Video games - art

I believe the overal experience you get when gameplay, graphics, sound and story combine in a game is like experiencing art. And its not like music or cinema but a completely new type of experience. This is also why i feel like video games are not a waste of time. Or maybe they are. But then so are movies and music.... It just that you do it for the feel and not to do something usefull.

That doesen't matter . You shouldn't compare very diffrent things.

im sorry, is this a question or a observation? seems like it should be a blog post or something.

That doesen't matter . You shouldn't compare very diffrent things.

hyksiu

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That doesen't matter . You shouldn't compare very diffrent things.

lordfalsus

I do not compare them to art. I say they are art. Art shouldn't be compared because it is abstract.You can't quite explain it.

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That doesen't matter . You shouldn't compare very diffrent things.

hyksiu

I do not compare them to art. I say they are art. Art shouldn't be compared because it is abstract.You can't quite explain it.

Well i believe that things that are affecting you emtionally are art. Even if you can't explain why. Maybe it's the world of the game or the feeling when you're exploring it.The thing itself may not look abstract but the feelings are.And everyone may see it diffrently.

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[QUOTE="lordfalsus"] how are you gonna tell him not to compare a video games to the mona lisa, when your thread is comapring video games to art? o_0Fightingfan

I do not compare them to art. I say they are art. Art shouldn't be compared because it is abstract.You can't quite explain it.

It is completely pointless to compare two different forms of art. There is no comparison between the two. Can you imagine someone saying "yeah, Exile On Main Street is good, but Bosch's 'the Garden of Earthly Delights' is better"? No, it'd be a rediculous statement.

How is Grand Theft Auto not art?

It can be, but thats not its purpose. I think the only reason people are now calling video games art is becuz of the visuals, before when the graphics sucked, no one dared to call video games artJ-WOW

They've almost always been an artform as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know the correct definition of art because it's a vague word. But no video game compares to the Mona Lisa in terms of require skill to create.Fightingfan

It can be, but thats not its purpose. I think the only reason people are now calling video games art is becuz of the visuals, before when the graphics sucked, no one dared to call video games artJ-WOW

Any game with a plot is art in my eyes.

I'd say video games are art, without a doubt. Think of the combination of music scores, concept art/sketches, visuals, sound effects, story, characters.

I'd call video games art moreso than I'd call that abstract crap art.

I think if more people saw what goes into the creation of video games behind the scenes, they'd be more apt to classify it as art.

All games are art, some are just crap art.

Oh God, not this again. As MethodManFTW said, art is totally subjective. Therefore, I can say with personal confidence that video games do NOT count as art, and never will be. If I'm playing a video game, I'm expecting grand gameplay design, excellent audio-visual presentation, and an overall "fun" factor -- not a provocative experience which will trigger the emotions in my subconscious. The game could be Mona Lisa: The Game for all I care, but if it doesn't deliver a coherent, interactive experience, then it fails as a video game, and therefore never qualifies as anything in both categories. Okami - not art. Echochrome - not art. Flower - not art. Uncharted 2 - not art. Assassin's Creed 2 - not art. Ico - not art. The above are video games. Video games I love. Not art. They were interactive experiences I had fun with. Art has the sole purpose of provoking emotions, while video games takes fun into a tangible and interactable form.hazelnutman

Is having fun not provoking an emotion? And whoever said the only purpose of art was to provoke emotions? Strictly apeaking the word "art" means "craft" or "skill", so in that regard video games are very much an art.

Art is totally subjective.MethodManFTW

Agreed. This thread feels more like a blog for some reason.

@Ilikemyname420 and worlock77:

I guess you missed the part where I re-stated the fact that art is totally subjective. Let me quote it for you guys so you don't miss it this time around:

As MethodManFTW said, art is totally subjective. Therefore, I can say with personal confidence that video games do NOT count as art, and never will be. hazelnutman

I feel so good today that I even decided to bold parts in my text which were really important. You're welcome.

If you people are going to base what art is off of dictionary definitions, then you're missing the point. I think video games are video games, and art is art. Art to me is something I observe and make interpretations of. Video games are pieces of interactive media I use for sheer entertainment value. You don't have to stick with my reasoning -- you can have your own interpretations of what art is (or in your cases, use the dictionary definition).

Again, I've bolded the important parts above to ensure that we don't have a misunderstanding here like we did last time.

Here's some further reading you guys should do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

I think I'm going to go with the definition of art that is definitive and has an origin instead of the word of MethodManFTW on Gamespot Forums like the rest of the world.

I know you like to boost your ego by making bold letters and quoting yourself as reference, but the rest of us are going by the intention of stimulating thoughts and emotions, not aesthetics like you Hazel. Big difference there.

Just because you have the ability to label something doesn't make it subjective and there is always the exception. We arn't dealing with that so quit patting yourself on the back, stop puffing out your chest and actually answer the question without diversing to the philosophy of what art means. Try and get back to the middle of the normal curve with the rest of us.

I'll even get you started by linking your favorite website to the word ART instead of OPINION.