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#1 EliteCouncilor
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OK, I am telling the truth so please don't say I'm a load of ****. I read an article about MAG(can be found at end of message), and they are surveying people about payment options. At first I couldn't believe this, because this is the ps3... and no game on the ps3 should be pay to play. But as soon as I found this out, I looked on google. Sadly it was true but another sad part is that activision and more are partnering this survey. So its the truth, PSN might charge for online. But hopefully they realize this idea is a boat load of crap, and leave it.

The article can be found here-http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26612881

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#2 naz18h
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I don't get why you said "no game on the ps3 should be pay to play" that is a problem.....

Sony has the right to charge whatever they want....however the PSN is still going to be free, there is just a possibility of MAG being subscription based....only that one game subscription like you do with Qore, not the entire PSN.

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#3 JoKeR_421
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yea ,like naz said PSN is always goign to be free, only that one game so far is being charged and sony has the right, just cuz sony charges for somethin all of a sudden doesnt make psn bad or they f'ed us or anythin, they have the right to do watever they want, and as far as in know and read they are just serveys for now asking if they should charge and how much nothin actually been said by SONY yet
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#4 Zidaneski
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I don't get why just because you gotta pay for one game means the entire PSN is gonna cost money. And besides, that survey doesn't even say MAG specifically (just to be technical, lol).
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#5 ikn3z
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Final Fantasy XII on the Xbox360 has a subscription fee, on top of your xboxlive fee...
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#6 cebcubs1
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I think that the only reason that they would be charging is so that they could maintain such a large game (256 players at once) and make it great. If it improves the online capability of the game, then I say charge. Subscriptions are why games like WoW have become so popular. Blizzard is able to maintain their servers so that the quality is high. If MAG (assuming the article is indeed talking about MAG) is able to maintain high quality with 256 players playing at once, I'll be glad to dish out a monthly subscription for it.
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#7 treelog82
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Almost Every MMO has a subscription fee. Dont see why this one would be any different.
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#8 NuKkU
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omg its just a rumor why does everybody think its true dont believe everything u hear
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#9 pyromaniac223
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omg its just a rumor why does everybody think its true dont believe everything u hearNuKkU
Because it's highly likely that this particular rumor is true. It's basically common sense.
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#10 hazelnutman
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Seeing as I refuse to pay for a game more than once, I won't be getting MAG if this is true.
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#11 GeoffZak
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I'm not getting MAG if there are fees to play online for it. It's a bad idea, everything in the game like online multiplayer and downloadable content should be free after you pay for the game itself in stores. (Or over PSN for downloadable games)
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#12 pyromaniac223
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I'm not getting MAG if there are fees to play online for it. It's a bad idea, everything in the game like online multiplayer and downloadable content should be free after you pay for the game itself in stores. (Or over PSN for downloadable games)GeoffZak
I guess you don't know how MMOs work

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#13 CorporateHammer
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Well it really depends on how much the fee will be. Quite honestly PSN being free could open up the flood gates for subscription based games. I personally would rather pay for PSN like live (I think there are only 2 fee based games for live), However if they are hosting 256 player matches and do so with virtually no lag, I would be willing to pay.
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#14 ronniepage588
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no where does it say PSN will charge pal. just MAG

its an mmo shooter. im not surprised. i doubt it will go through though. stop jumpin the gun.

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#15 Igetyourdogtag
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MAG should really be considered an MMO.

It uses dedicated servers to host battles... and those servers arent to cheap. that also means almost no lag, though

another up side to paying is they want you to subscribe more so they make dlc and patches more often than any other game.

I wouldnt mind a 5 dollar fee anyway... even if your a kid you can go take out the trash for 5 days or something

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#16 K1LLR3175
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I kinda figured that this was going to be the one game that they would charge for.This should not be considered a problem[if the price is right]cause if the game is fun to play then people will not mind paying a few dollars ever month.Now if they charge something like 30 bucks a month,then we got a problem.
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#17 CorporateHammer
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no where does it say PSN will charge pal. just MAG

its an mmo shooter. im not surprised. i doubt it will go through though. stop jumpin the gun.

ronniepage588

LOL.. I said I would prefer to pay for PSN... no where did I say PSN was charging...

