Can some of you guys tell me the type and model surround sounds you guys use for system and how well it works with the system. Also how important is it to get one with an hdmi in and out?
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If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.BroweChisoxman you know your stuff. wish id had you at best buy when i bought my system.
If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.BroweChisoxoptical out is just as good. it's not like YOU will hear a difference.
[QUOTE="BroweChisox"]If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.danneswegmanoptical out is just as good. it's not like YOU will hear a difference. What are you talking about? Do you not have a clue? The difference between uncompressed sound via HDMI is 10 times better than compressed DD or DTS through optical. How could you not notice an uncompressed 7 channel track when compared against a lossy 5.1 track? HDMI also allows players to decode DTSHD or DolbyHD and send that uncompressed signal directly to the receiver. I pray to God that you will not argue that you can not hear the difference between DTSHD and compressed DTS.
[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"]If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.BroweChisoxoptical out is just as good. it's not like YOU will hear a difference. What are you talking about? Do you not have a clue? The difference between uncompressed sound via HDMI is 10 times better than compressed DD or DTS through optical. How could you not notice an uncompressed 7 channel track when compared against a lossy 5.1 track? HDMI also allows players to decode DTSHD or DolbyHD and send that uncompressed signal directly to the receiver. I pray to God that you will not argue that you can not hear the difference between DTSHD and compressed DTS. not ten times... we can't tell, you neither. Those differences are measured, but not with human ears.... and not all audio trough HDMI is uncompressed.
[QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"]If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.danneswegmanoptical out is just as good. it's not like YOU will hear a difference. What are you talking about? Do you not have a clue? The difference between uncompressed sound via HDMI is 10 times better than compressed DD or DTS through optical. How could you not notice an uncompressed 7 channel track when compared against a lossy 5.1 track? HDMI also allows players to decode DTSHD or DolbyHD and send that uncompressed signal directly to the receiver. I pray to God that you will not argue that you can not hear the difference between DTSHD and compressed DTS. not ten times... we can't tell, you neither. Those differences are measured, but not with human ears.... and not all audio trough HDMI is uncompressed. It is clear you do not know what you are talking about. I am not sure why you are arguing this point... maybe you are bitter about recently purchasing a non-HDMI receiver? The difference between an uncompressed track or a DTSHD/DolbyHD track is enough that my wife easily noticed the difference and made a comment without me even letting her in on what was going on. If you have never used/experienced HDMI audio, maybe you should just stop posting before you embarrass yourself even more.
I have a 7.1 Onkyo surround system and it works like a charm. It doesn't have any HDMI inputs, but I run all of my video inputs to my HDTV. I have 2 optical toslink cables and 1 digital coaxial cable connected to my receiver.BIGDEE06Hey is that the one around $600? How is that one? I was thinking of buying that one.
[QUOTE="BroweChisox"]If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.danneswegmanoptical out is just as good. it's not like YOU will hear a difference. the difference is like night and day! i'm guessing that you have never actually got the chance to listen to a real sound system. uncompressed sound even in 2.1 stereo sound 10 times better. please dont misslead the masses
If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.BroweChisoxI'd have to wager a bitstream system with good speakers will sound better then either of those receivers and 100/pair speakers. My advice is always to get as much speaker as you can afford (price doesn't always equal performance though, audition as much as possible). I'd rather get more expensive speakers and a slightly cheaper receiver then vice versa. For receivers, the cheapest entries into multi-channel PCM would be the Panasonic XR-57 or the Onkyo 604. Those are just 5.1 PCM, but are quite affordable if you don't want to spend $700+ for a receiver.
