Valkryia Chronicles ripped off Advance Wars hardcore

Valkyria Chronicles probably should of been named Advance Wars 3d if wasn't for Nintendo owning the rights to the name. It plays exactly like Advance Wars from Orders to turn base troop movements to moves costing command points. Only difference is with VC you only get one tank. It's kind of like a minature version of Advance Wars with better graphics. Nothing wrong with this though since I love advance wars. It just seems like they weren't even trying to hide it. They really ripped off the play style hardcore and just added cut scenes.

Curse VC and all FPS to sheol!

Except VC has an actual story, is Squad based not army based, only has one vehicle type etc.

I believe Adanced Wars rips off final fantasy because it's turn based and abilities cost points lol

Except for the part where you're not confined to a grid, move and aim from 3rd person, each character having unique personality traits, etc.BenderUnit22

Oh man I just saw that ep of k-on a few days ago.PANTSU! PANTSU!

Except for the part where you're not confined to a grid, move and aim from 3rd person, each character having unique personality traits, etc.BenderUnit22

[QUOTE="BenderUnit22"]Except for the part where you're not confined to a grid, move and aim from 3rd person, each character having unique personality traits, etc.sleepingzzz

You are in a map not a grid. The movement isn't based on squares it's based on your ap. Certain classes have more ap then others and can move farther. There is an auto aim function but it locks onto the body of an enemy. You can then use the fine aim to get your reticle on his head for more damage.

Except VC has an actual story, is Squad based not army based, only has one vehicle type etc.

I believe Adanced Wars rips off final fantasy because it's turn based and abilities cost points lol

akira2465

[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"][QUOTE="BenderUnit22"]Except for the part where you're not confined to a grid, move and aim from 3rd person, each character having unique personality traits, etc.sa10kun

You are in a map not a grid. The movement isn't based on squares it's based on your ap. Certain classes have more ap then others and can move farther. There is an auto aim function but it locks onto the body of an enemy. You can then use the fine aim to get your reticle on his head for more damage.

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

Except VC has an actual story, is Squad based not army based, only has one vehicle type etc.

I believe Adanced Wars rips off final fantasy because it's turn based and abilities cost points lol

sleepingzzz

Where are you going with this? So you want people to love advance wars more than VC? Sure they may have similar styles but gameplay is NOT exactly the same. If gameplay is not exactly the same than that means the games play differently, obviously. So if a game plays differently then guess what? The games aren't the same.

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[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"] Your not confined to a grid in VC? I could swear I couldn't past the borders. I also stopped moving after taking a number of steps. You really don't have to aim. You can just click the button for it to switch to who you want to hit. Similar to Advance Wars.sleepingzzz

You are in a map not a grid. The movement isn't based on squares it's based on your ap. Certain classes have more ap then others and can move farther. There is an auto aim function but it locks onto the body of an enemy. You can then use the fine aim to get your reticle on his head for more damage.

A grid is a rigid guideline but the ap is more free formed. You can walk in any direction whereas in a grid you have to move down then right or right then down to get to that spot. Using the grid as an argument for similarity is kinda not that great of an argument. Lot's of games used grids before advance wars. Do you consider it ripping them off? Advance wars is a good game but even it is not that original. Doesn't make it any less awesome.

[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"][QUOTE="akira2465"]

Except VC has an actual story, is Squad based not army based, only has one vehicle type etc.

I believe Adanced Wars rips off final fantasy because it's turn based and abilities cost points lol

Zidaneski

Where are you going with this? So you want people to love advance wars more than VC? Sure they may have similar styles but gameplay is NOT exactly the same. If gameplay is not exactly the same than that means the games play differently, obviously. So if a game plays differently then guess what? The games aren't the same.

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[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"] Like I said, it's a minature version of Advance Wars so you don't have a full army. If you compare any two games you will have similarities. But, when the similarities in games have just about the exact same play style then it just more than being similar. sleepingzzz

Where are you going with this? So you want people to love advance wars more than VC? Sure they may have similar styles but gameplay is NOT exactly the same. If gameplay is not exactly the same than that means the games play differently, obviously. So if a game plays differently then guess what? The games aren't the same.

Hmmm, maybe you need to choose your words more carefully then.

