically blackmail the company, by threatening to release the keys if they didn't give him a job. But let's take a step further.

I want a chunk of Yellow Cake uranium.

I just like having it. I'm never going to make a bomb. It's just a conversation piece, that's what I bought it for. I tinker. It's my hobby. Openheimer? Who's That? He unlocked the what? He figured out how to WHAT? Nooooo... That's not at ALL my personal intention. I'm not in it for that.

What do you mean, "If someone ELSE gets their hands on it..."? It's MINE. I BOUGHT it. But it's not for making a bomb. I promise.

Yellow Cake uranium is nothing on it's own. It doesn't automatically cause a reaction on it's own. Sure there are people like Kim jong Il in the world, but I won't let HIM have it... What's that? MISSILES AT JAPAN? Oh, you're foolin' around. No one fires missiles at other countries with warheads on 'em... That would take an individual with absolutely no moral compass whatsoever, and I don't know anyone like that...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-457584/North-Korea-fires-missiles-Sea-Japan.html

... What's that, now? The Internet is FULL of people like that?

Well then, I promise, I'll never put up information THERE on how to weaponize Yellow Cake uranium. How's that?

...

Knowledge is Power. And to quote Openheimer when the Atom got out of the bag, "We're All Sons of ****, Now." He knew what he had released on the world in unlocking what he did.

Now - Video game consoles are NOT life & death. I know this.

But - Cheating, stealing, lawless behavior. That's what the online gaming community for the PS3 is now MIRED in thanks to Hotz and his ilk. So claiming innocence is a moot point, after the fact. The information is out there, in the hands of some fairly nefarious folks in some cases, and because SOME will use the information in a bad way, it's a bad thing for the information to be available AT ALL.

Sony doesn't want it's tech played with. Why is that so hard for anyone to understand? My guess is, because they've never created a thing in their lives, and had it stolen or misused. But Openheimer did. And now (since the 1940s), we all live in it's shadow. Wondering when the next idiot with his finger on a button will change all of our lives forever. For financial gain, or maybe just for a laugh.

Yes, you own your console. Yes, you can do what you like. But the minute you involve OTHER PEOPLE, it's an imposition at the very least, and most likely if it is not a desired involvement, it can be construed as a CRIME. I don't give a rat's fat *** about what the individual does, per-se, but certain numbers of those individuals aren't to be trusted and we KNOW this, so please stop wrapping yourself or others in a flag and claiming it infringes on your right as owner of the console. They're people out there (in the worst cases, of course - Not ALL) who are like Kim Jong Il, and for whatever reason, they just want to watch the world burn.

Releasing knowledge which these people have developed, into the Internet for any person regardless of pedigree to use as THEY would like to, is like urinating into the wind, it's gonna blow back on you in a bad way. And that's what this tool did.

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Although some may not agree with this kind of thing, he shouldn't be punished for anything.junglist101
He broke a contract that he had with Sony. I don't think he deserves jail time though.
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I'd go to Mexico if I was him.
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#32 Gxgear
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He wouldn't be sued/prosecuted if he's just a homebrewer making alterations to his own machine without distributing the software all over the web...oh wait.

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#33 Newhopes
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He would be sued/prosecuted if he's just a homebrewer making alterations to his own machine without distributing the software all over the web...oh wait.

Gxgear

Sony have sued people for copying music from CD's they bought onto there IPOD's in the past because it broke the "EULA".

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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

He would be sued/prosecuted if he's just a homebrewer making alterations to his own machine without distributing the software all over the web...oh wait.

Newhopes

Sony have sued people for copying music from CD's they bought onto there IPOD's in the past because it broke the "EULA".

2 wrongs make a right? :?

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#35 ElPadilla
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Good news and with the arrest of Anonymous PSN hackers and a Lulsec hacker in London hopefully this will send a message to other potential hackers. I don't understand why we should all have to lose our psn services just because these douchebags don't like sony. What I don't understand is they don't attack M$ for lifetime bansof hacked xbox's or attack punkbuster servers for pc games that boot hackers andjust single out sony?

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#36 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

He would be sued/prosecuted if he's just a homebrewer making alterations to his own machine without distributing the software all over the web...oh wait.

Newhopes

Sony have sued people for copying music from CD's they bought onto there IPOD's in the past because it broke the "EULA".

the EULA isn't there just to bore you, if you don't agree to it then don't buy it. If someone breaks their deal about how they use the license they bought to the music then Sony had the right to sue, it probably said something like "If you don't use this music the way we want we'll sue, and you agree to be sued". A deal is a deal.
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[QUOTE="hiryu3"][QUOTE="junglist101"]Although some may not agree with this kind of thing, he shouldn't be punished for anything.hiryu3

he is being punished for blackmailing Sony. He stated that he would release his HyperVisor bible if Sony didn't leave Hotz alone.

seems like this is being ignored



As usual. All the hacking fanboys defending them go "omgz omgz they are nice people, all they wanted was to live in peace and blah blah" but as soon as someone mentions this they all pretend like they didn't see the post.

I don't know what will happen but I personally ask myself 2 things:
1) What kind of prisons Germany have.
2) Will he really face jailtime? Personally I believe he won't.