The response I got for the last post warrants this one.

Wow, I didn't expect the harsh reply for the post about Sony needing to deliver rather than just promise stuff. Jeez. Look, I'm a Sony fan, I play 360 with my friends, but Sony has a special place in my heart and the only next-gen system I own is PS3. But seriously, I don't get why everyone isn't demanding a little more. I like Resistance and Motorstorm and all, and I know that 360, PS2 and PS1 didn't have a lot of games at launch either, but people, Sony were the ones that chose to release the PS3 so much later than the 360. Do you not think that releasing a system with only a couple worthwhile games into a market that features a similar system with multiple must owns already would not warrant Sony to at least release the PS3 with just as many great titles? Come on, think about it. Why do you think PS3 gets thrashed all the time. It enters a market with a system that has similar power and already has titles like Crackdown, Dead Rising, Gears of War and Lost Planet, and Sony thinks the PS3 will be fine with just Resistance and Motorstorm? Look they're great, but they needed more right? VF5 is good and all too, but it will be on 360 soon enough.

Now, for an example of what I mean with Lair. The original XBOX was released well after PS2 and still did well because its launch featured a game that revolutionized games, Halo. It was the evolution of FPS gaming....does Sony have that right now? Motorstorm is incredible, its physics are amazing, but is it revolutionary and a must own? Resistance may be better than Halo, but really, does it do anything truly spectacular to place itself in a new zone of awesomeness all by itself? The answer is no. Hence why I am saying Sony needs to release something that is TRULY next-gen and revolutionary. Will Lair be this? Maybe, its the first game to actually use some PS3 features not just as novelties. How about Heavenly Sword? And why wouldn't Sony have the power to release them a little early? THEY'RE THE PUBLISHER. THe one that takes care of marketing, distributing and all that fun stuff. They could if they wanted and I think they need to. Push that developer hard and get it out early. I know PS3 will be the king in the end, but come on. We need more to join our side and I think this may be a necessary thing to do.

No matter how you slice it, no matter how much people may say they dont like it, Resistance will never come close to Halo. Not in popularity and ESPECIALLY not in sales.

That one sentence you said aside, that was a really well-thought piece you wrote.  

No matter how you slice it, no matter how much people may say they dont like it, Resistance will never come close to Halo. Not in popularity and ESPECIALLY not in sales.

That one sentence you said aside, that was a really well-thought piece you wrote.  

Mark2099

Haha, all opinion I guess. I like Halo as well, but I love R&C and Resistance had that feel to it so I lean more towards it. Thanks for the "well-thought" bit.

No matter how you slice it, no matter how much people may say they dont like it, Resistance will never come close to Halo. Not in popularity and ESPECIALLY not in sales.

That one sentence you said aside, that was a really well-thought piece you wrote.

Mark2099

I didn't read your post.Hot_Potato

Thanks

Yah know, I have a real simple response for this and you are not going to like it.

You're going to have to wait. While you took the time to make a longer post it really doesn't say anything at all. Your only solution is that Sony should rush some developers that they are publishing a game for in the hopes that it will be the break away title you are looking for. Yes, Halo came out at the launch of the Xbox and it is the sole reason the system survived, but the PS3 actually has a decent number of well rated titles and some of them are even exclusive. You're complaining about a system that has just hit the five month mark. Do you not see what is wrong with that? While the rest of us are enjoying Resistance, Motorstorm, Oblivion, and any of the other titles people may enjoy (I for one love Full Auto 2), you are pining away for something new.

Find some games you want to play right now or spend some time on another console. The PS3 isn't going anywhere and the library of games is just getting into motion. Sit back and be patient.

The thread starter has a point. He is saying that Sony is playing catch-up to the 360.

Wii is the same age but does not play the catch-up game cause they are making completely different games.

I didn't read your post.Hot_Potato

No matter how you slice it, no matter how much people may say they dont like it, Resistance will never come close to Halo. Not in popularity and ESPECIALLY not in sales.

That one sentence you said aside, that was a really well-thought piece you wrote.  

