Well, so much for LBP having replay value

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#1 signore
Member since 2007 • 2122 Posts

I reallly hope this isnt true.

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LBP's much hailed replay value and potential has just taken a massive blow. This is just dumb, people arent making profit off of the levels, could they actually face lawsuits? A lot of people, myself included, wanted to recreate other levels in other games or movies... and now thats done. even worse, your levels are terminated without warning. So people who spent hours, will have their levels removed, thats just lame.

As much as i loved the single player, and this game overall (even if the amount of story mode levels was dreadfully low)... this is a disaster as far as the future of this game goes. We are gamers, not game developers,, almost 75% of the levels ive seen have been reproductions.


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#2 kgb1234
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I was playing mario, castlevania, ghostbusters and metroid levels last night so if this new policy is true, it hasn't been implemented yet. Any idea when it might be if its true?
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#3 Airek49
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Why are people recreating levels from previous games in the first place? The game is about using your imagination and coming up with your own ideas... not copying something that was done 10 years ago in a Mario game.

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#4 king23_
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I wondered if this would happen eventually. *sigh* There goes everything that made LittleBigPlanet good.
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#5 Dariency
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I notice many of the music levels have been removed, which is a shame because they were cool.
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#6 andrewt1187
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IMO, the music levels are lame. The best levels I've played so far are the purely original levels. Azure Palace, World of Colour, Mad Mansion, etc.
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#7 Shawtymann
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IMO, the music levels are lame. The best levels I've played so far are the purely original levels. Azure Palace, World of Colour, Mad Mansion, etc.andrewt1187

true

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#8 d_ano
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so once this is in place all we will have left to play are. trophies!! 7trophies in 1!!! super trophies!!! and little big trophies!! since thats all that people make these days
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#9 Robert-Sapolski
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This sucks, I hate that they have to do this with LBP and Guitar Hero.
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#10 Meta-Gnostic
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On the bright side now we will see more original levels that are fun to play, instead of levels we played 1-25 years ago.
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#11 aflakian
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IMO, after playing this game, the best and most fun levels were those that were (as far as I knew) completely original.
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#12 sportwarrior
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This is unfortunate and indeed a headache, but I can't imagine why people are allowing themselves to get so disgusted that they're claiming "LBP is no longer fun." Try creating something original. It's quite a bit more gratifying to see an original work hearted by the community than one modeled after someone else's IP.
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#13 Meta-Gnostic
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This is unfortunate and indeed a headache, but I can't imagine why people are allowing themselves to get so disgusted that they're claiming "LBP is no longer fun." Try creating something original. It's quite a bit more gratifying to see an original work hearted by the community than one modeled after someone else's IP.sportwarrior

So true.

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#14 pstripl3
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The SAW level is the best. As in SAW the movie.
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#15 Zidaneski
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Well there goes all my Avatar recreation levels. I wish we had some prinited rules about what we can and cannot make. If I take a picture of a random toy and stick it in a level is that gonna get taken down? If I quote from the Bible is that gonna get taken down?

What about the Shadow of the Colossus level? Guess that team needs to be disqualified now.

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#16 Nike_Air
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IMO, the music levels are lame. The best levels I've played so far are the purely original levels. Azure Palace, World of Colour, Mad Mansion, etc.andrewt1187
I agree 100%

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#17 tidyspidey
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Sounds like quite a blow if it's true.... it may encourage some great original thinking though.

I really hope things don't snowball too out of control with them randomly amending/removing levels though. One of the biggest kicks in the teeth I've ever had in my gaming years was a random reset of credits on Forza 2 for the 360 and I ended up selling the game.

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#18 aflakian
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[QUOTE="andrewt1187"]IMO, the music levels are lame. The best levels I've played so far are the purely original levels. Azure Palace, World of Colour, Mad Mansion, etc.Nike_Air



I agree 100%



Yep, World of Colour was brilliant.
One of my favorites.

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#19 bwrector
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Looks like Sony is going to try something a little different: http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/11/10/sony-promises-better-moderation-system-for-lbp/
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#20 Bread_or_Decide
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Gamers need to get their own ideas. "OH MY GOD A LEVEL BASED ON A MOVIE, GAME, OR MUSIC." Yeah. Boring.
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#21 Puscifer_No1
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What's your point?

