Want to know why Sony's phasing out the 60Gb? - Here's the REAL logical reason.

that would be the only logical explanation and i think SCEE and Kaz announced the no 60gb prematurely

if the 80gig/emulation PS3's were cheaper to produce, they would have just sold those in the first place. cyow

The current 60GB consoles you see in stores were not fitted with the Emulation software now found in the 80GB, this being one of the reasons why Sony want to stop producing 60GB models (which they have) and sell the current ones by the price cut. In order to move the Core standalone 80GB into it's place once it's out of the picture altogether.

Make sense now?

To clear things up in a more understanding view, after putting together many thoughts being thrown around.

80GB is easier to find, and hence cheaper than the 60GB to produce at this point in time. The PS1/PS2 Emulation software is a hell of a lot cheaper to intergrate as well, apart from the EE chip (found in current 60Gb models) which is basically costing the company without a doubt. Sony would then like to phase out the 60GB and roll out 80GB PS3s, by having a clearance sale (see: price cut) on the existing 60GBs. The 80GB, which in its current form is only available in a "MotorStorm bundle" (Which it's status is labeled as "LIMITED EDITION") gets slapped with the $599 label. When the 60GB is out of the picture, the 80GB bundle is "discontinued" and a standalone 80GB PS3 is offered. (Sony would obviously keep this under wraps, otherwise if consumers knew, they'd all be ditching the idea of buying up the 60G in the first place... eliminating Sony's primary goal in all of this)

The Single SKU then starts to arise at $499 again. Featuring the release of their new touch sense SIXAXIS controller.

Therefore, quite possibly... and I mean possibly, paving the way for a 120Gb "premium" bundle sometime soon thereafter.

Of course, this move is only what is logical and Sony doesn't always follow logic, although, this is the way it should go along. Even now, after all this, I still feel Sony realize what's common sense towards their sales right now.jas315

The emulation software--which, according you, is making it cheaper to produce PS3--is for PS2 emulation?Deepcut9

Yes. Including PS1.

To clear things up in a more understanding view, after putting together many thoughts being thrown around.

80GB is easier to find, and hence cheaper than the 60GB to produce at this point in time. The PS1/PS2 Emulation software is a hell of a lot cheaper to intergrate as well, apart from the EE Chip (found in current 60Gb models) which is basically costing the company by each individual console.

Sony would then like to phase out the 60GB and roll out 80GB PS3s, by having a clearance sale (see: price cut) on the existing 60GBs. The 80GB, which in its current form is only available in the "MotorStorm bundle" (it's status is labeled as "LIMITED EDITION") gets slapped with the $599 label. When the 60GB is out of the picture, the 80GB bundle is "discontinued" and a standalone 80GB PS3 is offered. (Sony would obviously keep this under wraps, otherwise if consumers knew, they'd all be ditching the idea of buying up the 60G in the first place... eliminating Sony's primary goal in all of this)

The Single SKU then starts to arise at $499 again. Featuring the release of their new touch sense SIXAXIS controller.

Therefore, quite possibly... and I mean possibly, paving the way for a 120Gb "premium" bundle sometime soon thereafter.

Of course, this move is only what is logical and Sony doesn't always follow logic, although, this is the way it should go along. Even now, after all this, I still feel Sony realize what's common sense towards their sales right now.

jas315

I think you should become sonys marketing supervisor or whatever cause the guys whoa re working at sony right now are complete morons.

It is true about HDDs, these small drives can have so little price between them. I mean look at the 360 20gig HDD, that's the smallest laptop drive you can buy, and actually hard to find anywhere, so litereally $1-$5 more you can get a 40gig, $10 more a 60 to 80 gig, the reason why, the 20gig is freaking expensive for what you get.

A price difference between a 60-80gig is like 10% probably. I mean I bought a 120gb drive for the PS3 for $70, yet Microsoft wants to charge $180 for their 120gb drive, that 360 case can't be an extra $110 and they shouldn't be making $90 profit. And then they left the 20gb drive still at $99, for freaking sake, a 40gig drive is only $40, a 60gig drive is only $50, so why the hell do they still charge $99 for a 20gb drive 2 years later, atleast put a 40gig one in there so it last some amount of time and they'd make the same profit.

I would bet the house that the 80GB will be available for $499 for the Holiday season.. I believe the TC is totally right. As far as production costs go, don't forget about the huge drop in the blu-ray diode.

You guys can sit there and say how this is some sort of PR nightmare, but they are just trying to clear out the 60GB as fast as possible and start selling a more profitable production line. I don't know why people are in such a tizzy over this whole thing... right now they can get a $500 PS3, and 5 free blu-ray movies. And I am willing to guarantee they will be able to get a PS3 for $500 come the Holidays.

exactly what I've been saying.

Just want to add they are making it sound like the $599 bundle will be the only sku left once the 60s are sold out is so people will rush out and buy the 60gigs. I presume they have too much stock and will have a hard time getting rid of.

They want to get rid of it because once the 80gig + rumble standard comes in the 60gig without rumble will be completely useless.

