Ubisoft contradicted themselves!

A while back we as PS3 owners were told that Splinter Cell will not be coming to the Ps3 because it could not handle the AI support they were throwing at the hardware. I recently looked at the videos of Assassins Creed and to me the AI in that seemed as if it would be similar to Splinter Cells. So, I ask what is the real reason the game is not coming to the PS3? why they did not just say that Microsoft paid them? Why lie and dis the Ps3?

I must add as a fan off Splinter Cell I was disappointed at this news because I wanted to see what happened after double agent. Now, though I am feeling better because AC is looking to be great. Hopefully they release a Splinter cell after 360 looses exclusiveness.

i posted a smilar topic a few months ago, altough it was about Splinter Cell and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (another Ubisoft game).

really... saying that Ubisoft is contradicting itself is too general. while the dev teams making GRAW2, AC, and SC are all under the Ubisoft name... they are still different teams with different opinions on the console hardware.

i posted a smilar topic a few months ago, altough it was about Splinter Cell and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (another Ubisoft game).

really... saying that Ubisoft is contradicting itself is too general. while the dev teams making GRAW2, AC, and SC are all under the Ubisoft name... they are still different teams with different opinions on the console hardware.

c0mplex

Very good point. There are several different teams doing different things. But as far as AI goes(which was their main concern) I can not see a difference. So, much so I could say it seemed as if AI was done by the same programming group. Like they just copied and pasted their code functions into each game.

In general, I guess I am saying don't dis the hardware. Especially, if the problem you are having with software has been solved before.

Hmm? Ubisoft contradicted themselves again? Put another mark on the calendar!

I connected the dots and made and elephant this time. :D

What are you guys talking about? Quit bashing Splinter Cell now. How has SC sucked since the second one??!??! The second and third are like the best in the series! Mostly for the multiplayer. IMO SC is better than MGS, especally for multiplayer, hands down. I would go as farand say that I'd might prefer SC:Conviction over MGS4.GreasyFetus69

umm the only reason SC beats MGS on multiplayer is because MGS has never had mulitplayer so your point there is pointless plus MGO is coming out so then MGS will beat SC at all types of game play.

everyone entitled to their opinions i personally hate MGS and luv SC, doesn't make me right or wrong. even if the AI could only be achieved on the other console they could still change it a bit and port it over so really AI is kind of a weak excuse in my opinion.

personally i believe all games should be multiplat and each version should take advantage of the hardware so they would be different and have something to offer for everyone.

Hmm? Ubisoft contradicted themselves again? Put another mark on the calendar!

I connected the dots and made and elephant this time. :D

AnFangs_Endes

[QUOTE="GreasyFetus69"]What are you guys talking about? Quit bashing Splinter Cell now. How has SC sucked since the second one??!??! The second and third are like the best in the series! Mostly for the multiplayer. IMO SC is better than MGS, especally for multiplayer, hands down. I would go as farand say that I'd might prefer SC:Conviction over MGS4.spike6958

umm the only reason SC beats MGS on multiplayer is because MGS has never had mulitplayer so your point there is pointless plus MGO is coming out so then MGS will beat SC at all types of game play.

and how is splinter cell a wannabe MGS??? just because theyre both stealth games?? im tired of these bashers. i wouldnt be surprised if they were fanboys hating the fact that SC is on the competitors platform

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[QUOTE="GreasyFetus69"]What are you guys talking about? Quit bashing Splinter Cell now. How has SC sucked since the second one??!??! The second and third are like the best in the series! Mostly for the multiplayer. IMO SC is better than MGS, especally for multiplayer, hands down. I would go as farand say that I'd might prefer SC:Conviction over MGS4.tokenisadog

umm the only reason SC beats MGS on multiplayer is because MGS has never had mulitplayer so your point there is pointless plus MGO is coming out so then MGS will beat SC at all types of game play.

and how is splinter cell a wannabe MGS??? just because theyre both stealth games?? im tired of these bashers. i wouldnt be surprised if they were fanboys hating the fact that SC is on the competitors platform

All Splinter Cell Games were on all platforms and they all suck other than the first one. Lame Story is what makes it shi*** compared to MGS.