[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"]If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.BroweChisoxoptical out is just as good. it's not like YOU will hear a difference. What are you talking about? Do you not have a clue? The difference between uncompressed sound via HDMI is 10 times better than compressed DD or DTS through optical. How could you not notice an uncompressed 7 channel track when compared against a lossy 5.1 track? HDMI also allows players to decode DTSHD or DolbyHD and send that uncompressed signal directly to the receiver. I pray to God that you will not argue that you can not hear the difference between DTSHD and compressed DTS. not ten times... we can't tell, you neither. Those differences are measured, but not with human ears.... and not all audio trough HDMI is uncompressed. It is clear you do not know what you are talking about. I am not sure why you are arguing this point... maybe you are bitter about recently purchasing a non-HDMI receiver? The difference between an uncompressed track or a DTSHD/DolbyHD track is enough that my wife easily noticed the difference and made a comment without me even letting her in on what was going on. If you have never used/experienced HDMI audio, maybe you should just stop posting before you embarrass yourself even more. it's true i don't have a receiver that has a HDMI input (though i didn't purchase one recently). So, fair enough, in the store where i listened to it didn't seem a giant leap from DTS-HD. And DTS-HD has different formats. DTS-HD Master Audio is capable of delivering audio that is a bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. DTS-HD Master Audio delivers audio at super high variable bit rates -24.5 mega-bits per second (Mbps) on Blu-ray discs and 18.0 Mbps on HD-DVD - that are significantly higher than standard DVDs . This bit stream is so "fast" and the transfer rate is so "high" that it can deliver the Holy Grail of audio: 7.1 audio channels at 96k sampling frequency/24 bit depths that are identical to the original. With DTS-HD Master Audio, you will be able to experience movies and music, exactly as the artist intended: clear, pure, and uncompromised. if you say the difference is TEN times with DTS-HD Master Audio , i'll take your word for it.....
my PS3 is connected via HDMI to a Onkyo TXSR604, it retails for a little over $500, but can be had for around $350 with shipping included. The Onkyo is also connected to the HDTV via HDMI. I have Klipsch Subwoofer and speakers that retail for $900, but i got at half price on Black Friday last year. I have no complaint's, movies like Black Hawk Down, Kung Fu Hustle, and The Descent have sounded spectacular with uncompressed PCM audio
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[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"]If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.BroweChisoxoptical out is just as good. it's not like YOU will hear a difference. What are you talking about? Do you not have a clue? The difference between uncompressed sound via HDMI is 10 times better than compressed DD or DTS through optical. How could you not notice an uncompressed 7 channel track when compared against a lossy 5.1 track? HDMI also allows players to decode DTSHD or DolbyHD and send that uncompressed signal directly to the receiver. I pray to God that you will not argue that you can not hear the difference between DTSHD and compressed DTS. not ten times... we can't tell, you neither. Those differences are measured, but not with human ears.... and not all audio trough HDMI is uncompressed. It is clear you do not know what you are talking about. I am not sure why you are arguing this point... maybe you are bitter about recently purchasing a non-HDMI receiver? The difference between an uncompressed track or a DTSHD/DolbyHD track is enough that my wife easily noticed the difference and made a comment without me even letting her in on what was going on. If you have never used/experienced HDMI audio, maybe you should just stop posting before you embarrass yourself even more. You should not be able to easily distinguish between Dolby TrueHD/DTS HD and multi-channel PCM. These both utilize lossless codecs, i.e. post-HDMI processing in theory should make them identical to uncompressed tracks. Not sure how your wife can tell the difference. And you got it wrong, HDMI does not allow players to decode DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD and send an uncompressed signal to the receiver. The player sends that DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD signal to the receiver via HDMI, where the receiver decodes it. It's called post-HDMI processing.
I was saying that the difference between any of the uncompressed formats and compressed sound through optical is very easy to tell the difference between. Also, players can decode DolbyHD or DTSHD and send this lossless signal to receivers, it is a known fact since a few available players can do this.BroweChisoxOk that I can agree with. But you said:
The difference between an uncompressed track or a DTSHD/DolbyHD track is enough that my wife easily noticed the difference and made a comment without me even letting her in on what was going
What players can decode the DolbyHD or DTSHD and send by HDMI to the receiver? Maybe by analog outputs? Either way, I'd rather get a receiver that will do the post-HDMI processing to cover all bases.
Ok that I can agree with. But you said:[QUOTE="BroweChisox"]I was saying that the difference between any of the uncompressed formats and compressed sound through optical is very easy to tell the difference between. Also, players can decode DolbyHD or DTSHD and send this lossless signal to receivers, it is a known fact since a few available players can do this.jdang307
The difference between an uncompressed track or a DTSHD/DolbyHD track is enough that my wife easily noticed the difference and made a comment without me even letting her in on what was going
What players can decode the DolbyHD or DTSHD and send by HDMI to the receiver? Maybe by analog outputs? Either way, I'd rather get a receiver that will do the post-HDMI processing to cover all bases.
