As you all pobably know, the Modern warfare 2 model 1887's were nerfed because they are "overpowered". They aren't!!!!! Firstly, before the patch the shotgun could shoot 40 feet, WHICH IS COMPLETELY NORMAL FOR A SHOTGUN. Secondly, since it is unlocked at lvl 67 you only have 3 lvls to have it if you prestige and high level players should get a reward for their hard work. Would you like it if the gun that you got at lvl 70 was equal to or worse than the gun you unlocked at level 1? Probably not. Lastly, the people that complain about the 1887's are the ones who suck at the game and can't defeat those players. Seriously, EVERY gun has its strengh and weakness. Learn to manuever around them and with them.
It's a balance issue and the 1887's broke that. Only the SPAS can compare to it in terms of range, and that gun has a more condensed spread so it works. The 1887's will not be un-patched, and in fact are probably still one of the best shotguns in the game, there range may have been nerfed but the damage they deal within range is incredible. But more then likely you will not use them because the advantage has been stripped from you.
They were wayy to strong, you could literally snipe someone with them. now they have a decent range, personally they don't bother me anymore. Just how juggernaunt, camping, auto-aiming, people just need something to complain about. Only thing i dis-like is the auto-aim. Not when people use it on me, when i use it on players i don't get the same feeling a other FPS if it assits me.
Just because a player is stupid enough to get within 5 feet of a 1887 wielder doesn't make the shotgun op. Its the players fault, like I said EVERY gun has its weaknesses.
People just love to complain way to much. Painkiller is a sign they hey they may kill me now but i will kill them more later, because they obviously suck. The auto aim, imo, is just crap. I wish i didn't have the auto aim, because on more then one occasion it has ruined my chance to kill more then one person, favoring to follow someone running by. If i get killed by a camper...well shame on me, but they won't be doing it again. Are people really that dumb as to run madly into a, more then likely, well fortified area for a camper who will kill them.
Balance issue??? lol. Your telling me that its not balanced that a shotgun can shoot 40 feet in front of it? Do your research before you post.lordknukle
You want realism from a game that "sheets" out a gernade when you die 4 times in a row? They had balancing problems, can you weild two desert eagles in real like WITHOUT breaking your wrist? I think not. The simple fact you could shoot farther then an assault rifle with them was the problem, also wouldnt the people who use them suck?
Balance issue??? lol. Your telling me that its not balanced that a shotgun can shoot 40 feet in front of it? Do your research before you post.lordknukle
nah they were definitely better... id get hit from half way accross the map from them.. but if you really believe they werent better than other guns i dont see this thread going newhere..
[QUOTE="lordknukle"]Balance issue??? lol. Your telling me that its not balanced that a shotgun can shoot 40 feet in front of it? Do your research before you post.Fightingfan
You want realism from a game that "sheets" out a gernade when you die 4 times in a row? They had balancing problems, can you weild two desert eagles in real like WITHOUT breaking your wrist? I think not. The simple fact you could shoot farther then an assault rifle with them was the problem, also wouldnt the people who use them suck? Farther then an assualt rifle? Your really need to get your eyes checked.
nah they were definitely better... id get hit from half way accross the map from them.. but if you really believe they werent better than other guns i dont see this thread going newhere..MethodManFTW
Same as the other guy, you need to get your eyes checked.
[QUOTE="lordknukle"]Balance issue??? lol. Your telling me that its not balanced that a shotgun can shoot 40 feet in front of it? Do your research before you post.Sloan360
I said it broke the balance...can you read?