Mark2099

[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]I didn't read your post.Lucio1007

Thanks, again.

[QUOTE="Mark2099"]

No matter how you slice it, no matter how much people may say they dont like it, Resistance will never come close to Halo. Not in popularity and ESPECIALLY not in sales.

That one sentence you said aside, that was a really well-thought piece you wrote.  

theshadow1212

Oh come on, for God's sake can we just have a smart thread without the bias people? His opinion is his opinion. Hell, I've been called a Sony fanboy by some but even I can admit Gears of War and Halo are incredible. Will Halo 3 be any different? I doubt it. But don't think I'm defending you entirely now Mark, lol, I still like Resistance better.

The problem is you can't just make a Halo or GTA happen.

You don't get these games often, in fact it's very rare. First the game has to be 'IT', the console maker has to see that it is 'IT', they have to have what it takes to get it exclusive and they have to make it happen.

On finding IT....Lair and Heavenly Sword both have potential, but neither strike me as revolutionary games. Great games? Maybe. GTA/Halo of this gen? Doubt it. I don't see anything in Sony's publishing lineup that strikes of massive success, ala GTA last gen.

On securing IT.....Sony doesn't have nearly as much leverage as last gen. Microsoft has the installed base advantage this time and will keep that for years, and most likely the rest of this gen. They will have an easier time of securing exclusives and swaying formerly PS exclusives (like DMC 4 / GTA). We''ll see how well Sony works as the underdog now.

The good things....Sony does have a good eye for games and has done a good job in the past of securing the good stuff (they've just never had to do it as the underdog).

I agree, Sony needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I just don't see any magic anytime soon.

One thing I disagree with you on.....The DUMBEST thing Sony could do is rush a game. Self published games really need to be polished.....cause they are not only about making a buck so much as making the system. Rushing Lair or anything that is worth waiting on would be a really bad move.

The problem is you can't just make a Halo or GTA happen.

You don't get these games often, in fact it's very rare. First the game has to be 'IT', the console maker has to see that it is 'IT', they have to have what it takes to get it exclusive and they have to make it happen.

On finding IT....Lair and Heavenly Sword both have potential, but neither strike me as revolutionary games. Great games? Maybe. GTA/Halo of this gen? Doubt it. I don't see anything in Sony's publishing lineup that strikes of massive success, ala GTA last gen.

On securing IT.....Sony doesn't have nearly as much leverage as last gen. Microsoft has the installed base advantage this time and will keep that for years, and most likely the rest of this gen. They will have an easier time of securing exclusives and swaying formerly PS exclusives (like DMC 4 / GTA). We''ll see how well Sony works as the underdog now.

The good things....Sony does have a good eye for games and has done a good job in the past of securing the good stuff (they've just never had to do it as the underdog).

I agree, Sony needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I just don't see any magic anytime soon.

One thing I disagree with you on.....The DUMBEST thing Sony could do is rush a game. Self published games really need to be polished.....cause they are not only about making a buck so much as making the system. Rushing Lair or anything that is worth waiting on would be a really bad move.

Hulabaloza

[QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]

The problem is you can't just make a Halo or GTA happen.

You don't get these games often, in fact it's very rare. First the game has to be 'IT', the console maker has to see that it is 'IT', they have to have what it takes to get it exclusive and they have to make it happen.

On finding IT....Lair and Heavenly Sword both have potential, but neither strike me as revolutionary games. Great games? Maybe. GTA/Halo of this gen? Doubt it. I don't see anything in Sony's publishing lineup that strikes of massive success, ala GTA last gen.

On securing IT.....Sony doesn't have nearly as much leverage as last gen. Microsoft has the installed base advantage this time and will keep that for years, and most likely the rest of this gen. They will have an easier time of securing exclusives and swaying formerly PS exclusives (like DMC 4 / GTA). We''ll see how well Sony works as the underdog now.

The good things....Sony does have a good eye for games and has done a good job in the past of securing the good stuff (they've just never had to do it as the underdog).

I agree, Sony needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I just don't see any magic anytime soon.

