**UNOFFICIAL PS2 on PS3 Graphic Problem**

Yes. This isnt a hardware issue.KaptainKernal

**UNOFFICIAL PS2 ON PS3 GRAPHIC PROBLEM**

Many of you who have just purchased a PS3 and currently own a HDTV This is what happened:

All of you know that the PS3 is backward compatible and probly sold your PS2 when you got your PS3, then you pop in a PS2 game that does not support Progressive Scan (Now known from here on out as ProScan) and to your horror you learn it looks terrible. It is not your TV's fault or your games fault. This lies in a error that the PS3 causes. Here is what happens:

PS2 game running without ProScan at 480i

As you can see it is jagged and not smooth.

Now we take every other forth quadrent and cut it out.

Now lets flip the quadrent.

Put back into place.

It fits smoothly, AMAZING.

The problem is in two half:

1. The PS3 flips every forth quadrent and misplaces them. So any game running in 480i ON A HDTV will have these misplaced quadrents. Some PS2 games support ProScan. This enables the games to be in Progressive format. Such as 480p, 525p, 720p. It will say in the manual, back of the box, or in the options menu if a paticualr game supports this: Here is a list of all ProScan Enabled Games on PS2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Progressive_Scan_PS2_Games

If the game, such as Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater does not support ProScan and only supports 480i then this firmware error will make the games look terrible.

Here is a larger example:
Running PS2 game on PS3 in 480i


Now the same game on the same system on the same HDTV only with ProScan in 480p


See the difference.

(Following Issue has not been proven and may be factually incorrect)
2. There is no scaler support for PS3 so basically this means the games can actually look better then they already do using ProScan. Most notably the 360 uses this so thats why some xbox games look better on the 360. Alos this scaller issue effects people with 480i/1080i HDTV's. Sony has stated it is working on resolving the issue.
(End of Speculational observations)

Big Thanks to Flumshid for bringging this issue to light. All the pictures origionate from the thread at this link:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=808212&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

And thank you to all contributors to that thread for supporting it. Make the gamers voices heard.
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This is a serious problem and needs to be adressed, and to Gamespot members keep this thread alive till it gains a sticky status. The gamers need to know and this would end hundreds of pointless threads on gamespot. Thankyou this has been KaptainKernal.


MOD: Sticky please this is important.

KaptainKernal

the fact that PS3 backward compatability was one of the system selling points,leads me to believe that sony should have done enough to fix this problem. I am not bashing or anything but they have done tests on backward compatability when building the console and they know that they had issues backward playability and they said nothing about it. They did state that 99% of the games are working but they didnt say anything about the quality of the 99% games working. Its been a month now and this firmware should be priority for sony specially with the lack of games for PS3 people will go back to their PS2 games, Sony should have predicted that.

There is 3 months for the UK launch, i am curious if they will fix this big bug or not!I am also suprise they havent answered concerns from consumers

Quite disappointed in sony

and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.CaptainCrazy

[QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.eclipsed4utoo

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.ogie_s

I think a good bit of the anger from us PS3 users is that Sony totes the PS3 as being a TRUE HD system, really pushing the HDTV era, and allowing for resolutions higher than we have ever seen, and becasue we adopted this new tech, and got bought into the hype, grabbed ourselves a HDTV, we get punished for it. If I had a SDTV I wouldn't care at all.

I love my PS3, make no mistake, but becasue I have a HDTV should not mean my old PS2 games are of a lower quality than when played on the PS3. And NO, I cant go play them on my PS2 as I sold it to afford the PS3.

I have about 12 - 15 games left I still wish to play from PS2, and a few more down the road in 2007, being a videophile though, I think I will have to wait for the fix, as I have a difficult time accepting a lower quality product, on a higher quality system.

and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.CaptainCrazy

It's not a big deal and it will get better. Better to play my old games with barely noticible jags then not play them at all.

[QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.eclipsed4utoo

First off, is this an issue while using HDMI?  Or component cables?

Secondly, not all PS2 games support progressive scan.  I have been playing on an HDTV for two years and the visuals are always a result of the method of connection.  PSone was compatible with composite and s-video.  PS2 was compatible with those plus component cables.  PS3 adds HDMI support to the mix.

If you play a PSone game on your PS2 using component cables, the colour gets separated drastically.  The game becomes big time ugly.  I'll admit, I'm no professional but I wonder if the PS3's connection has anything to do with these issues?  Or are these issues happening while using composite, the lowest connection?

This is the very reason I still have my PSone connected, it's games don't support component cables.  My PS2 uses component cables and until I can get an HDMI display, my PS3 will use component cables.  Regardless, I figure I'll have to do the same as my PSone and leave my PS2 connected as well.

Thirdly, in my opinion, HDTV has always shown more flaws in games not designed for this type of display.