How can it break the balance if shotguns ARE SUPPOSED to shoot 40 feet?
the nerfing has made these guns utterly useless and it should be changed back to the way it was at launch. these were my favorite guns before they patches nerfed them, now nobody will ever used them. if they're going to make them suck that badly they should replace them with something new that is actually useful
[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]nah they were definitely better... id get hit from half way accross the map from them.. but if you really believe they werent better than other guns i dont see this thread going newhere..lordknukle
Same as the other guy, you need to get your eyes checked. actually i have 20/15 vision... but thanks for your concern. and there is this thing called the kill-cam.. so it is pretty easy to see how and why you died.
the nerfing has made these guns utterly useless and it should be changed back to the way it was at launch. these were my favorite guns before they patches nerfed them, now nobody will ever used them. if they're going to make them suck that badly they should replace them with something new that is actually useful
tlutz12
Exactly, are you gonna send a message to infinty ward?
[QUOTE="lordknukle"]Balance issue??? lol. Your telling me that its not balanced that a shotgun can shoot 40 feet in front of it? Do your research before you post.lordknukle
I said it broke the balance...can you read?
How can it break the balance if shotguns ARE SUPPOSED to shoot 40 feet?
40 feet without a killing blow maybe...this is a game and when normal shotguns are for close range use only and then comes along the 1887 with FAR superior range then any of them, except the SPAS, then yes the balance has indeed been broken.
[QUOTE="lordknukle"][QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]nah they were definitely better... id get hit from half way accross the map from them.. but if you really believe they werent better than other guns i dont see this thread going newhere..MethodManFTW
Same as the other guy, you need to get your eyes checked. actually i have 20/15 vision... but thanks for your concern. and there is this thing called the kill-cam.. so it is pretty easy to see how and why you died. Have you ever thought that the person who "shoot you halfway across the map" was hacking?
[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"][QUOTE="lordknukle"] Same as the other guy, you need to get your eyes checked.lordknukle
actually i have 20/15 vision... but thanks for your concern. and there is this thing called the kill-cam.. so it is pretty easy to see how and why you died. Have you ever thought that the person who "shoot you halfway across the map" was hacking?
He could be using an FAL w/ the shotgun attachment in a hardcore match...that in fact could kill across the map.
no i really never played hardcore... mainly moshpit and hardcore matches really never pop up. and no i have not thought they were hacking because no unlimited range hack has came out for mw2.
no i really never played hardcore... mainly moshpit and hardcore matches really never pop up. and no i have not thought they were hacking because no unlimited range hack has came out for mw2.MethodManFTW
Just giving a scenario where the shotgun can shoot across a map and do damage...i had no idea of match preferences until you posted it.
[QUOTE="lordknukle"]Balance issue??? lol. Your telling me that its not balanced that a shotgun can shoot 40 feet in front of it? Do your research before you post.Sloan360
I said it broke the balance...can you read?
How can it break the balance if shotguns ARE SUPPOSED to shoot 40 feet?
40 feet without a killing blow maybe...this is a game and when normal shotguns are for close range use only and then comes along the 1887 with FAR superior range then any of them, except the SPAS, then yes the balance has indeed been broken.
[/QUOTE Actually akimbo shotguns would kill you from 40 feet away 100% (unless the wielder misses)
[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]no i really never played hardcore... mainly moshpit and hardcore matches really never pop up. and no i have not thought they were hacking because no unlimited range hack has came out for mw2. Anyways, he could have just gotten a lucky shot
How can it break the balance if shotguns ARE SUPPOSED to shoot 40 feet?
40 feet without a killing blow maybe...this is a game and when normal shotguns are for close range use only and then comes along the 1887 with FAR superior range then any of them, except the SPAS, then yes the balance has indeed been broken.
[/QUOTE Actually akimbo shotguns would kill you from 40 feet away 100% (unless the wielder misses)
I remember them before they were nerfed and people using them never botherd me. I never used them either. I think they should have left them the way they were. I'm not going to say which guns but I think they gimped a few others also.
this is why battlefield will be balanced. a shotgun cannot go that far. realistic shooter my ass.
1bigsmoke55
They never went for realism, which is why they sell more then any other shooter out there. They made a fun shooter that you can dual wield every SMG, Pistol, and some shotguns in. They dropped realism and went for what people want.
this is why battlefield will be balanced. a shotgun cannot go that far. realistic shooter my ass.
