Up-convert for DVD's may be far off........

I was thinking this weekend and most times that can be dangerous.  But this time I actually might have made a good point.

For awhile now, a lot of us have been waiting for Sony to update the system software to up-convert DVD's to look better on an HDTV.  Every time a new system update comes around you'll see someone upset that the feature was left out again.

I think Sony is waiting on purpose.  If they can get PS3 owners to invest in some Blu-ray movies, they might get the good jump on HD-DVD they're looking for.  If they made DVDs look better, some PS3 owners may not invest in blu-ray.  So, I think it will be until, at least, next Christmas before they add this up-convert feature.

I'm not missing it too bad, blu-ray looks great and DVD's aren't too aweful on and HDTV.  What do you guys think?  Is it right for Sony to do this?  Is it smart?

[QUOTE="Crazy87"]and wheres your proof sony is doing this right end thread sonys not doing that lol blu-ray is all ready winning 9:2 in salesdubvisions

I love blu-ray, so don;t come at me like I'm downing it or Sony. I'm making the point that they MAY be holding the update back to promote blu-ray. You are one of the kinds of people I was hoping wouldn't reply to my post. You have no intellegent thoughts, obviously.

mm wow good job no intellegent tought huh i just told you blu-ray is winning 9:2 in sales it does not need help selling or promoteing sony does plenty of that in casino royale and every where else why would they hold back and piss there fans off? they want to make the consumer happy and im happy and the update will come in time when they find out how to do it

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[QUOTE="Crazy87"]and wheres your proof sony is doing this right end thread sonys not doing that lol blu-ray is all ready winning 9:2 in salesCrazy87

I love blu-ray, so don;t come at me like I'm downing it or Sony. I'm making the point that they MAY be holding the update back to promote blu-ray. You are one of the kinds of people I was hoping wouldn't reply to my post. You have no intellegent thoughts, obviously.

mm wow good job no intellegent tought huh i just told you blu-ray is winning 9:2 in sales it does not need help selling or promoteing sony does plenty of that in casino royale and every where else why would they hold back and piss there fans off? they want to make the consumer happy and im happy and the update will come in time when they find out how to do it

You're so right.  they haven't held anything back since launch......... oh, wait!  Where are all of the games.

Dude, I'm as big of a PS3 fan as the next guy but i am also grounded in reality.  You, on the other hand, seem to e a little blinded.  Good luck.

[QUOTE="Crazy87"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

[QUOTE="Crazy87"]and wheres your proof sony is doing this right end thread sonys not doing that lol blu-ray is all ready winning 9:2 in salesdubvisions

I love blu-ray, so don;t come at me like I'm downing it or Sony. I'm making the point that they MAY be holding the update back to promote blu-ray. You are one of the kinds of people I was hoping wouldn't reply to my post. You have no intellegent thoughts, obviously.

mm wow good job no intellegent tought huh i just told you blu-ray is winning 9:2 in sales it does not need help selling or promoteing sony does plenty of that in casino royale and every where else why would they hold back and piss there fans off? they want to make the consumer happy and im happy and the update will come in time when they find out how to do it

You're so right. they haven't held anything back since launch......... oh, wait! Where are all of the games.

Dude, I'm as big of a PS3 fan as the next guy but i am also grounded in reality. You, on the other hand, seem to e a little blinded. Good luck.

i own a 360 to buddy im not a fanboy i dont favor one system over another buddy what have they held back ? for sooo long thats being made by sony? you need to stop flaming me for telling the truth 

Aren't the scalers in most newer HDTVs better than what an upscaling dvd player/ xbox 360/ ps3 could do? Even though my PS3 doesn't upscale, I don't notice a quality difference between it and my 360. I believe this is because no matter what my TV displays in 1080p (samsung HLS-6187).Ocelot_basic

no your tv does not upscale it its at 1080p at the menu and on blu-ray movies and games that are 1080p dvds are 480p pop in a dvd and click info on your tv and see if it says 1280x480p or 1920x1080p

[QUOTE="Ocelot_basic"] Aren't the scalers in most newer HDTVs better than what an upscaling dvd player/ xbox 360/ ps3 could do? Even though my PS3 doesn't upscale, I don't notice a quality difference between it and my 360. I believe this is because no matter what my TV displays in 1080p (samsung HLS-6187). Crazy87

no your tv does not upscale it its at 1080p at the menu and on blu-ray movies and games that are 1080p dvds are 480p pop in a dvd and click info on your tv and see if it says 1280x480p or 1920x1080p

