Warhawk--Crashed and burned on arrival!

Are you guys as upset about Warhawk as me?  This was one of my most anticipated games to be released.  I was so excited to be engrossed through a great EPIC STORY (which was promised by the devs back at TGS 06) fighting to stave off an invasion.  The airal combat looked over the top intense and the ground combat looked decent enough warranting it worth a few minutes to jump out of your Warhawk and fight on foot.

However, all is lost.  They went and got lazy.  Incognito just lost most of my respect.  Just because the single player game was not turning out as they hoped, should not mean scrapping it all together.  It should mean that you buckle down and fix your mistakes.  In my opinion, removal of the great EPIC STORY and single player campaign was the demise of this potential blockbuster series.

I guess I will have to rely on Lair for my airal combat fix.  This game (which at first I was a little apprehensive about, becuase it looked like a lot of rinse and repeat type gameplay) however, now after reading the latest interview with the dev and seeing that there is going to be an EPIC STORY (curse you Warhawk), attacking of cities, defending of cities, betrayal, twists and turns that you never saw coming, and boss battles of epic size similar to Shadow of the Colossus to boot.  I guess all of us pining for a great airal combat will now be limited to just Lair.

I don't know how you guys feel, but games like Warhawk online just always seems to turn out to be contained chaos.  Everyone just shooting at everything that moves.  It is impossible to carry out great battles without proper communication and having chains of command.  This is impossible, due to not many people having headsets, and even when they do many people don't want to listen and just go off and do their own thing.  Without the coordination and planning of attacks, this gameplay is just lackluster at best--and complete and utter chaos at worst.

Two thumbs down!!! Way down!!!!

What's more is the game looks very bland.  I was expecting to see some visuals that had improved since our last viewing of this game nearly six months ago.  Alas, more dissapointment as the game looks very bland and boring as opposed to the visuals of games like Lair, Motorstorm, Rainbow Six, Heavenly Sword, The Darkness.

I just don't see what the hell the devs at Incognito have been doing over the past six months.  Hmmm... it loses single player all together and then the visuals have not improved much at all. 

Very disappointing!  I think they are going to lose a ton of money on this game.  Especially being that all they can now charge for this game is about $20.  And really I think they will be lucky if many people buy it at that price.

Am I dissapointed with the lack of single-player? Yes.

Will that prevent me from buying the game? No.

Lair lacks multiplayer, Warhawk lacks single player, each game's respective team gets to focus on making one mode the best as opposed to two modes decent.

Wait and play it first. Warhawk Videogizmo_logix

Why?  I don't really care for the chaos of online war games.  Now games like GRAW 2 and Rainbow Six are different because they offer you co-op through the story.  There is very little confusion when you are working with one or two other players.  The accuracy and teamwork is like a well oiled machine, but the logistics of having that type of gameplay with more than a handfull of people makes it impossible.

I would like to remind you that Counter Strike has no single player and is probably the most played game to date.Zeke129

This may be the case.  I don't know much about that game, as I really don't care much for online gameplay.  That is why I am stressing my disappointment with the removal of the SP experience on Warhawk.

What's more is the game looks very bland.  I was expecting to see some visuals that had improved since our last viewing of this game nearly six months ago.  Alas, more dissapointment as the game looks very bland and boring as opposed to the visuals of games like Lair, Motorstorm, Rainbow Six, Heavenly Sword, The Darkness.

HuhJustaBox

Warhawk's visuals aren't bland, it has more of a "cartoon-ish" style than many of the other PS3 games.

Lair's visuals look amazing, especially with the number of enemies on-screen. Something about it looks very "clean" despite being in a gritty world.

I could watch footage of Lair and Warhawk for hours, but with Rainbow Six (which is an amazing game, by the way) all of its graphics tend to blend together in a pretty forgettable way, with the only things standing out being some of the slot machines and marquees.

Am I dissapointed with the lack of single-player? Yes.

Will that prevent me from buying the game? No.

Lair lacks multiplayer, Warhawk lacks single player, each game's respective team gets to focus on making one mode the best as opposed to two modes decent.

