Washington Post "reviewer" gave Uncharted 4 a ridiculous 4 out of 10.

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#1  Edited By BH14
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If this wasn't a troll article, I don't know what is. Even if you aren't an Uncharted fan, there is no way that anybody would give the game a 4 out of 10. This phony reviewer was even allowed to post his CRITIC review on metacritic. He said Uncharted series should have ended after part 1. If you haven't played Uncharted 4, don't read his article because he even says some spoilers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/05/12/uncharted-4-a-thiefs-end-review-this-four-part-series-should-have-ended-after-part-one/

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#2 GTR12
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I give it a 3/10

Who the **** cares? its just some number and he/she didn't like the game for HIS/HER reasons and opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own reviews and scores.

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#3 BH14
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@GTR12:

You never even played Uncharted 4 so no need to lie. If you hated the other Uncharted games, you definitely didn't buy Uncharted 4.

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#4 nepu7supastar7
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@BH14: He might've been paid off by Microsoft to bash the score. The whole thing sounds fishy! Either way, he's one out of thousands of 10's and near perfect scores. So no real harm done.

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#5 SoNin360
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I glanced it before and it didn't seem very professional. The guy had an obvious bias going in and wasn't going to like the game no matter how good it is. But I didn't think too much of it. I don't like how most reviews are written. They just seem way too amateur and informal, like almost anyone could write a review that could pass as one of these "professional" reviews. With that note I have to praise GameSpot for generally having well-written reviews, even if I don't always agree with them.

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@BH14 said:

@GTR12:

You never even played Uncharted 4 so no need to lie. If you hated the other Uncharted games, you definitely didn't buy Uncharted 4.

I may not have played Uncharted 4, but that's not even my point... /facepalm

Everyone is entitled to THEIR OPINION, whether you choose to agree or disagree is up to you. Its the author's opinion and his/her review, that's their job, don't like it, don't read it.

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#7 brn-dn
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It's ridiculous Metacritic has kept the score when it isn't even listed as a scored review.

The Washington Post is crap anyway.

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#8 BH14
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It isn't as simple as "it is his opinion, he can give it any score he wants". Professionalism, credibilty, reporting, being unbias and backing arguments don't matter anymore? The review was pure garbage. I have to believe a GAME CRITIC has to be held up to higher standards especially when he is reporter for the Washington Post. When did it become OK for a professional critic to simply turn into an Xbox troll with his main objective to get many views no matter what. He also had an article that said "Is Dark Souls 2 the worst game ever?". Anybody who thinks his UC4 review is a legit is a fool.

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#9  Edited By Articuno76
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@BH14 said:

It isn't as simple as "it is his opinion, he can give it any score he wants". Professionalism, credibilty, reporting, being unbias and backing arguments don't matter anymore? The review was pure garbage. I have to believe a GAME CRITIC has to be held up to higher standards especially when he is reporter for the Washington Post. When did it become OK for a professional critic to simply turn into an Xbox troll with his main objective to get many views no matter what. He also had an article that said "Is Dark Souls 2 the worst game ever?". Anybody who thinks his UC4 review is a legit is a fool.

In regards to the score, it's totally okay for him to give it whatever he wants as long as it follows naturally from the body of the review. But the rest of the review (whatever is said in it) has to be of a standard that stands up to scrutiny.

The issue I have with this review isn't the score, or even the reviewer's low evaluation, it's the way they aren't approaching the review sincerely, using it instead as a smut piece for cheap shock value. It's the kind of class-less move I'd expect from a sensational magazine, not an outlet billing itself as a reputable publication.

So yeah, 'It is his opinion' is not a mantra that wards off any and all criticism, as much as shitty reviewers would like it to be. And I stress this: It's not the opinion I disagree with, it's the approach to reviewing and methodology by which they arrived at that opinion that I disagree with. An approach and methodology that invalidates the opinion, regardless of what evaluation is contained within.

I've made this point before elsewhere so I'll paste it here (note that I was addressing someone else when I made this post so some of the points my not apply to this thread):

I would use the term 'interest piece' to describe what you are calling an article/opinion piece because if you say a review is an 'opinion piece' people get fixated on the retrograde semantics of whether a review is an opinion/includes an opinion or not (well of course it does. No shit!).