One thing I disagree with you on.....The DUMBEST thing Sony could do is rush a game. Self published games really need to be polished.....cause they are not only about making a buck so much as making the system. Rushing Lair or anything that is worth waiting on would be a really bad move.

gam3r3OOO

I believe that the comment about Sony rushing games being the dumbest thing they could do right now is no pushed aside in the face of this here comment: A price drop would be nice (like $200). Oh, I'm sure it would. Then Sony could lose even more money per console, probably start charging for online (which would then cost more in the longrun) and then most likely go under with its videogame division because it just cannot afford to produce PS3's despite the fact they're selling. I believe that many ariticles have cited that Sony actually loses money as is. So, uh, price drops won't be coming for some time now.

[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]I didn't read your post.Lucio1007

[QUOTE="theshadow1212"][QUOTE="Mark2099"]

No matter how you slice it, no matter how much people may say they dont like it, Resistance will never come close to Halo. Not in popularity and ESPECIALLY not in sales.

That one sentence you said aside, that was a really well-thought piece you wrote.  

SkyCastleDan

Oh come on, for God's sake can we just have a smart thread without the bias people? His opinion is his opinion. Hell, I've been called a Sony fanboy by some but even I can admit Gears of War and Halo are incredible. Will Halo 3 be any different? I doubt it. But don't think I'm defending you entirely now Mark, lol, I still like Resistance better.

[QUOTE="Lucio1007"][QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]I didn't read your post.Phoenix963

Oie, what the hell is going on with my posts? They're all coming up blank.....anyways, glad I could help you see things a little differently.

[QUOTE="gam3r3OOO"][QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]

The problem is you can't just make a Halo or GTA happen.

You don't get these games often, in fact it's very rare. First the game has to be 'IT', the console maker has to see that it is 'IT', they have to have what it takes to get it exclusive and they have to make it happen.

On finding IT....Lair and Heavenly Sword both have potential, but neither strike me as revolutionary games. Great games? Maybe. GTA/Halo of this gen? Doubt it. I don't see anything in Sony's publishing lineup that strikes of massive success, ala GTA last gen.

On securing IT.....Sony doesn't have nearly as much leverage as last gen. Microsoft has the installed base advantage this time and will keep that for years, and most likely the rest of this gen. They will have an easier time of securing exclusives and swaying formerly PS exclusives (like DMC 4 / GTA). We''ll see how well Sony works as the underdog now.

The good things....Sony does have a good eye for games and has done a good job in the past of securing the good stuff (they've just never had to do it as the underdog).

I agree, Sony needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I just don't see any magic anytime soon.

One thing I disagree with you on.....The DUMBEST thing Sony could do is rush a game. Self published games really need to be polished.....cause they are not only about making a buck so much as making the system. Rushing Lair or anything that is worth waiting on would be a really bad move.

SkyCastleDan

I believe that the comment about Sony rushing games being the dumbest thing they could do right now is no pushed aside in the face of this here comment: A price drop would be nice (like $200). Oh, I'm sure it would. Then Sony could lose even more money per console, probably start charging for online (which would then cost more in the longrun) and then most likely go under with its videogame division because it just cannot afford to produce PS3's despite the fact they're selling. I believe that many ariticles have cited that Sony actually loses money as is. So, uh, price drops won't be coming for some time now.

[QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"][QUOTE="gam3r3OOO"][QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]

The problem is you can't just make a Halo or GTA happen.

You don't get these games often, in fact it's very rare. First the game has to be 'IT', the console maker has to see that it is 'IT', they have to have what it takes to get it exclusive and they have to make it happen.

On finding IT....Lair and Heavenly Sword both have potential, but neither strike me as revolutionary games. Great games? Maybe. GTA/Halo of this gen? Doubt it. I don't see anything in Sony's publishing lineup that strikes of massive success, ala GTA last gen.

On securing IT.....Sony doesn't have nearly as much leverage as last gen. Microsoft has the installed base advantage this time and will keep that for years, and most likely the rest of this gen. They will have an easier time of securing exclusives and swaying formerly PS exclusives (like DMC 4 / GTA). We''ll see how well Sony works as the underdog now.