TC, what you meant was that they "lied," not that they contradicted themselves. To contradict themselves, they would have had to have made two opposite statements.

For example: The sky is blue. No, the sky is red.

All Splinter Cell Games were on all platforms and they all suck other than the first one. Lame Story is what makes it shi*** compared to MGS.

PS2Hawk

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Hmm? Ubisoft contradicted themselves again? Put another mark on the calendar!

I connected the dots and made and elephant this time. :D

Vyse_Legends

That's strange ... seeing as that's what I got last month. :?

I'm sorry to say but the PS3's teraflops makes it a much better choice for AI. I could get into explaining this but some of you don't think numbers mean anything. I can say, the higher the flop, the higher the calculations. (Why does AI need to do? Calculate.)

RSX not being able to handle lights? WTH? The 360 is limited by DirectX 9. The PS3 isn't.

[QUOTE="Vyse_Legends"][QUOTE="AnFangs_Endes"]

Hmm? Ubisoft contradicted themselves again? Put another mark on the calendar!

I connected the dots and made and elephant this time. :D

AnFangs_Endes

That's strange ... seeing as that's what I got last month. :?

[QUOTE="GreasyFetus69"]What are you guys talking about? Quit bashing Splinter Cell now. How has SC sucked since the second one??!??! The second and third are like the best in the series! Mostly for the multiplayer. IMO SC is better than MGS, especally for multiplayer, hands down. I would go as farand say that I'd might prefer SC:Conviction over MGS4.spike6958

umm the only reason SC beats MGS on multiplayer is because MGS has never had mulitplayer so your point there is pointless plus MGO is coming out so then MGS will beat SC at all types of game play.

red light!!! SONY FANBOY ALERT!!!

the sc series is great... i dunno wtf you are talking about. more realistic, and more based on stealth than MGS has ever been....

Ok let me restate ok I guess its not a contradiction but more of a lie...For ever who made that comment I hope you are happy. Second I would like to say that I love splinter cell. just not as much as MGS. I wish I could get both thats all. Another good point someone made was that Ubi did not want to compete with MGS4, which I can understand. i just hope we PS3 owners see it later down the line.

One thing I have seemed to figure out (my theory anyways) is that Ubisoft operates by Branch instead of it being just one solid company. Ubi Shanghai did the Splinter Cell DA and they aren't fond of PS3 and yes, dare I say, LAZY to learn PS3 programming properly. There is nothing wrong with the PS3, nor there is nothing PS3 can't handle along with the 360.

But then again, you get Ubi France that did GRAW2 and they had no problems at all. They seem to like the PS3 and I think they did a good job with GRAW2.

So I would say. Don't blame Ubisoft as a whole, but blame Ubisoft Shanghai.

Ok let me restate ok I guess its not a contradiction but more of a lie...For ever who made that comment I hope you are happy. Second I would like to say that I love splinter cell. just not as much as MGS. I wish I could get both thats all. Another good point someone made was that Ubi did not want to compete with MGS4, which I can understand. i just hope we PS3 owners see it later down the line.

baller72

I'm kinda the same way. Metal Gear in #1 above all with me. But I would still play Splinter Cell cause I guess I just love stealth games period. But when I saw videos of Splinter Cell running at like 2fps, I basicly said "HELL NO" to Double Agent.

But also I have heard that they did a not so great job on the 360 version aswell (from various posts anyways). Cause when I first saw Double Agent in 2005's E3 (or was it 2006? Can't remember the VERY first time) I wanted to get it. But I was infact disappointed to find out how bad they screwed up with it.