Xanog1

same, and while i am really pissed off that i wont be able to blow up the flying ships and i was really looking forward to single player, i have alot of other games i plan on buying and playing, and with the halo 3 beta and the rumors of a killzone 2 demo...i dont have enough time as it is.

the video where they explained the reasoning to take out single player sounds credible.  sure it might just be BS that "their customers deserve the best experience we can give them, and the single player was falling way short of that."  ok not exact quote but close enough.  but if it wasnt working out, and they have already spent alot of money on this game i would think, then it is reasonable for them to switch strategies.  at least they fessed up and instead of having a lackluster single player, they aren't gonna make us suffer through it. 

I was hoping for 40 online, but 32 is still good, and the gameplay looked pretty good, better than i expected.  as for people complaining about it needing better visuals...it still looks very detailed and its not that bad.  the running animation is a little wierd but i dont care.  they will be outta their minds to charge $60 for this, although i'd still consider buying it only if they include alot of maps, and a variety of vehicles.  i'd say more around $25-40 or so, that would still be worth it. 

Why?  I don't really care for the chaos of online war games.  Now games like GRAW 2 and Rainbow Six are different because they offer you co-op through the story.  There is very little confusion when you are working with one or two other players.  The accuracy and teamwork is like a well oiled machine, but the logistics of having that type of gameplay with more than a handfull of people makes it impossible.HuhJustaBox

I don't understand why Sony raises the bar with it's pricing, but lowers the bar with what it allows some developers to get away with.  If anything, you should be seeing stupid download-only games on the 360 and Sony should require more. 

And it's not just this game.  GT turned into a demo, and Motorstorm has no offline multiplayer.  I can trace racing games back 10 years that had offline multiplayer.  Think back to E3, motorstorm and Warhawk were supposed to be 2 of the games that defined the ps3.  Now most people are hyping motorstorm AA and Warhawk isn't even really a full game.  I don't think there is an excuse for this kind of stuff on a console with such a large pricetag.  We should expect more, not settle for less.

Warhawk.....dissapointing!!! :(  I'm not gonna buy this game now! Too bad!!

Now that was  a bad move by Incognito!!

Are you guys as upset about Warhawk as me?  This was one of my most anticipated games to be released.  I was so excited to be engrossed through a great EPIC STORY (which was promised by the devs back at TGS 06) fighting to stave off an invasion.  The airal combat looked over the top intense and the ground combat looked decent enough warranting it worth a few minutes to jump out of your Warhawk and fight on foot.

However, all is lost.  They went and got lazy.  Incognito just lost most of my respect.  Just because the single player game was not turning out as they hoped, should not mean scrapping it all together.  It should mean that you buckle down and fix your mistakes.  In my opinion, removal of the great EPIC STORY and single player campaign was the demise of this potential blockbuster series.

I guess I will have to rely on Lair for my airal combat fix.  This game (which at first I was a little apprehensive about, becuase it looked like a lot of rinse and repeat type gameplay) however, now after reading the latest interview with the dev and seeing that there is going to be an EPIC STORY (curse you Warhawk), attacking of cities, defending of cities, betrayal, twists and turns that you never saw coming, and boss battles of epic size similar to Shadow of the Colossus to boot.  I guess all of us pining for a great airal combat will now be limited to just Lair.

I don't know how you guys feel, but games like Warhawk online just always seems to turn out to be contained chaos.  Everyone just shooting at everything that moves.  It is impossible to carry out great battles without proper communication and having chains of command.  This is impossible, due to not many people having headsets, and even when they do many people don't want to listen and just go off and do their own thing.  Without the coordination and planning of attacks, this gameplay is just lackluster at best--and complete and utter chaos at worst.

Two thumbs down!!! Way down!!!!

HuhJustaBox

[QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]Why?  I don't really care for the chaos of online war games.  Now games like GRAW 2 and Rainbow Six are different because they offer you co-op through the story.  There is very little confusion when you are working with one or two other players.  The accuracy and teamwork is like a well oiled machine, but the logistics of having that type of gameplay with more than a handfull of people makes it impossible.gizmo_logix

yea.  and the logistics of having that type of gameplay is impossible?  im sorry but thats just needs to be labeled as FALSE.  in games like battlefield 2 you could have a team be coordinated and have a well planed strategy.  yes you would need to all be friends, as when you play with a bunch of people you don't know it isnt coordinated.  but even then you still have to work as a team, and if you don't (which happens) you lose pretty much all the time unless you have a guy on you team with like 50+ kills.  but thats your own teams fault that they didn't work well together.  the same can also happen in 2-4 player coop.  not playing as a team and running off doing your own thing, no communication, it still ahppens

i fully agree that with more people it increases the chance for confusion, but thats actually a good point.  it happens in war, and therefore makes the game that much more real.  friendly fire, mistakes on the frontline, applies to both

its nowhere near impossible to get 20 people to act as a team and be force to be reconed with. 