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#18 JonesWs
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hell i will pay for mag just to support sony they give us free online
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#19 FF6fan
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i don't get why people are so surprised about this....it takes money to keep up servers for massive multiplayer games. Unless you want blatant advertising between every game you enter or leave then your going to have to cough up an extra $5 or $10. I won't be getting this game, because i don't pay for online, but it's understandable that their going to charge for it.

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#20 signore
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my interest is gone from this game... If i wanted to be milked id have gotten a 360
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#21 Mujambo
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I read one article from I think kotaku a while ago saying that it might be a SOCOM MMO type game. If it's an MMO, they are all pay to play. Personally, I have never played MMOs but if you do put in the time, you're actually saving money in because you play fewer games. However, like many have said, wait till it comes out and we know more about it before judging it.
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#22 TheTenth10
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it's 99,99% sure that the MMORPGs will not be free to play, and I have more interest in them than MAG
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#23 -ArchAngeL-777-
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After seeing the MAG concept at E3, I dont mind paying to play it. If they need money for server support...fine. They pull this off, and it will be the end of all other shooters.
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#24 AGMing
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i play MMO's so am no stranger to monthly subscriptions. to be honest if MAG lives up to the expectations i have for it i will have no problem in paying for it.

MAG is basically a small scale MMO so there will be servers that need to be run and maintained along with continued bug fixes and addition content being added these things are not free.

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#25 Timmeus
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Why is everyone saying that because it's MMOish that it has to have subscription fees, plenty of MMOs are either entirely free, have extras you pay for or just have a initial cost like a normal game.

It comes as no surprise that they are considering subscription fees but I think it's a bad idea and will put a lot of people off from buying the game including me.

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#26 steel_0
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Whatever,I am not buying this there are so much better games in 2009:Resident Evil 5,Heavy Rain,God of War 3,Killzone 2,team ICO title....
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#27 sonic0491
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im not getting it, id rather get something like warhawk, pay once for the actual physical game. Subscriptions are bs.
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#28 Blaiyze1
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Well Sony did say that PSN will be free but legally dev's are allowed to charge to play their game, i wouldnt expect this from a game actaully being developed by Sony but hell if they're gonna charge to play it has to be good!
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#29 RTUUMM
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I dont know about you but me and my friend pretty much figure that they would charge us for it as soon as we saw E3.
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#30 PSYB0RG1
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Final Fantasy XII on the Xbox360 has a subscription fee, on top of your xboxlive fee...ikn3z

It can be played on silver account.

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#31 BobRea
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OK, I am telling the truth so please don't say I'm a load of ****. I read an article about MAG(can be found at end of message), and they are surveying people about payment options. At first I couldn't believe this, because this is the ps3... and no game on the ps3 should be pay to play. But as soon as I found this out, I looked on google. Sadly it was true but another sad part is that activision and more are partnering this survey. So its the truth, PSN might charge for online. But hopefully they realize this idea is a boat load of crap, and leave it.

The article can be found here-http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26612881

EliteCouncilor

I don't really have a problem with having to pay. It's not going to be expensive.

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#32 LordReithgar
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I think that the only reason that they would be charging is so that they could maintain such a large game (256 players at once) and make it great. If it improves the online capability of the game, then I say charge. Subscriptions are why games like WoW have become so popular. Blizzard is able to maintain their servers so that the quality is high. If MAG (assuming the article is indeed talking about MAG) is able to maintain high quality with 256 players playing at once, I'll be glad to dish out a monthly subscription for it.cebcubs1

Investment to keep a mmo update and running is far more costy then a normal game like MAG. Even though mmo's monthly fee is a boat load of crap. Blizzard makes profit when you buy a game and they make THAT much more profit with monthly subscription, it never cost that much to upkeek their server.

