What exactly is the deal with The Orange Box?

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#1 Machine758
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What I mean is, why did Valve not simply port it themselves rather than handing it to EA?I mean, thePS3 controller has exactly the same amount of buttons as the 360, It should be a straightforward job. They did the same with Half-Life 1 for PS2, giving it to Gearbox Software and Sierra, and they failed to bother at all with HL2, releasing it on Xbox and PC only. So why did Valve not do it themselves?
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#2 ian_fisher
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I think it mostly boils down to Valve's head guy Gabe Newell not liking the PS3 structure. He's openly dissed the console and has talked about how "its hard to develop" on the PS3. Valve passing on the dev duties to another studio kind of in a way shows that they don't respect their IP that much since if they did they would've developed the PS3 version themselves to insure that the product is the best it could so the HL series could reach a new audience on the PS3.
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#3 babystapler
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Valve is probably working on Epsisode 3, which will make a lot more money than the PS3 ports in The Orange Box.
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#4 marshall_121
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Short answer. When you have built up a sucessful culture it becomes easier to use your influence to get things your way than it is to knuckle-down and innovate. Material reward is no longer linked to hard work. Once upon a time, companies like EA or Valve would bend over backwards to do what needed to be done. Now it's all too much bother for them. Bring on the start-up developers, I say. Show them what good old-fashioned American initiative looks like.

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#5 Elite-Realist
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I just can't believe it though they say its hard to developed for and yet they wouldn't bother trying. Why has this world turn into seriously? They are giving people ammunition to insult the ps3 some more. This kinda stuff really thicks me off.
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#6 rodd76dog
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the truth is this. If you had to spend 100.00 on making a game only due to hardware and programming and had to sell it for .05 cents a game and still after completing the game it still was only ok. And other console only cost 30.00 to make and sell for .05 cent a game also putting everything you wanted in the game and more why care about the other console. That is the orange box biggest concern.
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#7 jimgame
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There are a few prevailing theories out there, here are mine:

Newell is just shortsighted; he's completely written off the PS3 (openly burning all bridges with Sony in the process) and thinks he will only make a substantial profit on 360 (he can't be bothered with taking a smaller profit to grow the loyalty and trust of the user base for PS3), so no future work on it with his team.

Newell is an ex Microsoft hack. He's taken a nice payoff from his "buddies" at MS to neglect any real work on the PS3 and possibly to openly degrade the PS3 and all their future efforts. MS has been known to payoff it's partners; it payed off Paramount $150 mil (I believe) for a limited time period of exclusivity.

He genuinely doesn't have the resources in his team to learn to program on the PS3. The PC is much closer in architecture to the 360. Porting to the 360 from the PC is presumably much less painful then porting from the PC to the PS3. Instead of fessing up to this inadequacy, his "flight or fight" instincts kick in and he rants about how the PS3 sucks etc, etc, insert foot in mouth.

In any case you can pretty much count on the fact that any Valve product for PS3 from this point forward will suck hard.

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#8 Dilan120
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Valve hates playstation 3 so they dont care about the port
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#9 digitalgidget
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MS paid off Paramount? For what exactly?
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#10 shawtty024
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MS paid off Paramount? For what exactly?digitalgidget

There was a bit of misinformation in that post. Toshiba (owns HD-DVD) signed an exclusivity deal with Paramount so that their movies would only appear on the HD-DVD format. Its like how Sony signed a deal with Blockbuster so that they will only carry Blu-ray. Or like how EA signed a deal with the NFL so that only they could develop NFL video games. Also, that deal was with Toshiba, not Microsoft, although MS benefits because they have also partnered with Toshiba.

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/others/0,39037627,62031220,00.htm

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#11 jimgame
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It was Paramount and Dreamworks for HD-DVD exclusivity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/technology/21disney.html?fta=y

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#12 xYamatox
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Blu-Ray >> HD-DVD any day of the week.
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#13 truenextgen
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My brother says this Gabe guy. Has this thing that he feels all tech should never change. Which if your not a idiot, you know that not possible. And he has like Bi Polar disorder towards new tech. He likes it, but cant deal with it, so I guess hes a mental case. So thus he hates the PS3, and wont work with it.