You misunderstood what he said. He is right in that everything that his TV displays is in 1080p. Fixed pixel displays like his (and LCD's and Plasmas) are only capable of displaying their native resolution. In order to display other resolutions like 720p or 1080i they must be either downscaled, upscaled and/or either de-interlaced depending on the native resolution of the TV. To do this HDTV's do have their own scalers. However, (and this is where he was mistaken) most lack in quality and an external scaler is preferred. When you click on the info it's merely showing you what the input feed is.

dudes thats exaclty what they are doing!!

Crazy87 it makes sense!! , why do you think microsoft has made the upscalling work so wel in the box?!?

they would rather see blu-ray and hddvd fail then see blu-ray succeed. 

and wheres your proof sony is doing this right end thread sonys not doing that lol blu-ray is all ready winning 9:2 in salesCrazy87

english?

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[QUOTE="Crazy87"]and wheres your proof sony is doing this right end thread sonys not doing that lol blu-ray is all ready winning 9:2 in salesCrazy87

I love blu-ray, so don;t come at me like I'm downing it or Sony. I'm making the point that they MAY be holding the update back to promote blu-ray. You are one of the kinds of people I was hoping wouldn't reply to my post. You have no intellegent thoughts, obviously.

mm wow good job no intellegent tought huh i just told you blu-ray is winning 9:2 in sales it does not need help selling or promoteing sony does plenty of that in casino royale and every where else why would they hold back and piss there fans off? they want to make the consumer happy and im happy and the update will come in time when they find out how to do it

People keep pushign this 9:2 argument and i think it is false. how about thefact DVDs are out selling blu ray 100,000:1

and wheres your proof sony is doing this right end thread sonys not doing that lol blu-ray is all ready winning 9:2 in salesCrazy87

You know what's funny?  My friend sweared on his life that the PS3 was already cabable of upscaling DVDs (and he works with a lot of technology).  I kept arguing that it didn't have it yet, but he wouldn't listen.  I should show him this topic, lol.clsnbrdr616

Phil Harrison did say the PS3 will upscale DVDs "out of the box" but everyone was shocked to find out that it didn't.

[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]You know what's funny? My friend sweared on his life that the PS3 was already cabable of upscaling DVDs (and he works with a lot of technology). I kept arguing that it didn't have it yet, but he wouldn't listen. I should show him this topic, lol.rasstarman

Phil Harrison did say the PS3 will upscale DVDs "out of the box" but everyone was shocked to find out that it didn't.

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[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]You know what's funny? My friend sweared on his life that the PS3 was already cabable of upscaling DVDs (and he works with a lot of technology). I kept arguing that it didn't have it yet, but he wouldn't listen. I should show him this topic, lol.eclipsed4utoo

Phil Harrison did say the PS3 will upscale DVDs "out of the box" but everyone was shocked to find out that it didn't.

Yes he did say it will upscale out of the box and imagine he is suppose to be a head PR guy. Google it if you don't believe it's true.

[QUOTE="Crazy87"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

[QUOTE="Crazy87"]and wheres your proof sony is doing this right end thread sonys not doing that lol blu-ray is all ready winning 9:2 in salesDeihmos

I love blu-ray, so don;t come at me like I'm downing it or Sony. I'm making the point that they MAY be holding the update back to promote blu-ray. You are one of the kinds of people I was hoping wouldn't reply to my post. You have no intellegent thoughts, obviously.

mm wow good job no intellegent tought huh i just told you blu-ray is winning 9:2 in sales it does not need help selling or promoteing sony does plenty of that in casino royale and every where else why would they hold back and piss there fans off? they want to make the consumer happy and im happy and the update will come in time when they find out how to do it

People keep pushign this 9:2 argument and i think it is false. how about thefact DVDs are out selling blu ray 100,000:1

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[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]You know what's funny? My friend sweared on his life that the PS3 was already cabable of upscaling DVDs (and he works with a lot of technology). I kept arguing that it didn't have it yet, but he wouldn't listen. I should show him this topic, lol.Deihmos

Phil Harrison did say the PS3 will upscale DVDs "out of the box" but everyone was shocked to find out that it didn't.