[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"][QUOTE="sa10kun"]

You are in a map not a grid. The movement isn't based on squares it's based on your ap. Certain classes have more ap then others and can move farther. There is an auto aim function but it locks onto the body of an enemy. You can then use the fine aim to get your reticle on his head for more damage.

sa10kun

A grid is a rigid guideline but the ap is more free formed. You can walk in any direction whereas in a grid you have to move down then right or right then down to get to that spot. Using the grid as an argument for similarity is kinda not that great of an argument. Lot's of games used grids before advance wars. Do you consider it ripping them off? Advance wars is a good game but even it is not that original. Doesn't make it any less awesome.

How about we change your topic title to "Valkyria Chronicles inspired by Advance Wars".

[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"][QUOTE="Zidaneski"]

Where are you going with this? So you want people to love advance wars more than VC? Sure they may have similar styles but gameplay is NOT exactly the same. If gameplay is not exactly the same than that means the games play differently, obviously. So if a game plays differently then guess what? The games aren't the same.

Zidaneski

Hmmm, maybe you need to choose your words more carefully then.

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[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"] Your not confined to a grid in VC? I could swear I couldn't past the borders. I also stopped moving after taking a number of steps. You really don't have to aim. You can just click the button for it to switch to who you want to hit. Similar to Advance Wars.sleepingzzz

You are in a map not a grid. The movement isn't based on squares it's based on your ap. Certain classes have more ap then others and can move farther. There is an auto aim function but it locks onto the body of an enemy. You can then use the fine aim to get your reticle on his head for more damage.

I'm pretty sure Advcance Wars didn't come up with everything like grids and all that. you could say Advance wars ripped off of chess............

All games have stuff in common, and it is bad to completely rip off another game (as in taking the mechanics and such and just giving them a new color)

but valkyria chronicles has enough to differentiate itself from other strategy games.

Except VC has an actual story, is Squad based not army based, only has one vehicle type etc.

I believe Adanced Wars rips off final fantasy because it's turn based and abilities cost points lol

VC has a winged piglet named Hans..enough said :)

Advance War did not create or contribute anything new to the strategy genre, VC did. To call VC a rip off of Advance War is laughable and anyone who's not a fanboy can clearly identify the long list of differences.

OMG, is it me or is Resistance 2 such a huge rip-off of Resistance 1?

I never once thought of Advance Wars when I played VC. I just don't see the comparison. The OP is either trying pretty hard to rip into VC, or he just baited a bunch of people.

OMG, is it me or is Resistance 2 such a huge rip-off of Resistance 1?

NotAFurry

The difference between VC and Advance Wars is that VC is actually good. I am not a fan of the Advance Wars games. Could not get into it the moment I started playing it.

Aw certainly isn't the first of that genre. As someone stated, maybe you should go a little further back. Like Chess, or hmmm Dungeons and Dragons the dice roll playing pencil and paper game? :P

Yeah, because Advance Wars invented turn-based strategy. :roll:

Advance Wars ripped off Military Madness from the Turbografx 16.

Valkyria Chronicles probably should of been named Advance Wars 3d if wasn't for Nintendo owning the rights to the name. It plays exactly like Advance Wars from Orders to turn base troop movements to moves costing command points. Only difference is with VC you only get one tank. It's kind of like a minature version of Advance Wars with better graphics. Nothing wrong with this though since I love advance wars. It just seems like they weren't even trying to hide it. They really ripped off the play style hardcore and just added cut scenes.

sleepingzzz

Valkyria Chronicles probably should of been named Advance Wars 3d if wasn't for Nintendo owning the rights to the name. It plays exactly like Advance Wars from Orders to turn base troop movements to moves costing command points. Only difference is with VC you only get one tank. It's kind of like a minature version of Advance Wars with better graphics. Nothing wrong with this though since I love advance wars. It just seems like they weren't even trying to hide it. They really ripped off the play style hardcore and just added cut scenes.

sleepingzzz

[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]

Valkyria Chronicles probably should of been named Advance Wars 3d if wasn't for Nintendo owning the rights to the name. It plays exactly like Advance Wars from Orders to turn base troop movements to moves costing command points. Only difference is with VC you only get one tank. It's kind of like a minature version of Advance Wars with better graphics. Nothing wrong with this though since I love advance wars. It just seems like they weren't even trying to hide it. They really ripped off the play style hardcore and just added cut scenes.