Yeah that first part was purely a typo. I am pretty sure most players decode DTSHD at least, and I know the ps3 can send one of the two via HDMI as well. Receivers that support post processing should be arriving within the year. I would certainly have one if they were available.You do not need HDMI for your reciever to output DTS. I use optical, on my Kenwood 5.1. Alot of people are also getting suckered into buying HDMI recievers that only have an HDMI passthrough. A true HDMI reciever is well over $1000.dru26You are wrong. There are plenty of cheap options such as the Denon AVR-887, widely accepted as the best 'future proof' cheap receiver. We were not arguing about hearing regular compressed DTS like you are hearing, but uncompressed lossless audio, which you are NOT hearing. You would be astounded at the difference... probably even more since you are stuck listening to a Kenwood receiver...yuck. You must have had some tight budget constraints at the time huh?
[QUOTE="dru26"]You do not need HDMI for your reciever to output DTS. I use optical, on my Kenwood 5.1. Alot of people are also getting suckered into buying HDMI recievers that only have an HDMI passthrough. A true HDMI reciever is well over $1000.BroweChisoxYou are wrong. There are plenty of cheap options such as the Denon AVR-887, widely accepted as the best 'future proof' cheap receiver. We were not arguing about hearing regular compressed DTS like you are hearing, but uncompressed lossless audio, which you are NOT hearing. You would be astounded at the difference... probably even more since you are stuck listening to a Kenwood receiver...yuck. You must have had some tight budget constraints at the time huh?
[QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"]If you are buying a new setup, there is no reason to not get HDMI in. The increase in sound quality via HDMI blows anything you can send through optical away. It is totally foolish to invest in a non HDMI system now. For a receiver, I would recommend the Denon AVR887 or AVR-2307ci, both are steals at their price. Speaker wise, you can go anywhere from 100 per pair to $30,000 per pair. Hard to give a suggestion without knowing room dimensions or price range.jdang307optical out is just as good. it's not like YOU will hear a difference. What are you talking about? Do you not have a clue? The difference between uncompressed sound via HDMI is 10 times better than compressed DD or DTS through optical. How could you not notice an uncompressed 7 channel track when compared against a lossy 5.1 track? HDMI also allows players to decode DTSHD or DolbyHD and send that uncompressed signal directly to the receiver. I pray to God that you will not argue that you can not hear the difference between DTSHD and compressed DTS. not ten times... we can't tell, you neither. Those differences are measured, but not with human ears.... and not all audio trough HDMI is uncompressed. It is clear you do not know what you are talking about. I am not sure why you are arguing this point... maybe you are bitter about recently purchasing a non-HDMI receiver? The difference between an uncompressed track or a DTSHD/DolbyHD track is enough that my wife easily noticed the difference and made a comment without me even letting her in on what was going on. If you have never used/experienced HDMI audio, maybe you should just stop posting before you embarrass yourself even more. You should not be able to easily distinguish between Dolby TrueHD/DTS HD and multi-channel PCM. These both utilize lossless codecs, i.e. post-HDMI processing in theory should make them identical to uncompressed tracks. Not sure how your wife can tell the difference. And you got it wrong, HDMI does not allow players to decode DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD and send an uncompressed signal to the receiver. The player sends that DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD signal to the receiver via HDMI, where the receiver decodes it. It's called post-HDMI processing.
Toshiba's HDA2 HD-DVD player cost $350 and it decodes DTS-HD and TrueHD
[QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="dru26"]You do not need HDMI for your reciever to output DTS. I use optical, on my Kenwood 5.1. Alot of people are also getting suckered into buying HDMI recievers that only have an HDMI passthrough. A true HDMI reciever is well over $1000.dru26You are wrong. There are plenty of cheap options such as the Denon AVR-887, widely accepted as the best 'future proof' cheap receiver. We were not arguing about hearing regular compressed DTS like you are hearing, but uncompressed lossless audio, which you are NOT hearing. You would be astounded at the difference... probably even more since you are stuck listening to a Kenwood receiver...yuck. You must have had some tight budget constraints at the time huh?
[QUOTE="dru26"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="dru26"]You do not need HDMI for your reciever to output DTS. I use optical, on my Kenwood 5.1. Alot of people are also getting suckered into buying HDMI recievers that only have an HDMI passthrough. A true HDMI reciever is well over $1000.BroweChisoxYou are wrong. There are plenty of cheap options such as the Denon AVR-887, widely accepted as the best 'future proof' cheap receiver. We were not arguing about hearing regular compressed DTS like you are hearing, but uncompressed lossless audio, which you are NOT hearing. You would be astounded at the difference... probably even more since you are stuck listening to a Kenwood receiver...yuck. You must have had some tight budget constraints at the time huh?
[QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="dru26"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="dru26"]You do not need HDMI for your reciever to output DTS. I use optical, on my Kenwood 5.1. Alot of people are also getting suckered into buying HDMI recievers that only have an HDMI passthrough. A true HDMI reciever is well over $1000.m3Boarder32You are wrong. There are plenty of cheap options such as the Denon AVR-887, widely accepted as the best 'future proof' cheap receiver. We were not arguing about hearing regular compressed DTS like you are hearing, but uncompressed lossless audio, which you are NOT hearing. You would be astounded at the difference... probably even more since you are stuck listening to a Kenwood receiver...yuck. You must have had some tight budget constraints at the time huh?
[QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="dru26"]You do not need HDMI for your reciever to output DTS. I use optical, on my Kenwood 5.1. Alot of people are also getting suckered into buying HDMI recievers that only have an HDMI passthrough. A true HDMI reciever is well over $1000.dru26You are wrong. There are plenty of cheap options such as the Denon AVR-887, widely accepted as the best 'future proof' cheap receiver. We were not arguing about hearing regular compressed DTS like you are hearing, but uncompressed lossless audio, which you are NOT hearing. You would be astounded at the difference... probably even more since you are stuck listening to a Kenwood receiver...yuck. You must have had some tight budget constraints at the time huh?
I have a optical 5.1 surround sound system in my basement hooked up to a 60" Sony projection TV - lemme tell ya, Resistance looks and sounds AMAZING on it. It kind of gives you an unfair advantage in online play, too, because the way Resistance works (and, I assume, most nearly every other PS3 game) is that it moves the sound across the speakers as you move the player. So, if an explosion happenned to your left, you could hear where it came from, and that way you could spot the enemy quicker. It's like that for many other games, I'm sure, so if anyone out there has the money for it - it would be a much better addition to your home theater system than a HD-DVD player, which would cost you about the same :P
Like m3boarder32, I also have the Onkyo TXSR604. My PS3 is set to "Video 3" by the way...
urazn13
I would say the "Pherex XBOX 5.1 Surround Sound System" even though it has XBOX all over it, it is capable with anything. I haven't used it yet to don't have personal experience with the technology yet.Can some of you guys tell me the type and model surround sounds you guys use for system and how well it works with the system. Also how important is it to get one with an hdmi in and out?
Sedin44
If you're looking into wireless than you can maybe try the "Logitech Z-5450 Wireless 5.1 THX Speakers" with a high price.
I know this thread is about sound, but let me add to the concept. If someone's getting an HDTV soon, I suggest you definitely get a 1080p or a 1080i instead of a 720i, because you will definitely see a vast difference in quality, even though both are HD.urazn13
[QUOTE="urazn13"]I know this thread is about sound, but let me add to the concept. If someone's getting an HDTV soon, I suggest you definitely get a 1080p or a 1080i instead of a 720i, because you will definitely see a vast difference in quality, even though both are HD.Symphonycometh
[QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="dru26"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="dru26"]You do not need HDMI for your reciever to output DTS. I use optical, on my Kenwood 5.1. Alot of people are also getting suckered into buying HDMI recievers that only have an HDMI passthrough. A true HDMI reciever is well over $1000.m3Boarder32You are wrong. There are plenty of cheap options such as the Denon AVR-887, widely accepted as the best 'future proof' cheap receiver. We were not arguing about hearing regular compressed DTS like you are hearing, but uncompressed lossless audio, which you are NOT hearing. You would be astounded at the difference... probably even more since you are stuck listening to a Kenwood receiver...yuck. You must have had some tight budget constraints at the time huh?
[QUOTE="dru26"][QUOTE="BroweChisox"][QUOTE="dru26"]You do not need HDMI for your reciever to output DTS. I use optical, on my Kenwood 5.1. Alot of people are also getting suckered into buying HDMI recievers that only have an HDMI passthrough. A true HDMI reciever is well over $1000.BroweChisoxYou are wrong. There are plenty of cheap options such as the Denon AVR-887, widely accepted as the best 'future proof' cheap receiver. We were not arguing about hearing regular compressed DTS like you are hearing, but uncompressed lossless audio, which you are NOT hearing. You would be astounded at the difference... probably even more since you are stuck listening to a Kenwood receiver...yuck. You must have had some tight budget constraints at the time huh?
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