This is the same reason they didn't announce rumble publicly at the press conference but instead have an employee confirm the next day. If they made it too public people will want to hold off for the rumble.

To clear things up in a more understanding view, after putting together many thoughts being thrown around.

80GB is easier to find, and hence cheaper than the 60GB to produce at this point in time. The PS1/PS2 Emulation software is a hell of a lot cheaper to intergrate as well, apart from the EE Chip (found in current 60Gb models) which is basically costing the company by each individual console.

Sony would then like to phase out the 60GB and roll out 80GB PS3s, by having a clearance sale (see: price cut) on the existing 60GBs. The 80GB, which in its current form is only available in the "MotorStorm bundle" (it's status is labeled as "LIMITED EDITION") gets slapped with the $599 label. When the 60GB is out of the picture, the 80GB bundle is "discontinued" and a standalone 80GB PS3 is offered. (Sony would obviously keep this under wraps, otherwise if consumers knew, they'd all be ditching the idea of buying up the 60G in the first place... eliminating Sony's primary goal in all of this)

The Single SKU then starts to arise at $499 again. Featuring the release of their new touch sense SIXAXIS controller.

Therefore, quite possibly... and I mean possibly, paving the way for a 120Gb "premium" bundle sometime soon thereafter.

Of course, this move is only what is logical and Sony doesn't always follow logic, although, this is the way it should go along. Even now, after all this, I still feel Sony realize what's common sense towards their sales right now.

jas315

This is what I think is going to happen too.

To clear things up in a more understanding view, after putting together many thoughts being thrown around.

80GB is easier to find, and hence cheaper than the 60GB to produce at this point in time. The PS1/PS2 Emulation software is a hell of a lot cheaper to intergrate as well, apart from the EE Chip (found in current 60Gb models) which is basically costing the company by each individual console.

Sony would then like to phase out the 60GB and roll out 80GB PS3s, by having a clearance sale (see: price cut) on the existing 60GBs. The 80GB, which in its current form is only available in the "MotorStorm bundle" (it's status is labeled as "LIMITED EDITION") gets slapped with the $599 label. When the 60GB is out of the picture, the 80GB bundle is "discontinued" and a standalone 80GB PS3 is offered. (Sony would obviously keep this under wraps, otherwise if consumers knew, they'd all be ditching the idea of buying up the 60G in the first place... eliminating Sony's primary goal in all of this)

The Single SKU then starts to arise at $499 again. Featuring the release of their new touch sense SIXAXIS controller.

Therefore, quite possibly... and I mean possibly, paving the way for a 120Gb "premium" bundle sometime soon thereafter.

Of course, this move is only what is logical and Sony doesn't always follow logic, although, this is the way it should go along. Even now, after all this, I still feel Sony realize what's common sense towards their sales right now.

jas315

I agree with you 95%. The only difference is that I believe 80GB system will be first sold at 549 instead of 499 when 60G is sold out. Then we will see another price drop on the 80G system and see a 120G (or bigger) version of PS3.

I agree with everything except the 120 GB SKU. Hirai said in that interview they will have a single SKU strategy from now on.

80 GB w/o MotorStorm @ 499,- this holiday season is pretty certain though.

To clear things up in a more understanding view, after putting together many thoughts being thrown around.

80GB is easier to find, and hence cheaper than the 60GB to produce at this point in time. The PS1/PS2 Emulation software is a hell of a lot cheaper to intergrate as well, apart from the EE Chip (found in current 60Gb models) which is basically costing the company by each individual console.

Sony would then like to phase out the 60GB and roll out 80GB PS3s, by having a clearance sale (see: price cut) on the existing 60GBs. The 80GB, which in its current form is only available in the "MotorStorm bundle" (it's status is labeled as "LIMITED EDITION") gets slapped with the $599 label. When the 60GB is out of the picture, the 80GB bundle is "discontinued" and a standalone 80GB PS3 is offered. (Sony would obviously keep this under wraps, otherwise if consumers knew, they'd all be ditching the idea of buying up the 60G in the first place... eliminating Sony's primary goal in all of this)

The Single SKU then starts to arise at $499 again. Featuring the release of their new touch sense SIXAXIS controller.

Therefore, quite possibly... and I mean possibly, paving the way for a 120Gb "premium" bundle sometime soon thereafter.

Of course, this move is only what is logical and Sony doesn't always follow logic, although, this is the way it should go along. Even now, after all this, I still feel Sony realize what's common sense towards their sales right now.

jas315

Ya, as far as pricing goes that is what I thought to. The mistake sony made in my opinion is saying they were phasing out the 60gb. I know they cannot say the 80gb will take its place during the holiday season or people will not buy it. They should have kept quite about, I mean it is tough becasue either way they will piss people off...tough pr decision, hopefully the will not alienate people.

I agree with everything except the 120 GB SKU. Hirai said in that interview they will have a single SKU strategy from now on.