Yes he did say it will upscale out of the box and imagine he is suppose to be a head PR guy. Google it if you don't believe it's true.

You guys have serious issues if you think an upscaled-dvd, even on the best on the planet, can ever compare to the real HD version and hurt the sales. The ads that say upscale to near HD quality are crazy, no where near. And upscaling is not what it's all about, it's also about imaging chips to help remove aliasing and compression noise, that separates a decent upscaler for a crappy one.TimothyB

[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]You know what's funny? My friend sweared on his life that the PS3 was already cabable of upscaling DVDs (and he works with a lot of technology). I kept arguing that it didn't have it yet, but he wouldn't listen. I should show him this topic, lol.rasstarman

Phil Harrison did say the PS3 will upscale DVDs "out of the box" but everyone was shocked to find out that it didn't.

Makes me think that's why my friend thought it did have it. :P 

[QUOTE="TimothyB"]You guys have serious issues if you think an upscaled-dvd, even on the best on the planet, can ever compare to the real HD version and hurt the sales. The ads that say upscale to near HD quality are crazy, no where near. And upscaling is not what it's all about, it's also about imaging chips to help remove aliasing and compression noise, that separates a decent upscaler for a crappy one.eclipsed4utoo

In the PS3 case I don't think it would particularly hurt. I can understand an average consumer going with a $100 upscaler (and tricked into a $100 HDMI cable) over a $1000 Blu-ray player. But with the PS3, they already have the Blu-ray player built-in, advertised all over the box, not upscaling. And Blu-ray can play both on component and HDMI for HD, while upconverting DVDs would be limited to HDMI. So why whould they skip Blu-ray when they already have it just to upscale dvds. Cheaper movie prices you might say, well, you can rent instead.

I mean it's hard to tell what the average consumer cares about. My 40 year old female roommate has always chosen to watch her movies in her bedroom on an $80 20inch tv from Target when the living room has both an HD-DVD and Blu-ray player on a $3000+ soundsytem and 55inch 720p tv. 

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="TimothyB"]You guys have serious issues if you think an upscaled-dvd, even on the best on the planet, can ever compare to the real HD version and hurt the sales. The ads that say upscale to near HD quality are crazy, no where near. And upscaling is not what it's all about, it's also about imaging chips to help remove aliasing and compression noise, that separates a decent upscaler for a crappy one.TimothyB

In the PS3 case I don't think it would particularly hurt. I can understand an average consumer going with a $100 upscaler (and tricked into a $100 HDMI cable) over a $1000 Blu-ray player. But with the PS3, they already have the Blu-ray player built-in, advertised all over the box, not upscaling. And Blu-ray can play both on component and HDMI for HD, while upconverting DVDs would be limited to HDMI. So why whould they skip Blu-ray when they already have it just to upscale dvds. Cheaper movie prices you might say, well, you can rent instead.

I mean it's hard to tell what the average consumer cares about. My 40 year old female roommate has always chosen to watch her movies in her bedroom on an $80 20inch tv from Target when the living room has both an HD-DVD and Blu-ray player on a $3000+ soundsytem and 55inch 720p tv.

Yeah, I have friends that really want PS3s but could care less about HDTVs. LOL So it is hard to tell what customers like. :P 

I'm not sure upconverting is that big of a deal for DVDs on PS3. You can pick up an upconverting DVD player for less than $100 now. Secondly a lot of 1080p TVs including my own automatically upconvert all signals to either 720p or 1080p.EmperorSupreme

 Your 1080p TV has to convert all to 1080p or else it wouldn't fill the screen, if it converted to 720p then it would be small in the center half the pixels.

I'm not sure upconverting is that big of a deal for DVDs on PS3. You can pick up an upconverting DVD player for less than $100 now. Secondly a lot of 1080p TVs including my own automatically upconvert all signals to either 720p or 1080p.EmperorSupreme

 Your 1080p TV has to convert all to 1080p or else it wouldn't fill the screen, if it converted to 720p then it would be small in the center half the pixels.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]I'm not sure upconverting is that big of a deal for DVDs on PS3. You can pick up an upconverting DVD player for less than $100 now. Secondly a lot of 1080p TVs including my own automatically upconvert all signals to either 720p or 1080p.TimothyB

Your 1080p TV has to convert all to 1080p or else it wouldn't fill the screen, if it converted to 720p then it would be small in the center half the pixels.

I think you are right.  Thanks