mr_so_evil

[QUOTE="mr_so_evil"][QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]

Valkyria Chronicles probably should of been named Advance Wars 3d if wasn't for Nintendo owning the rights to the name. It plays exactly like Advance Wars from Orders to turn base troop movements to moves costing command points. Only difference is with VC you only get one tank. It's kind of like a minature version of Advance Wars with better graphics. Nothing wrong with this though since I love advance wars. It just seems like they weren't even trying to hide it. They really ripped off the play style hardcore and just added cut scenes.

samosir

Here is a little hint. Advance Wars wasn't the first SRPG. You need to go back further to Famicom Wars. They are both strategy RPG's yes and all games in a genre share things in common with one another. What you said would be like me saying Ratchet ripped off Mario.

Let me spell out the differences for you since you can't grasp it.

Units are used by points instead of each character moves once per turn.

AP is not the same as the grid. There is more fluid and atmosphere with AP. You need to actually use your environment around you for cover.

Characters have personalities and so forth.

You can revive fallen enemies

No you don't have to aim but it is better if you do. For instance shooting someone in the head takes more damage then in the foot.

You don't know anything about the game or the genre since you are claiming advance wars to have invented the genre or at least making it sound like advance wars turned the SRPG genre on it's head. That game didn't do anything. It was just Nintendo bringing out their wars series to english speaking markets. Valkyria breathed new life into a niche genre by giving it an awsome art style and a different perspective other than the 2d grid system in place since the beginning of time.

I wonder if OP actually played either AW or VC.

For people who are wondering what makes AW different from other SRPGs - it is the fact that you don't level up units. Instead you are given a certain amount of resources on each board and must effectively manage those resources to win. This changes the kinds of strategies that are used from those used in the more typical SRPGs that have individual units that you level up.

In AW, your units are all expendable because you can always make more as long as you allocate your resources correctly. The basic strategy is to use your units as cannon fodder and build up your special CO power meter so that you can make one decisive strike on the enemy forces and wipe them out en masse. Due to the nature of the grid used in AW, a big part of strategy is also to use weaker units to bottleneck the stronger units. For instance, you can position a lowly foot soldier 1 space in front of an artillery unit and the artillery unit will not be able to kill or move past the footsoldier because it is restricted to only killing units that are 2 spaces in front of it. IMO AW is a great series because it requires you to rely on strategy and not just power leveling.

In VC, the strategy used is more in tune with the traditional SRPGS that rely on character leveling. (Actually VC is closer to that other DS favorite Fire Emblem than it is to AW. When I played VC for the first time, I thought instantly that it was exactly the kind of evolution in gameplay that I wish that the FE series would have pursued when it moved onto the consoles). In VC your units are not considered expendable and therefore your strategy is definitely very different than that employed in AW. You focus on leveling up and properly equipping your units as you play the game. However, VC does not focus on power leveling like other traditional SRPGs. It has a very balanced leveling system. More impressively, VC takes SRPGS out of the grid and more into the real world. VC takes SRPGS into a whole new direction and that is what makes it a great game.

I'm just going going to assume that the TC is retarded.

It's like saying CoD4 is a ripoff of Doom.

While VC never introduced anything super new, it was the combination of elements that were never done before that made it so wonderful. I don't want to accuse you of being a troll, but I also can't take you completely seriously when it's obvious you didn't play the game all the way through before bashing it. You get 2 tanks.

Valkyria Chronicles probably should of been named Advance Wars 3d if wasn't for Nintendo owning the rights to the name. It plays exactly like Advance Wars from Orders to turn base troop movements to moves costing command points. Only difference is with VC you only get one tank. It's kind of like a minature version of Advance Wars with better graphics. Nothing wrong with this though since I love advance wars. It just seems like they weren't even trying to hide it. They really ripped off the play style hardcore and just added cut scenes.

sleepingzzz

Dude, you just bumped a near 5-month old thread. Don't do that.

alot of games are alot like other games...that doesnt mean theyre trying to rip them off...but anyway...i like VC more so yeah...