Valkyria Chronicles, need some advice

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#1 Essian
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let me start out by saying that I can definitely acknowledge that this is a good game. It has a great art style, a well crafted battle system, a decent story, likeable enough characters, and is everything a strategy fan would love. But here is my conundrum:

I have more games to beat than I can reasonably count. I have GoW Collection, The Ratchet and Clank Future series, Borderlands, and Chronicles of Riddick... and that's not even all of it. Plus, I have games coming out in the future I want to pick up (though I can't for most of them cuz I am freakin poor) but as you can see, I have a lot to get through. Now as I said, I can acknowledge when a game is good, and VC certainly is, but I find myself.... not loving it. I dunno what it is exactly. The missions are fun but the idea of keeping all my soldiers alive is... daunting. The best thing about strategy games is that you know some (if not MOST) of your units are expendable. Sometimes you send units on a suicide mission, and know they are going to be obliterated, but it's necessary. My buddy recommended this game to me, and it's fun, but I find myself shying away from it. It makes me want to play RTS games, where I mass produce nameless, faceless units to go die for my cause, while focusing on the big picture.

So I guess my question is this: Am I going about this the wrong way? Obviously some units are invaluable (Welkin in Edelweis and Alicia, for instance) but do I really HAVE to keep all my units alive throughout every mission? This is supposed to be a representation of warfare, where you play as a smaller nation repelling a gigantic empire. My buddy says I should stick with it (I'm about two hours in, and just beat my first "real" mission, fighting the enemies next to the river in chapter 3), and says it will get a lot better later on, but I don't know. With this many games, the offputting task of keeping every single unit alive through these battles, and the supposedly mythic difficulty that quickly builds, is it really worth sinking more of my time into with so many games to still beat?

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#2 XxTerryH15xX
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i dont have the game, nor have i played it, but to win a battle and continue, sacrifices must be made

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#3 lessthan3james
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If you're not enjoying it, why continue playing? Whats the point of video games if you're not having fun anyways?
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#4 NoobisMaxcimus
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Dude, I'm not going to lie to you. It seriously is one of the very best games the ps3 has to offer. You can't afford to miss it. Also about people dying, well... In my first playthrough I think i lost two units permanently, it wasn't really a big deal and you have a ton to choose from. Also you get those units back at the end of each playthrough.

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#5 agrippi
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do you know that if someone gets killed, you can have one of your other players run over them and a medic will come and yank your downed character out of battle? you can then use them in the next chapter...they aren't "dead". but, if you don't have a medic get them within like 3 turns, then they ARE gone for good.
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#6 -ArchAngeL-777-
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do you know that if someone gets killed, you can have one of your other players run over them and a medic will come and yank your downed character out of battle? you can then use them in the next chapter...they aren't "dead". but, if you don't have a medic get them within like 3 turns, then they ARE gone for good.agrippi
Yeah try this. I think you are going about it the wrong way. I played through and didnt lose a single character. I always had a medic get them. In fact, I think if the medic gets them, then they become available in a turn or two as reinforcements. This is a game where your strategy should win the day, not just wave after wave of attackers. Also, if you cant get into the story, then the game might seem dry. A lot of folks like the game because they get into the story which plays right into the combat.
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#7 Gue1
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I find funny that you don't like the game because of the same reasons that I like it. :|

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#8 Essian
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I find funny that you don't like the game because of the same reasons that I like it. :|

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such is the nature of personal opinion
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#9 Gxgear
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Valkyria Chronicles is easy enough that your units likely won't die...as long as you play it right. And nothing a quick reload can't fix.

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#10 Oxymandias
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Sounds like the games not for you.. The challenge (for me anyway) of this game is to get through it with the least damage to your own side and the maximum (and the shortest time) on the enemy. I loved this game so much I got 100% on all missions (including hard) then acceived all of the medals.

My only complaint with this game was it was down before PS3 trophies and thus I can't claim another 100%.. ;-)

My advice is that if you don't like it don't play it.. I got a copy of Untitled (Drakes fortune) because everybody said it was great and thought it was boring..

Oink!

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#11 hazelnutman
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Hmm, walking into Valkyria Chronicles, you have to be in a mindset where every single unit is important. I nearly teared up when I had to sacrifice one of my men in order to save the entire operation in one mission where a giant ******* was ************** towards you. If you find the cautious nature of the game unappealing, then I guess you shouldn't really force yourself to complete it, although I would give it a few more chapters before putting it back on the shelf.
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#12 Sphire
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[QUOTE="agrippi"]do you know that if someone gets killed, you can have one of your other players run over them and a medic will come and yank your downed character out of battle? you can then use them in the next chapter...they aren't "dead". but, if you don't have a medic get them within like 3 turns, then they ARE gone for good.-ArchAngeL-777-
Yeah try this. I think you are going about it the wrong way. I played through and didnt lose a single character. I always had a medic get them. In fact, I think if the medic gets them, then they become available in a turn or two as reinforcements. This is a game where your strategy should win the day, not just wave after wave of attackers. Also, if you cant get into the story, then the game might seem dry. A lot of folks like the game because they get into the story which plays right into the combat.