I think that some people are missing the point here..its nothing to do what has the ps3 has the 360 doesnt have. We are not comparing systems and thats not the point of the argument. Sony promised a lot about the features of the PS3 specially about backward compatability to justify the high price of there system.It is a fact that the PS3 has clear issues with backward compatability and using HDTV 1080p and 1080i (correct me if am wrong), it something they promised they would deliver. When something goes wrong with the PS3 people just go state how "the 360 has crap backward compatability" or "how ps3 is better than the 360". When you pay a high price for something you expect the promises of the features to be met specially when you play a lot of money for the system. You seem to accept the companies like Microsoft and Sony produces because you have waited so long for it and its a great system. Just go beyond(no pun) that and look of how these companies short changed us or cut a few corners. I dont understand how 360 and ps3 fans give excuses for them, i dont understand!Well thats just me!

I think that some people are missing the point here..its nothing to do what has the ps3 has the 360 doesnt have. We are not comparing systems and thats not the point of the argument. Sony promised a lot about the features of the PS3 specially about backward compatability to justify the high price of there system.It is a fact that the PS3 has clear issues with backward compatability and using HDTV 1080p and 1080i (correct me if am wrong), it something they promised they would deliver. When something goes wrong with the PS3 people just go state how "the 360 has crap backward compatability" or "how ps3 is better than the 360". When you pay a high price for something you expect the promises of the features to be met specially when you play a lot of money for the system. You seem to accept the companies like Microsoft and Sony produces because you have waited so long for it and its a great system. Just go beyond(no pun) that and look of how these companies short changed us or cut a few corners. I dont understand how 360 and ps3 fans give excuses for them, i dont understand!Well thats just me!

d_agra

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.l88tsauce

[QUOTE="l88tsauce"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.eclipsed4utoo

Like i said before not about who is better, its about BC promised us by Microsoft and sony..sheesh!!!:?

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="l88tsauce"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.d_agra

Like i said before not about who is better, its about BC promised us by Microsoft and sony..sheesh!!!:?

[QUOTE="d_agra"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="l88tsauce"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.eclipsed4utoo

Like i said before not about who is better, its about BC promised us by Microsoft and sony..sheesh!!!:?

First off, is this an issue while using HDMI? Or component cables?

Secondly, not all PS2 games support progressive scan. I have been playing on an HDTV for two years and the visuals are always a result of the method of connection. PSone was compatible with composite and s-video. PS2 was compatible with those plus component cables. PS3 adds HDMI support to the mix.

If you play a PSone game on your PS2 using component cables, the colour gets separated drastically. The game becomes big time ugly. I'll admit, I'm no professional but I wonder if the PS3's connection has anything to do with these issues? Or are these issues happening while using composite, the lowest connection?

This is the very reason I still have my PSone connected, it's games don't support component cables. My PS2 uses component cables and until I can get an HDMI display, my PS3 will use component cables. Regardless, I figure I'll have to do the same as my PSone and leave my PS2 connected as well.

Thirdly, in my opinion, HDTV has always shown more flaws in games not designed for this type of display.

Terami

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="d_agra"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="l88tsauce"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.danneswegman

Like i said before not about who is better, its about BC promised us by Microsoft and sony..sheesh!!!:?

[QUOTE="d_agra"]

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="l88tsauce"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.eclipsed4utoo

Like i said before not about who is better, its about BC promised us by Microsoft and sony..sheesh!!!:?

I wouldnt know because i dont go to the x360 forum, i am sure they have a few threads about that if not why not????

People should complain about this stuff !!Bth Microsolf and sony fans!!Its completely out of order from both complanies, yet people try to make excuses for them!i dont understand

[QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.cofn42

They did not abandon it they just stopped making 1st party games.

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.l88tsauce

I also thought the PS3 would have fast loading times but they are horrible. Fight Night takes twice as long to load on the PS3 ocmpared to the Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="l88tsauce"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="CaptainCrazy"]and so the list of Sony's woes grows ever larger. I really don't think they could have screwed up this system any worse. It's like they did everything wrong. We can only hope the updates will correct all these glaring oversights in time.eclipsed4utoo

Are the PS3 load times better? They are worst...

[QUOTE="Terami"]

First off, is this an issue while using HDMI? Or component cables?

Secondly, not all PS2 games support progressive scan. I have been playing on an HDTV for two years and the visuals are always a result of the method of connection. PSone was compatible with composite and s-video. PS2 was compatible with those plus component cables. PS3 adds HDMI support to the mix.

If you play a PSone game on your PS2 using component cables, the colour gets separated drastically. The game becomes big time ugly. I'll admit, I'm no professional but I wonder if the PS3's connection has anything to do with these issues? Or are these issues happening while using composite, the lowest connection?

This is the very reason I still have my PSone connected, it's games don't support component cables. My PS2 uses component cables and until I can get an HDMI display, my PS3 will use component cables. Regardless, I figure I'll have to do the same as my PSone and leave my PS2 connected as well.

Thirdly, in my opinion, HDTV has always shown more flaws in games not designed for this type of display.

RahKayne