The good things....Sony does have a good eye for games and has done a good job in the past of securing the good stuff (they've just never had to do it as the underdog).

I agree, Sony needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I just don't see any magic anytime soon.

One thing I disagree with you on.....The DUMBEST thing Sony could do is rush a game. Self published games really need to be polished.....cause they are not only about making a buck so much as making the system. Rushing Lair or anything that is worth waiting on would be a really bad move.

gam3r3OOO

I believe that the comment about Sony rushing games being the dumbest thing they could do right now is no pushed aside in the face of this here comment: A price drop would be nice (like $200). Oh, I'm sure it would. Then Sony could lose even more money per console, probably start charging for online (which would then cost more in the longrun) and then most likely go under with its videogame division because it just cannot afford to produce PS3's despite the fact they're selling. I believe that many ariticles have cited that Sony actually loses money as is. So, uh, price drops won't be coming for some time now.

Sales aside, Sony would then lose more money then they're losing now! Oie!

[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"]I didn't read your post.Lucio1007

[QUOTE="gam3r3OOO"][QUOTE="Hulabaloza"]

The problem is you can't just make a Halo or GTA happen.

You don't get these games often, in fact it's very rare. First the game has to be 'IT', the console maker has to see that it is 'IT', they have to have what it takes to get it exclusive and they have to make it happen.

On finding IT....Lair and Heavenly Sword both have potential, but neither strike me as revolutionary games. Great games? Maybe. GTA/Halo of this gen? Doubt it. I don't see anything in Sony's publishing lineup that strikes of massive success, ala GTA last gen.

On securing IT.....Sony doesn't have nearly as much leverage as last gen. Microsoft has the installed base advantage this time and will keep that for years, and most likely the rest of this gen. They will have an easier time of securing exclusives and swaying formerly PS exclusives (like DMC 4 / GTA). We''ll see how well Sony works as the underdog now.

The good things....Sony does have a good eye for games and has done a good job in the past of securing the good stuff (they've just never had to do it as the underdog).

I agree, Sony needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I just don't see any magic anytime soon.

One thing I disagree with you on.....The DUMBEST thing Sony could do is rush a game. Self published games really need to be polished.....cause they are not only about making a buck so much as making the system. Rushing Lair or anything that is worth waiting on would be a really bad move.

SkyCastleDan

I believe that the comment about Sony rushing games being the dumbest thing they could do right now is no pushed aside in the face of this here comment: A price drop would be nice (like $200). Oh, I'm sure it would. Then Sony could lose even more money per console, probably start charging for online (which would then cost more in the longrun) and then most likely go under with its videogame division because it just cannot afford to produce PS3's despite the fact they're selling. I believe that many ariticles have cited that Sony actually loses money as is. So, uh, price drops won't be coming for some time now.

Wow, I didn't expect the harsh reply for the post about Sony needing to deliver rather than just promise stuff. Jeez. Look, I'm a Sony fan, I play 360 with my friends, but Sony has a special place in my heart and the only next-gen system I own is PS3. But seriously, I don't get why everyone isn't demanding a little more. I like Resistance and Motorstorm and all, and I know that 360, PS2 and PS1 didn't have a lot of games at launch either, but people, Sony were the ones that chose to release the PS3 so much later than the 360. Do you not think that releasing a system with only a couple worthwhile games into a market that features a similar system with multiple must owns already would not warrant Sony to at least release the PS3 with just as many great titles? Come on, think about it. Why do you think PS3 gets thrashed all the time. It enters a market with a system that has similar power and already has titles like Crackdown, Dead Rising, Gears of War and Lost Planet, and Sony thinks the PS3 will be fine with just Resistance and Motorstorm? Look they're great, but they needed more right? VF5 is good and all too, but it will be on 360 soon enough.