Both of what these guys said is true. Though be careful if you re-use someone who died within the same battle. If they go down again it's for good, no chance of medic saving (if I'm not mistaken). Otherwise you should be able to get someone to a downed buddy to call in the medic(I can't remember if that is true right off the bat, or until you're actually in the military...I would assume the latter). I only had 1 person die (due to dieing twice as I stated above, which I didn't know at the time)..which I re-loaded and dealt with properly.

The exception to this are the main characters. So those who are pronounced during the story segments can't outright die. Which is why I happily sent Alicia to do some dirtywork a few times. The other thing I guess is that, it doesn't really matter if some of your squad dies, there should always be replacements. I will say this though, the battles do get tougher, but there's always a way.

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#13 pauljames1986
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I'm a bit gutted because i killed Jann and i carried on with the game, to far in to go back now.

I miss the campness.

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#14 yokofox33
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I'm a bit gutted because i killed Jann and i carried on with the game, to far in to go back now.

I miss the campness.

pauljames1986

Unforgivable. Completely and utterly unforgivable. Jann was the backbone of the game! How could you let this happen?

I might file this as a hate crime.

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#15 pauljames1986
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*Says something camp like Jann would say*

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I find this game quite hard and i'm a massive strategy/rpg/puzzle/tactics gamer. Medics are the way forward as are engineers for the tank. What I find hard about this game is the difficulty in planning. i mean sure, you can see thw hole map but there's a lot of guess-work in regard to where enemy units are. Snipers are my saviour but again, usually need engineer with them to restock ammo. Very strategic game, I usually find RTS harder than TBS but this is a lot harder than more RTS. Gutted that people are saying this game was relatively easy for them. Usually have to play most maps twice so far.
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#17 FaintRain
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always deploy the best ones you have the fact that they die is actually great it adds a lot of tension to the battle i think it's one of the things that makes VC unique you need to think things over not just go kick some a$$ and win
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#18 FaintRain
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I find this game quite hard and i'm a massive strategy/rpg/puzzle/tactics gamer. Medics are the way forward as are engineers for the tank. What I find hard about this game is the difficulty in planning. i mean sure, you can see thw hole map but there's a lot of guess-work in regard to where enemy units are. Snipers are my saviour but again, usually need engineer with them to restock ammo. Very strategic game, I usually find RTS harder than TBS but this is a lot harder than more RTS. Gutted that people are saying this game was relatively easy for them. Usually have to play most maps twice so far.tirralirra
you can always send a scout to see what's ahead,yes they have low HP but they are fast enough to save their skin
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Dude. There's a certain dessert mission you'll encounter that will pretty much make you come right back here. :P (FREAKING RANDOM VARIABLE!) You all know what I'm talking about! :P
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[QUOTE="tirralirra"]I find this game quite hard and i'm a massive strategy/rpg/puzzle/tactics gamer. Medics are the way forward as are engineers for the tank. What I find hard about this game is the difficulty in planning. i mean sure, you can see thw hole map but there's a lot of guess-work in regard to where enemy units are. Snipers are my saviour but again, usually need engineer with them to restock ammo. Very strategic game, I usually find RTS harder than TBS but this is a lot harder than more RTS. Gutted that people are saying this game was relatively easy for them. Usually have to play most maps twice so far.FaintRain
you can always send a scout to see what's ahead,yes they have low HP but they are fast enough to save their skin

meh! i know i should do this, but i prefer to have the fire power of lancers and gunners (the submachibe gun people - cant remember their names). no game has ever scared me soo much with their tanks, i hate fighting them in this game. soo disapointed to hear a VC2 for PSP but not for PS3...yet
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#21 FaintRain
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[QUOTE="FaintRain"][QUOTE="tirralirra"]I find this game quite hard and i'm a massive strategy/rpg/puzzle/tactics gamer. Medics are the way forward as are engineers for the tank. What I find hard about this game is the difficulty in planning. i mean sure, you can see thw hole map but there's a lot of guess-work in regard to where enemy units are. Snipers are my saviour but again, usually need engineer with them to restock ammo. Very strategic game, I usually find RTS harder than TBS but this is a lot harder than more RTS. Gutted that people are saying this game was relatively easy for them. Usually have to play most maps twice so far.tirralirra
you can always send a scout to see what's ahead,yes they have low HP but they are fast enough to save their skin

meh! i know i should do this, but i prefer to have the fire power of lancers and gunners (the submachibe gun people - cant remember their names). no game has ever scared me soo much with their tanks, i hate fighting them in this game. soo disapointed to hear a VC2 for PSP but not for PS3...yet

i use one scout only and not in every battle,shock troopers and lancers are good but if you move a lancer or a shock trooper alone then s/he will be nth than waste of time,move the troops like an army,troopers and lancers together a sniper (not always necessary) and an engineer at the back lines a scout to scout the area and of course the two tanks,use the orders well,and you will win with no dead soldiers,about the tanks you can always rely on lancers even if they take a bunch of CP to kill one tanks but they are pretty effective,about VC2 i think sega will make one for the 3 if it sells well on the psp,they can't take the franchise away from the mother-console lol
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#22 Essian
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I dunno... I mean.... ugh, I will play another few battles and see if I somehow fall in love with it, but unless it turns around and makes me fall completely head over heels in love with it, I'll probably end up trading it in, or selling it to a friend... I just dont see the point in playing a game you aren't completely in love with