Just because MGS has a better more involved story comapred to SC's realistc,Tom Clancy espionage, terrorist plots doesnt make it better at all. Ubisoft wanted to make the game realistic, but still with some cool gagetry that doesnt exist yet. So that means they had to leave all the magic ninjas, giant robots, and fire-breathing monkeys out of the plot, which I can understand might upset some MGS fans wanting another MGS but with a different name.

[QUOTE="PS2Hawk"]The only reason that Splinter Cell is exclusive to 360 is because MS got rejected when they tried to bribe and get MGS4, basically MS wanted Konami to announce MGS4 for 360 before PS3 version was completed/released and they said NO, other than that Splinter Cell has SUCKED since the second one.... so I they can keep their wanna be series to themselves or to Xbox I dun give a ****tokenisadog

dude just ignore him, just another stupid fanboy

I'm sorry to say but the PS3's teraflops makes it a much better choice for AI. I could get into explaining this but some of you don't think numbers mean anything. I can say, the higher the flop, the higher the calculations. (Why does AI need to do? Calculate.)

U are right with the flops and ps3. the calculations the hardware can do is crazy. But come on. Coding for that bastard is a pain in the rear. And the 360 graphics card is much much better suited for shading, and texturing. a Nvida 7600 or 7800 beating a hybrid Ati x1900? Ha!

RSX not being able to handle lights? WTH? The 360 is limited by DirectX 9. The PS3 isn't.

Game-o_O

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I'm sorry to say but the PS3's teraflops makes it a much better choice for AI. I could get into explaining this but some of you don't think numbers mean anything. I can say, the higher the flop, the higher the calculations. (Why does AI need to do? Calculate.)

U are right with the flops and ps3. the calculations the hardware can do is crazy. But come on. Coding for that bastard is a pain in the rear. And the 360 graphics card is much much better suited for shading, and texturing. a Nvida 7600 or 7800 beating a hybrid Ati x1900? Ha!

RSX not being able to handle lights? WTH? The 360 is limited by DirectX 9. The PS3 isn't.

phoenixrebirth

wait wha ? then how come the graphic quality of MotorStorm - Heavnely Sword - Ratchet - Uncharted and to some extend LAIR not even done on 360 and its been out a year more than 360 ?

The myths about 360 gpu are pure BS, there is only one good looking game on 360 and thats "GREYer of War".

Any devs saying it cannot be done on Y console because of X reason are wrong. So far, every games can be done on both PS3 and X360 and they are far from their potential.

There's hundreds of ways to do the same thing, and some of those work best on another console. When they say 'it doesn't work on Y console', they mean 'it doesn't work on Y console THE WAY IT IS NOW'.

"GREYer of War".

PS2Hawk

That's only a style, and it fits the war atmosphere perfectly. Look at MGS4 and Killzone 2, the dull colors really give those games a war atmosphere. Having colors like R&C would just kill the realism.

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"GREYer of War".

deadkingdg

That's only a style, and it fits the war atmosphere perfectly. Look at MGS4 and Killzone 2, the dull colors really give those games a war atmosphere. Having colors like R&C would just kill the realism.

Color filters. Yea alot of games do that now. But you dont need a Next gen to do that.

[QUOTE="tokenisadog"][QUOTE="spike6958"]

[QUOTE="GreasyFetus69"]What are you guys talking about? Quit bashing Splinter Cell now. How has SC sucked since the second one??!??! The second and third are like the best in the series! Mostly for the multiplayer. IMO SC is better than MGS, especally for multiplayer, hands down. I would go as farand say that I'd might prefer SC:Conviction over MGS4.PS2Hawk

umm the only reason SC beats MGS on multiplayer is because MGS has never had mulitplayer so your point there is pointless plus MGO is coming out so then MGS will beat SC at all types of game play.

and how is splinter cell a wannabe MGS??? just because theyre both stealth games?? im tired of these bashers. i wouldnt be surprised if they were fanboys hating the fact that SC is on the competitors platform

All Splinter Cell Games were on all platforms and they all suck other than the first one. Lame Story is what makes it shi*** compared to MGS.

lame story? I'll give it to you that the stories aren't the best, but by god, I would never say MGS has a good story. A hard-to-follow story is by no means a good one and from what I've tried to understand from the story by reading other's interpretations of it, it isn't that great.