I mean seriously, you think people are that naive that they didn't realise as soon as a mod see's something that is copyright they're going to delete it without warning?

People who do are blatantly ignoring the fact that they are breaking copyright material and are whining about it when they're level is being deleted without notice or warning. And it serves them right, the whole point behind the user generated levels is to be CREATIVE not to rip off another game. It sickens me to think people could just come up with some stupid idea "yeah this would be cool if I use (insert game title here)'s ideas and ignore the fact I'm infringing on copyright laws"

Get a clue people, moderators want you to play user created levels, but they also want to be able to do it without the suits coming in and having to explain why people are ripping off their games.

I you can't be creative enough to come up with your own ideas for your own levels, then you either need to go back to the drawing board start from scratch and play around with the tutorials etc., or just go trade the game

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#22 -Origin-
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Why are people recreating levels from previous games in the first place? The game is about using your imagination and coming up with your own ideas... not copying something that was done 10 years ago in a Mario game.

Airek49

I fullheartedly concur.

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#23 Mau-Justice
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I have a lot of respect for old school throwbacks, even if it's just a small bit here and there. So you can defend it all you want saying the original levels are the best, but this is a big blow for what was promised with LBP.

The sky isn't the limit anymore. Now they only want us to make original levels for them to sell. I'm pretty annoyed, might just go trade mine back in. It's such a short game, for them to cut into the level creators even more is a big blow. If I had known this I would have never spent the 60$ on it.

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#24 CrazyFanboy
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yea just let us make whatever we want
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#25 clsnbrdr616
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I haven't picked up LBP yet, but are all the levels you create automatically posted online or are your levels stored only on your PS3 and then you have to submit them? I guess what I'm getting at is, if I want to use some copyrighted content in a level just for my friends to play ONLY ON MY PS3 does the level stay on my PS3 or does Sony have access to any of the user created levels. I would never submit levels with copyrighted stuff for online use, but it would be fun between my local friends.
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#26 signore
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im starting to regret buying this game, over renting it.

Im very selective in what games i buy, and replay value is always essential. Unfortunately the story mode was dreadfully short (seriously, this game has been in production FOREVER,, and that was all MM could make?) and the user created levels so far arent that great, or anywhere near the quality of story ones.

The ironic part about this is that this games sucess and longevity solely depends on the user created material,, and now theyre limiting what we can do, and so far the sales have been very disappointing for such a big game.

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#27 Rush2k
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Why is everybody so scared and/or angry because of this article? Copyright? Do you know what copyright is? Recreating a level in Little Big Planet based on a movie or whatever, doesn't infring copyright terms. Don't believe me? Believe the government?

Copyright, a form of intellectual property law, protects original works of authorship including literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, such as poetry, novels, movies, songs, computer software, and architecture. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed.

Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something. You may express your ideas in writing or drawings and claim copyright in your description, but be aware that copyright will not protect the idea itself as revealed in your written or artistic work.

So, as long as you don't use screenshots from a movie, or the soundtrack, or movie parts, you can do whatever you want. The idea isn't protected. You probably won't re-create the story (because you can't), but a level that is based on something.

Even if I'm wrong, because I forgot something (derivative work anyone? but I'm pretty sure that recreating something in LBP isn't part of this), it is pretty far from likely that a company will ask the guys behind LBP to stop their players from designing fan art. The movie industry p*ssed off so many people, they can't afford to go on with this. It's not like you are stoping them from making money if you create a level based on a movie...actually, you are reminding other people of their movie and maybe somebody will go and buy it. Dunno...

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#28 Xepheon
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I'm glad this is being done, actually. If the longevity of the game relies on user created content, I would rather buy the game knowing that there's a wealth of original levels waiting for me than being forced to sift through "I copied someone else's ideas--look what I can do!" levels.

"If you're gonna force me to be creative, then screw this game."

For people who had dreams of their own worlds, stories, characters and level designs being implemented into a game, LBP is still a dream come true. I can understand the disappointment with having your work deleted entirely, but the situation also seems to say that many of the players today have no appreciation for a major creative outlet like LBP.

It's a great game, but not unforseen that this would happen. It's like giving everyone a guitar--how many of them are going to sit around trying to play Led Zeppelin? Come on people, you can use your imagination! LBP is a good thing. I'm definitely getting it now.