But I do agree with you: A review serves a fundamentally different purpose and is approached with a different mindset/methodology than an interest piece (which is a selective/highly filtered look at a game through a lens of the authors' choosing).

And (to add to what you are saying) yes, its true that a review includes opinion, subjectivity and bias as constants. But for some reason people take that to extremes to mean all concepts of moderation should be thrown out the window and a review should be whatever the writer wants it to be. Anything goes! (hang on there busters! No it doesn't!).

The thing is, people criticising modern reviews (such as you and me) are fully aware that opinion, subjectivity and bias are a constant: the point is what role a reviewer allows these things play in the review.

For example, you mentioned that "A review also should be laced with opinion in order to give depth and a sense of comparison and subjective perspective", and this is completely true.

The evaluation in a review should be judged against the design goals of a game (which will be apparent from observing how the game works). It's just that the act of observation and deducing design intent introduces a degree of (acceptable) subjectivity. This is fine, it's the subjective element working in the correct role. I might not agree with the reviewers' deconstruction of the game, but I wouldn't be able to fault their methodology.

The problem is we have reviewers bringing extra-game frameworks to bear on videogame appraisal, and that makes no sense because that isn't a fair appraisal of the game in the context that matters for a review (what the game is trying to do) but against the reviewers arbitrarily applied personal set of values (at that point you might as well rate down Horror games for being distressful/scary. This is why context matters!). At that point the review isn't actually about the game anymore (context has gone out the window)... It's about the reviewer.

And doing that is fine too... as long as you don't try and pass it off as a review (which is the point you were getting at above: Stick it an interest piece).

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#10 RandyBumGardner
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This guy is very good at reviews. Like ridiculously good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw

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#11  Edited By BH14
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@randybumgardner said:

This guy is very good at reviews. Like ridiculously good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw

That guy's name is George Weidman.

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#12 SolidTy
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@BH14: The poorly written, seemingly parody "review" written by someone who clearly didn't play or enjoy the Uncharted series, wasn't even assigned a score in the review, just at metacritic, lol.

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#13 MethodManFTW
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Who cares? There isn't one game in existence that everyone loves, of course some people are going to dislike UC4. If I had to guess at two I would say probably Tom Chick and Pikmaniac.

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#14 d_parker
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Who cares what the Washington Post or any of its flunkies have to say about anything, let alone video games.

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#15  Edited By BigCat2K20
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@BH14 said:

If this wasn't a troll article, I don't know what is. Even if you aren't an Uncharted fan, there is no way that anybody would give the game a 4 out of 10. This phony reviewer was even allowed to post his CRITIC review on metacritic. He said Uncharted series should have ended after part 1. If you haven't played Uncharted 4, don't read his article because he even says some spoilers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/05/12/uncharted-4-a-thiefs-end-review-this-four-part-series-should-have-ended-after-part-one/

I read the article twice & respectfully disagree with him. For some fans doing an stupid petition to get the article/review score remove off of Metacritic (let alone trying to silence the game reviewer) is crazy. Do I think "Uncharted 4: A Thief's End" deserved an 4 out of 10? Nah. But, the game isn't an perfect 10 like most Sony/PS4/Uncharted fans make it out to be.

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#16  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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I'm in the "who cares" camp:

1) Wa Po is not a source I would ever go to for video game reviews, and I don't know anyone who does,

2) I've never seen the mythical "purely objective" game review anywhere ever - taste is ALWAYS a factor, even when it comes to "objective" things like platforming design (because, really some people enjoy and others hate the UC platforming segments. They aren't "objectively" anything, as just one example of part of the game someone might pick at),

3) Metacritic is a completely flawed, number-obsessed pile of poo - people should individually read reviews they trust and evaluate the fit of the game to their personal tastes from that instead of looking at a bunch of random numbers as the be-all-end-all, and

4) even if you love Metacritic, this outlier score isn't putting a dent in UC sales, public perception, or - frankly - even its avg score (you'd need a lot of 4s to pull the game out of "great" territory)

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#17 Macutchi
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it's what is known as click bait

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#18  Edited By raugutcon
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Washington Post "reviewer" gave Uncharted 4 a ridiculous 4 out of 10.