Sloan360
They never went for realism, which is why they sell more then any other shooter out there. They made a fun shooter that you can dual wield every SMG, Pistol, and some shotguns in. They dropped realism and went for what people want.
As you all pobably know, the Modern warfare 2 model 1887's were nerfed because they are "overpowered". They aren't!!!!! Firstly, before the patch the shotgun could shoot 40 feet, WHICH IS COMPLETELY NORMAL FOR A SHOTGUN. Secondly, since it is unlocked at lvl 67 you only have 3 lvls to have it if you prestige and high level players should get a reward for their hard work. Would you like it if the gun that you got at lvl 70 was equal to or worse than the gun you unlocked at level 1? Probably not. Lastly, the people that complain about the 1887's are the ones who suck at the game and can't defeat those players. Seriously, EVERY gun has its strengh and weakness. Learn to manuever around them and with them.lordknukle
so since your soo great, then deal with it. i used to see people almost snipe with that gun. im sorry but 1887 was way overpowered. it was cheezy...it made mediocre players good...but now that its patched, they went to the rangers....
this is why battlefield will be balanced. a shotgun cannot go that far. realistic shooter my ass.
1bigsmoke55
They never went for realism, which is why they sell more then any other shooter out there. They made a fun shooter that you can dual wield every SMG, Pistol, and some shotguns in. They dropped realism and went for what people want.
[QUOTE="lordknukle"] Yes, well I bet the TF141 (The most elite soldier squad in all of america) could probably be able to dual wield shotugns.lordknukle
taskforce 141 dosen't exist. there's a 121. :/
In the game there is a tf 141 and it is equal to the most elite squad, after spetznaz.
elite squads? you know it's called special forces right?
[QUOTE="lordknukle"]As you all pobably know, the Modern warfare 2 model 1887's were nerfed because they are "overpowered". They aren't!!!!! Firstly, before the patch the shotgun could shoot 40 feet, WHICH IS COMPLETELY NORMAL FOR A SHOTGUN. Secondly, since it is unlocked at lvl 67 you only have 3 lvls to have it if you prestige and high level players should get a reward for their hard work. Would you like it if the gun that you got at lvl 70 was equal to or worse than the gun you unlocked at level 1? Probably not. Lastly, the people that complain about the 1887's are the ones who suck at the game and can't defeat those players. Seriously, EVERY gun has its strengh and weakness. Learn to manuever around them and with them.jsmoke03
so since your soo great, then deal with it. i used to see people almost snipe with that gun. im sorry but 1887 was way overpowered. it was cheezy...it made mediocre players good...but now that its patched, they went to the rangers.... Hell, why not nerf the rangers? 1 or 2 shot kill in cqc and you can fire 4 shots in less than half a second.
They never went for realism, which is why they sell more then any other shooter out there. They made a fun shooter that you can dual wield every SMG, Pistol, and some shotguns in. They dropped realism and went for what people want.
[QUOTE="lordknukle"] Yes, well I bet the TF141 (The most elite soldier squad in all of america) could probably be able to dual wield shotugns.lordknukle
taskforce 141 dosen't exist. there's a 121. :/
In the game there is a tf 141 and it is equal to the most elite squad, after spetznaz. lol really this is a pointless convo...he's talking about real life, you are talking about in game. no one can dual wield 1887's hit a guy 50 ft away....
In the game there is a tf 141 and it is equal to the most elite squad, after spetznaz. lol really this is a pointless convo...he's talking about real life, you are talking about in game. no one can dual wield 1887's hit a guy 50 ft away....
or deserts.
i wish they did the exclusive attachment things like in MW1. SMGs-Rapid Fire
[QUOTE="lordknukle"] Yes well i really don't care what they are called. Stop trying to win this arguement by pinpointing my every mistake. Nobody is perfect.lordknukle
lol. the last statement is a understatement.
Very funny, considering the fact that "lol" isn't a word and that you should start a sentence with a capital "T".
i see what you did there.
:), just saying the models should be only one handed.
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