[QUOTE="gizmo_logix"][QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]Why?  I don't really care for the chaos of online war games.  Now games like GRAW 2 and Rainbow Six are different because they offer you co-op through the story.  There is very little confusion when you are working with one or two other players.  The accuracy and teamwork is like a well oiled machine, but the logistics of having that type of gameplay with more than a handfull of people makes it impossible.Gokuja

yea.  and the logistics of having that type of gameplay is impossible?  im sorry but thats just needs to be labeled as FALSE.  in games like battlefield 2 you could have a team be coordinated and have a well planed strategy.  yes you would need to all be friends, as when you play with a bunch of people you don't know it isnt coordinated.  but even then you still have to work as a team, and if you don't (which happens) you lose pretty much all the time unless you have a guy on you team with like 50+ kills.  but thats your own teams fault that they didn't work well together.  the same can also happen in 2-4 player coop.  not playing as a team and running off doing your own thing, no communication, it still ahppens

i fully agree that with more people it increases the chance for confusion, but thats actually a good point.  it happens in war, and therefore makes the game that much more real.  friendly fire, mistakes on the frontline, applies to both

its nowhere near impossible to get 20 people to act as a team and be force to be reconed with. 

Are you guys as upset about Warhawk as me?  This was one of my most anticipated games to be released.  I was so excited to be engrossed through a great EPIC STORY (which was promised by the devs back at TGS 06) fighting to stave off an invasion.  The airal combat looked over the top intense and the ground combat looked decent enough warranting it worth a few minutes to jump out of your Warhawk and fight on foot.

However, all is lost.  They went and got lazy.  Incognito just lost most of my respect.  Just because the single player game was not turning out as they hoped, should not mean scrapping it all together.  It should mean that you buckle down and fix your mistakes.  In my opinion, removal of the great EPIC STORY and single player campaign was the demise of this potential blockbuster series.

I guess I will have to rely on Lair for my airal combat fix.  This game (which at first I was a little apprehensive about, becuase it looked like a lot of rinse and repeat type gameplay) however, now after reading the latest interview with the dev and seeing that there is going to be an EPIC STORY (curse you Warhawk), attacking of cities, defending of cities, betrayal, twists and turns that you never saw coming, and boss battles of epic size similar to Shadow of the Colossus to boot.  I guess all of us pining for a great airal combat will now be limited to just Lair.

I don't know how you guys feel, but games like Warhawk online just always seems to turn out to be contained chaos.  Everyone just shooting at everything that moves.  It is impossible to carry out great battles without proper communication and having chains of command.  This is impossible, due to not many people having headsets, and even when they do many people don't want to listen and just go off and do their own thing.  Without the coordination and planning of attacks, this gameplay is just lackluster at best--and complete and utter chaos at worst.

Two thumbs down!!! Way down!!!!

HuhJustaBox

I would like to remind you that Counter Strike has no single player and is probably the most played game to date.Zeke129

[QUOTE="gizmo_logix"][QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]Why?  I don't really care for the chaos of online war games.  Now games like GRAW 2 and Rainbow Six are different because they offer you co-op through the story.  There is very little confusion when you are working with one or two other players.  The accuracy and teamwork is like a well oiled machine, but the logistics of having that type of gameplay with more than a handfull of people makes it impossible.Gokuja

yea.  and the logistics of having that type of gameplay is impossible?  im sorry but thats just needs to be labeled as FALSE.  in games like battlefield 2 you could have a team be coordinated and have a well planed strategy.  yes you would need to all be friends, as when you play with a bunch of people you don't know it isnt coordinated.  but even then you still have to work as a team, and if you don't (which happens) you lose pretty much all the time unless you have a guy on you team with like 50+ kills.  but thats your own teams fault that they didn't work well together.  the same can also happen in 2-4 player coop.  not playing as a team and running off doing your own thing, no communication, it still ahppens

i fully agree that with more people it increases the chance for confusion, but thats actually a good point.  it happens in war, and therefore makes the game that much more real.  friendly fire, mistakes on the frontline, applies to both

its nowhere near impossible to get 20 people to act as a team and be force to be reconed with. 