It made you cry or something like that ?

Who the hell cares. You take too much care of another people´s opinion

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#19  Edited By BH14
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@raugutcon: Why do you have a problem that I can't criticize a review? Get a life... 3,550 posts since September 2014. Go outside and get some air.

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#20 raugutcon
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@BH14 said:

@raugutcon: Why do you have a problem that I can't criticize a review? Get a life... 3,550 posts since September 2014. Go outside and get some air.

Bite me.

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#21 KHAndAnime
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Being a resident of Washington, you can pretty much disregard any publication that features "Washington" in their title.

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#22  Edited By Fairmonkey
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Owned by microsoft

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#23 speedfog
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I give it a 5, it's not all about the graphics and story you know... And btw opinion opinion

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#24 ruthaford_jive
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Well... it's the Washington Post... I don't put much stock in their particular brand of bias.

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#25 Macutchi
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@speedfog said:

I give it a 5, it's not all about the graphics and story you know... And btw opinion opinion

yeah but you're a rabid anti-sony microsoft fanboy so your opinion on anything sony related is taken about as seriously as that message that pops up on windows asking if you want to make internet explorer your default browser

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#26 BH14
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@Macutchi:

He meant a 5 out of 5. He is using GamePro magazine scoring system. Graphics= 5, Sound= 5, Control= 5, Fun Factor= 5

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#27 Nirogol
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Gamespot's "reviewer" gave Uncharted 4 a ridiculous 10 out of 10...so what?

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#28 rosinmonkekyx17
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Lel

Maybe he's a butthurt Xbox fanboy

Still, numbers don't matter. Let them try to ruin Uncharted 4's score, not going to change much

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#29  Edited By BH14
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@nirogol: I just think it is funny when you said how ridiculous GameSpot reviewer gave Uncharted 4 a 10 when this game has like a 9.3 or 9.4 metascore. This is coming from you who gave killzone: shadow fall a 10 out of 10. Bloodborne 10. Call of duty black ops 3 a 10 and call of duty: advanced warfare a 9?! Doom got a 9 from you.

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#30  Edited By Nirogol
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@BH14 said:

@nirogol: I just think it is funny when you said how ridiculous GameSpot reviewer gave Uncharted 4 a 10 when this game has like a 9.3 or 9.4 metascore. This is coming from you who gave killzone: shadow fall a 10 out of 10. Bloodborne 10. Call of duty black ops 3 a 10 and call of duty: advanced warfare a 9?! Doom got a 9 from you.

Oh so checked my profile to see my scores? you are a real jerk lol, Killzone is a crap, Bloodborne is indeed 10\10 for me, call of duty both is 7...8 max, and DOOM is 9 maybe 10 yes...but for you my original ratings are the truth, if you dont like it pass this topic, Uncharted 4 is a good game but still a 10\10 is a ridiculous, 8.5\10 max for me.

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#31  Edited By BH14
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@nirogol:

Why are you changing your scores? You loved Killzone: Shadow Fall so much that you gave it a 10 out of 10 but now you say it is crap. That makes no sense at all. You gave black ops 3 a 10 out of 10?! Advanced Warfare got a 9 FROM YOU! You need to stand by your laughable review scores but now you want to change all your reviews because you see how ridiculously overrated your scores are.

With the way you score games, you are gonna give call of duty Infinite a 13 out of 10.

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@BH14 said:

@nirogol:

Why are you changing your scores? You loved Killzone: Shadow Fall so much that you gave it a 10 out of 10 but now you say it is crap. That makes no sense at all. You gave black ops 3 a 10 out of 10?! Advanced Warfare got a 9 FROM YOU! You need to stand by your laughable review scores but now you want to change all your reviews because you see how ridiculously overrated your scores are.

With the way you score games, you are gonna give call of duty Infinite a 13 out of 10.

Yeah yeah move forward pal...you think you are the son of nathan drake.