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[QUOTE="cebcubs1"]I think that the only reason that they would be charging is so that they could maintain such a large game (256 players at once) and make it great. If it improves the online capability of the game, then I say charge. Subscriptions are why games like WoW have become so popular. Blizzard is able to maintain their servers so that the quality is high. If MAG (assuming the article is indeed talking about MAG) is able to maintain high quality with 256 players playing at once, I'll be glad to dish out a monthly subscription for it.LordReithgar

Investment to keep a mmo update and running is far more costy then a normal game like MAG. Even though mmo's monthly fee is a boat load of crap. Blizzard makes profit when you buy a game and they make THAT much more profit with monthly subscription, it never cost that much to upkeek their server.

Do you know how long it takes to pay off the loads of fiberoptic cable thats wired to the server warehouse? How about paying for the actual service? How about how much energy it takes to cool a server farm - and when your energy rate goes up, what then? And when the hardware fails (because it is hardware and it does have a lifespan)? With a one time pay game, they would have one time pay expenses... but a continuous outside operation incurs so called operating costs. At the point when support costs exceed a certain amount, they would drop support for the game entirely to maintain the overall goal of PROFITABILITY... because they have a legal obligation to shareholders.

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#34 Keasy4
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its a Big shooter MMO.. 256 players i mean god help the super laggin on that game... if i pay for it i wouldnt want any lagging atleast..
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[QUOTE="LordReithgar"]

[QUOTE="cebcubs1"]I think that the only reason that they would be charging is so that they could maintain such a large game (256 players at once) and make it great. If it improves the online capability of the game, then I say charge. Subscriptions are why games like WoW have become so popular. Blizzard is able to maintain their servers so that the quality is high. If MAG (assuming the article is indeed talking about MAG) is able to maintain high quality with 256 players playing at once, I'll be glad to dish out a monthly subscription for it.RomanticFool

Investment to keep a mmo update and running is far more costy then a normal game like MAG. Even though mmo's monthly fee is a boat load of crap. Blizzard makes profit when you buy a game and they make THAT much more profit with monthly subscription, it never cost that much to upkeek their server.

Do you know how long it takes to pay off the loads of fiberoptic cable thats wired to the server warehouse? How about paying for the actual service? How about how much energy it takes to cool a server farm - and when your energy rate goes up, what then? And when the hardware fails (because it is hardware and it does have a lifespan)? With a one time pay game, they would have one time pay expenses... but a continuous outside operation incurs so called operating costs. At the point when support costs exceed a certain amount, they would drop support for the game entirely to maintain the overall goal of PROFITABILITY... because they have a legal obligation to shareholders.

This explains the issue for all to understand.

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#36 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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I don't believe in a pay to play system. Never have, never will.

Subscription fees are just an excuse to get more money while spinning webs of lies about servers and high costs. But those are really minor expenses when you think of the revenue you make off the amount of people playing.

Blizzard make huge amounts of revenue, by now I'm sure their expenses are relatively small which amounts to large profits. Not my thing.

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#37 hot114
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OK, I am telling the truth so please don't say I'm a load of ****. I read an article about MAG(can be found at end of message), and they are surveying people about payment options. At first I couldn't believe this, because this is the ps3... and no game on the ps3 should be pay to play. But as soon as I found this out, I looked on google. Sadly it was true but another sad part is that activision and more are partnering this survey. So its the truth, PSN might charge for online. But hopefully they realize this idea is a boat load of crap, and leave it.

The article can be found here-http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26612881

EliteCouncilor



You do realise SOE is the creator of 2 huge monthly fee payments right? one even being the (now decrowned) king of MMORPG's Everquest!
Monthly fees is nothing new, the PS2 already boosted everquest: online adventurers and i believe FF11 also got released for it, not entirely sure on that last one as the HDD never got an euro release.

There is notthing negative about online fees its a guarantee of quality. bugs are patched within weeks after discovery and gameplay is constantly being balanced and tweaked till perfection.
Point is no matter how long a game spends in beta it can never compare to having 2K players hoping on and off 24/7 worldwide entire clans WILL spend hours testing every nook and crany for exploitability and the players imagination can create unbalances the creators havent even thought of during development.

Continuous support is a great thing to have and i'l be happy to pay a few measly euros a month when that buys me dedicated servers and quality online play devoid of glitching morons.