You are correct that it is not impossible, but it is highly unlikely.  It is very hard to get two teams of 16 people all having mics, all following a chain of command, and all doing "their part" in the same game.  I am sure a vast majority of the time you are going to have chaos.

On the other hand, you are correct that their can be confusion and idiots that won't listen when you are playing 2-4 player co-op, however, it is much more likely that things will go more smoothly in small numbers.  Personally I cannot wait to play co-op (Rainbow six) with my cousin that lives in another state.  This will be sweet as hell coordinating against the computer and playing through an actual story.

I am just upset that there will never be these 'epic' dogfights with hundreds of planes on the screen, going after those huge flying ships, and also feeling like you are completing a mission and experiencing an actual epic battle.

hahaha i love your name, huhjustabox.. haha i member mgs1 and how theyd say that..i always cracked upArsenal325

Yes, I am glad someone got where my name came from.  Unfortunately, many people have forgotten the humor from the good old MGS days on the Playstation.  And even worse, some never experienced truly one of the best games ever made.  In my opinion it wins hands down.

Who said it would have been "epic" in the single player anyway ? That is like saying that Socom is an epic single player experience.


Nike_Air

Either you are kidding or you have not been following this game at all.  That was one of the things that was supposed to be so great about the game.  Hell in just about every video (on Warhawk's official site) the devs were saying this and that about EPIC gameplay going against hundreds of planes and large flying ships.  And how the story was supposed to be some big EPIC story with twists and turns.  Oh well, guess I will get all of this with Lair.

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]Who said it would have been "epic" in the single player anyway ? That is like saying that Socom is an epic single player experience.


HuhJustaBox

Either you are kidding or you have not been following this game at all.  That was one of the things that was supposed to be so great about the game.  Hell in just about every video (on Warhawk's official site) the devs were saying this and that about EPIC gameplay going against hundreds of planes and large flying ships.  And how the story was supposed to be some big EPIC story with twists and turns.  Oh well, guess I will get all of this with Lair.

I am very dissapointed.

Warhawk  was one of the games that I bought the PS3 for.

Sony really messed up. I and many others were going to pay $60 for Warhawk.

Also think about how much it is going to be. If Tekken DR came out here for $20 think about how much they are going to charge for Warhawk. I expect it to be atleast $40. 

I am very dissapointed.

Warhawk  was one of the games that I bought the PS3 for.

Sony really messed up. I and many others were going to pay $60 for Warhawk.

Also think about how much it is going to be. If Tekken DR came out here for $20 think about how much they are going to charge for Warhawk. I expect it to be atleast $40. 

JDUB_x

YES!!!  ME TOO!!!  One of the many reasons I bought my PS3 was for this game.  I fell in love with Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, and Warhawk.  I also wanted a blu-ray player, all of the franchises that I love...MGS wink wink (worth $500 just for that game IMO), and all of the new franchises that Sony would create like Uncharted: Drake from Naughty Dog, and so on.

I am just really bummed that this game tanked.  And you may be correct, if they are charging $20 for Tekken 5 then it will likely be at least $30 or more for Warhawk.  That would be a lot of money for a very shallow experience.  No story, no purchase... in my book that is.

I am very dissapointed.

Warhawk  was one of the games that I bought the PS3 for.

Sony really messed up. I and many others were going to pay $60 for Warhawk.

Also think about how much it is going to be. If Tekken DR came out here for $20 think about how much they are going to charge for Warhawk. I expect it to be atleast $40. 

JDUB_x

How is it sonys faughlt? Also here a simple answer to all the complainers DONT BUY THE GAME. You see how simple that was.

[QUOTE="Zeke129"]I would like to remind you that Counter Strike has no single player and is probably the most played game to date.HuhJustaBox

This may be the case. I don't know much about that game, as I really don't care much for online gameplay. That is why I am stressing my disappointment with the removal of the SP experience on Warhawk.