Now, for an example of what I mean with Lair. The original XBOX was released well after PS2 and still did well because its launch featured a game that revolutionized games, Halo. It was the evolution of FPS gaming....does Sony have that right now? Motorstorm is incredible, its physics are amazing, but is it revolutionary and a must own? Resistance may be better than Halo, but really, does it do anything truly spectacular to place itself in a new zone of awesomeness all by itself? The answer is no. Hence why I am saying Sony needs to release something that is TRULY next-gen and revolutionary. Will Lair be this? Maybe, its the first game to actually use some PS3 features not just as novelties. How about Heavenly Sword? And why wouldn't Sony have the power to release them a little early? THEY'RE THE PUBLISHER. THe one that takes care of marketing, distributing and all that fun stuff. They could if they wanted and I think they need to. Push that developer hard and get it out early. I know PS3 will be the king in the end, but come on. We need more to join our side and I think this may be a necessary thing to do.

I agree that more could have been done at launch; especially the release of SCEA published games like Lair and HS. In addition release of games like Gundam, Full auto, and Genji probably hurt the system more than if there were 3 games less at launch. (LOL, no offense to those who liked those games) Nonetheless, quicker actions could have been taken and heavier hitter games released, and as we see from experience, more time doesn't equal great results. So in the end, I don't see the reason why people wouldn't want more from the PS3, after all, with all of the hype, expectations, and promises that wouldn't be somewhat disappointed with this start. And then come the issues regarding the loss of exclusive titles starts to pile up even before the system reached it's 1st birthday. So, yes, there is reason to feel let down. I am thinking objectively here, because I personally did not feel this way, but realize many do. However, I think  

Nice critical though process, we need more constructive comments like yours, instead of the non-stop bashing and "another nail in the coffin" talk. 

 

I believe that the comment about Sony rushing games being the dumbest thing they could do right now is no pushed aside in the face of this here comment: A price drop would be nice (like $200). Oh, I'm sure it would. Then Sony could lose even more money per console, probably start charging for online (which would then cost more in the longrun) and then most likely go under with its videogame division because it just cannot afford to produce PS3's despite the fact they're selling. I believe that many ariticles have cited that Sony actually loses money as is. So, uh, price drops won't be coming for some time now.

SkyCastleDan

I don't think Sony has any option. You can't pull a system selling gaming revolutionary out of the air. The only thing that is going to make the PS3 appeal to people OTHER THAN that is the promise of those games in the future.....and a price that people can understand.

If the PS3 isn't on the market for under $400 this Christmas, it's going to be a major disaster.

You are right and wrong. Yes we do need to show what this machine is capable of to get things going, but i dont think it will happen untill lair, killzone, or mgs come out.

To all you people who are saying you didnt read the post, are saying he types to much, or dont ever read the entire post just leave, because his posts have statements to backup what he is saying and it actually makes sense unlike the majority of the posts on this board.

Resistance and Motorstorm blew everything away that the Xbox 360 had until Gears of War came out. 
I waited for months for GeOW to come out. The only game that I played on my Xbox 360 was Halo 2. PDZ was awful and Oblivion is better on the PC. 
All this PS3 has horrible gaming is complete bull. Motorstorm is one of the greatest racing games I have played. It is up there with GT3 and the old need for speeds. It took Xbox 360 12 months to get a AAA title out into the market. PS3 will get their AAA titles out in 3-4 months and that is not including MGS4, Killzone 2, Final Fantasy, and so on.
It is sickening that the whole Xbox Fanboy uses the stupid "PS3 iz so stuped! No gamez to I play and GeOW owns allz!" 
So to conclude it took 12 MONTHS TO RELEASE A AAA GAME.
shazanarkand

I did take 12 months huh. And that's the best exclusive the 360 has. It really is just like the original xbox. First it was Halo used to justify Xbox's greatness and now it's Gears for 360. Both games, i might add, great but not-out-of-this-world amazing. Halo = great graphics at that time Gears = great graphics now. Take that away, and what do you have? Really... it a question, think about it. I liked those games nd they're fun to play (especially multi) but i wouln'd spend a second on them if they had only decent graphics, and all the people i played with said "look at these graphics" and when i asked what else is awesome  or revolutionary about it... there was silence. True strory people, true story.