80 GB w/o MotorStorm @ 499,- this holiday season is pretty certain though.

kilik

I would have to agree... but there is something I have been thinking about for a while. The motorstorm bundle is limited edition with 1,000,000 copies correct? clearly they believe it will take sometime to move the rest of the 60gb before they could introduce the 80 alone for 499. I don't think they will be able to sell the 80gb alone for 599 because of the bundle. But if they dont sell out the 60 gb by the holidays and are running low on the bundle do they drop the price of the 60gb to 399 and 80 499? Thouhgts/opinions on any of this?

There is only one problem they need to address. If a 20 gig or a 60 gig break, will they fix it for free or are we going to have to pay some 100+ dollarsto have it repaired. Another would be will retailers replace 20 and 60 gig PS3's with the 80 when customers who bought an extended warrenty have a dead console. Of course it seems very unlikely given I have never heard of one breaking yet. Still something to ponder though.EMERlCa6969

If it is under the one year warranty still I think they would replace it with the 80gb...I don't think production costs are any higher on the 80 gig cuz they are loosing teh EE chip...so it is not like sony loses any money from 60gb to 80 gb

There is only one problem they need to address. If a 20 gig or a 60 gig break, will they fix it for free or are we going to have to pay some 100+ dollarsto have it repaired. Another would be will retailers replace 20 and 60 gig PS3's with the 80 when customers who bought an extended warrenty have a dead console. Of course it seems very unlikely given I have never heard of one breaking yet. Still something to ponder though.EMERlCa6969

It would be common sense for Sony to treat all customers with the same costumer service no matter which model you own. As they always have.

Although I highly doubt they'd upgrade your HDD to 80GB, since what you buy, on your own choice, is what you get.

[QUOTE="jas315"]

To clear things up in a more understanding view, after putting together many thoughts being thrown around.

80GB is easier to find, and hence cheaper than the 60GB to produce at this point in time. The PS1/PS2 Emulation software is a hell of a lot cheaper to intergrate as well, apart from the EE Chip (found in current 60Gb models) which is basically costing the company by each individual console.

Sony would then like to phase out the 60GB and roll out 80GB PS3s, by having a clearance sale (see: price cut) on the existing 60GBs. The 80GB, which in its current form is only available in the "MotorStorm bundle" (it's status is labeled as "LIMITED EDITION") gets slapped with the $599 label. When the 60GB is out of the picture, the 80GB bundle is "discontinued" and a standalone 80GB PS3 is offered. (Sony would obviously keep this under wraps, otherwise if consumers knew, they'd all be ditching the idea of buying up the 60G in the first place... eliminating Sony's primary goal in all of this)

The Single SKU then starts to arise at $499 again. Featuring the release of their new touch sense SIXAXIS controller.

Therefore, quite possibly... and I mean possibly, paving the way for a 120Gb "premium" bundle sometime soon thereafter.

Of course, this move is only what is logical and Sony doesn't always follow logic, although, this is the way it should go along. Even now, after all this, I still feel Sony realize what's common sense towards their sales right now.

henry4th

I agree with you 95%. The only difference is that I believe 80GB system will be first sold at 549 instead of 499 when 60G is sold out. Then we will see another price drop on the 80G system and see a 120G (or bigger) version of PS3.

actually it will be 499 cuz the 80 gig is more commonaly used and the ee is out

[QUOTE="Deepcut9"]The emulation software--which, according you, is making it cheaper to produce PS3--is for PS2 emulation?jas315

Yes. Including PS1.

There is enough supply of the 60GB unit in retail for this holiday season......at least I think they do. =/

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-499-60gb-ps3-is-staying-alive-alive-in-us/

no one came to my thread I have this on so this one seemed apropriate.

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[QUOTE="Deepcut9"]The emulation software--which, according you, is making it cheaper to produce PS3--is for PS2 emulation?sainraja

Yes. Including PS1.

There is enough supply of the 60GB unit in retail for this holiday season......at least I think they do. =/

This might be a stupid Q, but I'm wondering if the PS3s internal hard drive can be swapped?

This might be a stupid Q, but I'm wondering if the PS3s internal hard drive can be swapped?

5FingersOfDeath

This is the drive I have in my PS3 right now: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822149057

[QUOTE="5FingersOfDeath"]

This might be a stupid Q, but I'm wondering if the PS3s internal hard drive can be swapped?

TimothyB

This is the drive I have in my PS3 right now:

Sounds good, I'll get one when I'm down to 10G. Ummm how would I transfer data? Do I need to hook em up to a comp.?

[QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="5FingersOfDeath"]

This might be a stupid Q, but I'm wondering if the PS3s internal hard drive can be swapped?

5FingersOfDeath

This is the drive I have in my PS3 right now:

Sounds good, I'll get one when I'm down to 10G. Ummm how would I transfer data? Do I need to hook em up to a comp.?

If you have a 60gb model you can probably transfer all your saved game data to memory cards with the copy function. Or a thumbdrive with the usb ports. Then just redownload all the demos, movies and patches on the new drive. It's good to back up your saves now and then just incase the drive dies, which happened with my 20gig drive, which is the reason I bought the 120gig drive.