Hopefully they are just tryign to quit wasting time trying to perfect this game so they can put more time and energy on the Incog. game that is really going to matter for the PS3. I'm talking about a new Twisted Metal. That is exactly what this console needs and I think Sony and everyone knows it.needlesmcgirk

I would like to remind you that Counter Strike has no single player and is probably the most played game to date.Zeke129

Very true. Just look at my sig, I still play it! :wink:

I am just really bummed that this game tanked.  No story, no purchase... in my book that is.HuhJustaBox

[QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]I am just really bummed that this game tanked. No story, no purchase... in my book that is.gizmo_logix

[QUOTE="Gokuja"]

[QUOTE="gizmo_logix"][QUOTE="HuhJustaBox"]Why?  I don't really care for the chaos of online war games.  Now games like GRAW 2 and Rainbow Six are different because they offer you co-op through the story.  There is very little confusion when you are working with one or two other players.  The accuracy and teamwork is like a well oiled machine, but the logistics of having that type of gameplay with more than a handfull of people makes it impossible.HuhJustaBox

yea.  and the logistics of having that type of gameplay is impossible?  im sorry but thats just needs to be labeled as FALSE.  in games like battlefield 2 you could have a team be coordinated and have a well planed strategy.  yes you would need to all be friends, as when you play with a bunch of people you don't know it isnt coordinated.  but even then you still have to work as a team, and if you don't (which happens) you lose pretty much all the time unless you have a guy on you team with like 50+ kills.  but thats your own teams fault that they didn't work well together.  the same can also happen in 2-4 player coop.  not playing as a team and running off doing your own thing, no communication, it still ahppens

i fully agree that with more people it increases the chance for confusion, but thats actually a good point.  it happens in war, and therefore makes the game that much more real.  friendly fire, mistakes on the frontline, applies to both

its nowhere near impossible to get 20 people to act as a team and be force to be reconed with. 

You are correct that it is not impossible, but it is highly unlikely.  It is very hard to get two teams of 16 people all having mics, all following a chain of command, and all doing "their part" in the same game.  I am sure a vast majority of the time you are going to have chaos.

On the other hand, you are correct that their can be confusion and idiots that won't listen when you are playing 2-4 player co-op, however, it is much more likely that things will go more smoothly in small numbers.  Personally I cannot wait to play co-op (Rainbow six) with my cousin that lives in another state.  This will be sweet as hell coordinating against the computer and playing through an actual story.

I am just upset that there will never be these 'epic' dogfights with hundreds of planes on the screen, going after those huge flying ships, and also feeling like you are completing a mission and experiencing an actual epic battle.

from what i've heard rainbow six's single player is great so you'll have fun with that.  but on the 360 the graphics look like N64 for multiplayer.  i played the demo and it kinda sucked, gameplay to.  there are still people who love it and play it, but i was disappointed. 

as for the discussion, either way you go, 2-4 player coop or 16-64 online it also depends on how good your people are.  otherwise communication and teamwork don't mean jack if they can't hit anyone.  I just really don't care, i love both.  small multiplayer is great, fun with friends, although maybe not 4vs4.   but games like battlefield, resistance, planetside...i cant get enough of those games.

Are you guys as upset about Warhawk as me?  This was one of my most anticipated games to be released.  I was so excited to be engrossed through a great EPIC STORY (which was promised by the devs back at TGS 06) fighting to stave off an invasion.  The airal combat looked over the top intense and the ground combat looked decent enough warranting it worth a few minutes to jump out of your Warhawk and fight on foot.

However, all is lost.  They went and got lazy.  Incognito just lost most of my respect.  Just because the single player game was not turning out as they hoped, should not mean scrapping it all together.  It should mean that you buckle down and fix your mistakes.  In my opinion, removal of the great EPIC STORY and single player campaign was the demise of this potential blockbuster series.

I guess I will have to rely on Lair for my airal combat fix.  This game (which at first I was a little apprehensive about, becuase it looked like a lot of rinse and repeat type gameplay) however, now after reading the latest interview with the dev and seeing that there is going to be an EPIC STORY (curse you Warhawk), attacking of cities, defending of cities, betrayal, twists and turns that you never saw coming, and boss battles of epic size similar to Shadow of the Colossus to boot.  I guess all of us pining for a great airal combat will now be limited to just Lair.

I don't know how you guys feel, but games like Warhawk online just always seems to turn out to be contained chaos.  Everyone just shooting at everything that moves.  It is impossible to carry out great battles without proper communication and having chains of command.  This is impossible, due to not many people having headsets, and even when they do many people don't want to listen and just go off and do their own thing.  Without the coordination and planning of attacks, this gameplay is just lackluster at best--and complete and utter chaos at worst.

Two thumbs down!!! Way down!!!!

HuhJustaBox

i agree with you all the way, man, this was the game i was looking forward to most, but now i dont think i will even get it