[QUOTE="phoenixrebirth"][QUOTE="Game-o_O"]

I'm sorry to say but the PS3's teraflops makes it a much better choice for AI. I could get into explaining this but some of you don't think numbers mean anything. I can say, the higher the flop, the higher the calculations. (Why does AI need to do? Calculate.)

U are right with the flops and ps3. the calculations the hardware can do is crazy. But come on. Coding for that bastard is a pain in the rear. And the 360 graphics card is much much better suited for shading, and texturing. a Nvida 7600 or 7800 beating a hybrid Ati x1900? Ha!

RSX not being able to handle lights? WTH? The 360 is limited by DirectX 9. The PS3 isn't.

PS2Hawk

wait wha ? then how come the graphic quality of MotorStorm - Heavnely Sword - Ratchet - Uncharted and to some extend LAIR not even done on 360 and its been out a year more than 360 ?

The myths about 360 gpu are pure BS, there is only one good looking game on 360 and thats "GREYer of War".

Look we need to take this to system wars. lol. And no. lol @ gpu is bull. Any tech would tell u the ati x1900 would murder a GeForce 7800. The 7800 is a generation behind the x1900 and had lil to no AA. A x1900 can ever beat a 8800 in XP in benchies. In vista thats another story. lol.And please. Gears only? Have u actually seen BioShock running in real time on a 360? Matter fact I'll go older. Ghost Recon 2...Ghost Recon...Matter fact Cod3. Dont let me start on the upcoming games. lol

Hit me up in system wars then we'll talk more.

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Hmm? Ubisoft contradicted themselves again? Put another mark on the calendar!

I connected the dots and made and elephant this time. :D

Vyse_Legends

[QUOTE="Vyse_Legends"][QUOTE="AnFangs_Endes"]

Hmm? Ubisoft contradicted themselves again? Put another mark on the calendar!

I connected the dots and made and elephant this time. :D

hilltops

Thanks for reminding me to do Octobers. :lol:

Two good points people made... yea the games are not out yet and two there are two different programming teams.

Ok for the fact the game is not out yet and I should wait...True but if you listen too the interviews the devolpers give they practically say the AI do the exact same things so I am not only going by video I am going by what the programmers say they can do.

Second true there are two different teams but the fact remains that the one team said such AI could not be done on the Ps3 and the team represents UbiSOft so Instead of me pointing out that team I pointed out the company just like everyone else in AMerica does...

Secondly, I dont consider myself a fanboy I just get upset when people dis a system thats all. Truth be told if SC is not out for the PS3 by the end of 08 I will get a 360.

seriously , I see more xbots than PS3fanboys in this thread. this thread need to be locked , don't know why its brough back.

[QUOTE="hilltops"][QUOTE="Vyse_Legends"][QUOTE="AnFangs_Endes"]

Hmm? Ubisoft contradicted themselves again? Put another mark on the calendar!

I connected the dots and made and elephant this time. :D

AnFangs_Endes

Thanks for reminding me to do Octobers. :lol:

Okay, so I made a magical Unicorn. :D I can't wait to see what November holds.

[QUOTE="AnFangs_Endes"][QUOTE="hilltops"][QUOTE="Vyse_Legends"][QUOTE="AnFangs_Endes"]

Hmm? Ubisoft contradicted themselves again? Put another mark on the calendar!

I connected the dots and made and elephant this time. :D

AnFangs_Endes

Thanks for reminding me to do Octobers. :lol:

Okay, so I made a magical Unicorn. :D I can't wait to see what November holds.