[QUOTE="SkyCastleDan"]

 

I believe that the comment about Sony rushing games being the dumbest thing they could do right now is no pushed aside in the face of this here comment: A price drop would be nice (like $200). Oh, I'm sure it would. Then Sony could lose even more money per console, probably start charging for online (which would then cost more in the longrun) and then most likely go under with its videogame division because it just cannot afford to produce PS3's despite the fact they're selling. I believe that many ariticles have cited that Sony actually loses money as is. So, uh, price drops won't be coming for some time now.

Hulabaloza

I don't think Sony has any option. You can't pull a system selling gaming revolutionary out of the air. The only thing that is going to make the PS3 appeal to people OTHER THAN that is the promise of those games in the future.....and a price that people can understand.

If the PS3 isn't on the market for under $400 this Christmas, it's going to be a major disaster.

I love Sony but seriously... Resistance sucks... there's no atmosphere and the story is very generic... BUT! The same could be said for Halo. The ONLY reason that these games are popular is because Fanboys need something to cling to. Both games were hyped through hear-say and both sold very well because of it on their respective systems. "Omg dude! I jus played the only cool game they've eva made on my friends system at his house and it was f***ing AWESOME!" (replace the words "the only cool game they've eva made" with either Halo or Resistence and there you go...). The only difference is that the PS3 has been out for about 5 months now and they've had they're clinger for a while. Xbox 360 took a year to dish out Gears of War and that's just a game to hold people over until the "only reason to buy a 360" comes out later this year.JestaDude

i hate the person who made this forum. You sir are dumb. I was saying the exact same things and you were bashing me so F*** you

luludooobee111

No, you said the PS3 sucks and all its games suck. I make suggestions, logical ones coming from a business student, that actually explain the system's issues and analyzes its lack of sales. Plus I don't make dumb comments like "Resistance is the worst FPS I've ever played".  So, in fact sir, you are dumb and I hate you. lol.

OH, and might I add that you still haven't told me whether or not you've played Madden 07 or Marvel on the X360. So what's the deal? Did you play them on that system. Do they only suck on PS3?

That's why I was bashing you, because you supplied no proof other than hopeless "I camped for the PS3" statements to prove that you're not just some random 360Fanboy on here to bash everything on PS3. I personally liked Madden and Marvel for PS3, but they're really just rents.

So now, what's the deal, have you played them on any other system? I'm guessing you have, and I'm guessing that they're sooooo great on that platform. Don't curse me out when I just proved you are a fanboy on another thread. Jeez.

The problem is you can't just make a Halo or GTA happen.

You don't get these games often, in fact it's very rare. First the game has to be 'IT', the console maker has to see that it is 'IT', they have to have what it takes to get it exclusive and they have to make it happen.

On finding IT....Lair and Heavenly Sword both have potential, but neither strike me as revolutionary games. Great games? Maybe. GTA/Halo of this gen? Doubt it. I don't see anything in Sony's publishing lineup that strikes of massive success, ala GTA last gen.

On securing IT.....Sony doesn't have nearly as much leverage as last gen. Microsoft has the installed base advantage this time and will keep that for years, and most likely the rest of this gen. They will have an easier time of securing exclusives and swaying formerly PS exclusives (like DMC 4 / GTA). We''ll see how well Sony works as the underdog now.

The good things....Sony does have a good eye for games and has done a good job in the past of securing the good stuff (they've just never had to do it as the underdog).

I agree, Sony needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I just don't see any magic anytime soon.

One thing I disagree with you on.....The DUMBEST thing Sony could do is rush a game. Self published games really need to be polished.....cause they are not only about making a buck so much as making the system. Rushing Lair or anything that is worth waiting on would be a really bad move.

Hulabaloza

No matter how you slice it, no matter how much people may say they dont like it, Resistance will never come close to Halo. Not in popularity and ESPECIALLY not in sales.Mark2099

Actually, it's done just that and then surpassed it. That's not to say it took a lot of effort. It was a piece of **** after all.