What is it that takes Square Enix so long to make games?

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#1 Furi-Kun
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I'm actually a really big Square Enix fan, especially for the Final Fantasy series. I was wondering if anyone knows what takes them so long to make a game. I mean I'm not complaining, I've always been patient with them. I just figured that one of the most famous publishers would be able to make games faster?

What do you guys think?

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The fact that all of their games are very high quality and amazing in their own ways. It takes time to polish them up and make them as well as Square Enix does.
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#3 adizorz
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i remember reading an article that said that even square enixthemselves thinks that their games take too long to make. The top brass, not the actual people who work on the games.

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#4 Flame_Blade88
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The fact that all of their games are very high quality and amazing in their own ways. It takes time to polish them up and make them as well as Square Enix does. BladeOfHeaven
Plus localization takes FOREVER.
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Considering they haven't released a single game on the PS3 yet, I'm not sure what Square is up to.
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#6 Furi-Kun
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Considering they haven't released a single game on the PS3 yet, I'm not sure what Square is up to.siLVURcross

Were almost half way through the year. I would at least think they would release a game before summer, but it see,s that won't happen.

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#7 burstlimit514
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It takes htem awhile to because they like to polish the game up and getting it to the us takes a while.

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#8 samuraiguns
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I would like to follow the bandwagon and say "the love to polish and the localization BS" but i think its one part marketing, one part laziness and one part trying to figure out what in the hell to do with the DVD's.

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#9 AbyssD
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Its cuz Squre Enix is Fu..ing lazy Bast..ds :evil: i remember hove manny games they make for PS2 and now they can't make even one singlegame for PS3 exept FFXIII that taking for ever :) oh well anyway they are the one that lose munny :)

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#10 savetehhaloz
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Don't overestimate gaming companies.. quality games do take time to make... just forget about Duke Nukem Forever. :)
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#11 adizorz
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yeah i am not comlpaining, i mean bethesda took their times to polish their games i probably would have bought them, i mean doyou want a final fantasy game to be as buggy as a oblivion of fallout 3.

I really like polish in my games, bugs just break the immersion imo.

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#12 guynamedyeah
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well, they make art, they push standards, they strive for perfection. the higher ups are probably strict as all hell, they ARE japanese. lol

it is annoying we don't have any games yet. but whatever. once they start they'll start pumping them out again, they have a lot of projects coming. we might have nothing now, but once we have one, we have plenty...in more ways then one.

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#13 savetehhaloz
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yeah i am not comlpaining, i mean bethesda took their times to polish their games i probably would have bought them, i mean doyou want a final fantasy game to be as buggy as a oblivion of fallout 3.

I really like polish in my games, bugs just break the immersion imo.

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Oblivion and Fallout 3 were awesome. Yes there were bugs.. but still.. they kicked butt
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#14 Furi-Kun
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well, they make art, they push standards, they strive for perfection. the higher ups are probably strict as all hell, they ARE japanese. lol

it is annoying we don't have any games yet. but whatever. once they start they'll start pumping them out again, they have a lot of projects coming. we might have nothing now, but once we have one, we have plenty...in more ways then one.

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I agree, Square Enix games are beautiful. Mostly with the cinematic cut-scenes.

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#15 tomatoproject
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A decent game takes a while to make. better to have them taking their time other than giving us some half ass game.

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#16 angusclone2
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You have to take the long route to make awesomeness.
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#17 Sepewrath
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You can make a high quality game without taking an enternity in development, so I have to agree with the top brass on that one. Several excellent games come out that don't take 7 years to develop, all of their projects must really be costly.
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#18 Mcortijo01
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Because they are all about making quality games. I have no problem waiting for a SquareEnix games.

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#19 BoxingTheStars
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like everyone else said they put as much work into their games and make them as good of quality as they can make them so they dont disopoint their fans :)

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#20 CosmoKing7717
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(thinks of how fast FF7-9 were made and sighs)
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#21 octobermagic
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[QUOTE="adizorz"]

yeah i am not comlpaining, i mean bethesda took their times to polish their games i probably would have bought them, i mean doyou want a final fantasy game to be as buggy as a oblivion of fallout 3.

I really like polish in my games, bugs just break the immersion imo.

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Oblivion and Fallout 3 were awesome. Yes there were bugs.. but still.. they kicked butt

But the amount of bugs in those games were really disgusting. I've had to start both those games over from scratch just because of some stupid glitch. All which could have been avoided if bethesda had taken alittle more time to work out the kinks in their games. On the other hand I feel what most people are saying. For heavens sake its been over 3 years already for the PS3 and square can't release one game. What are they waiting for the end of the systems life span?
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#22 Furi-Kun
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(thinks of how fast FF7-9 were made and sighs)CosmoKing7717

Haha, I know what you mean. Those were the days!8)

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#23 Flame_Blade88
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[QUOTE="CosmoKing7717"](thinks of how fast FF7-9 were made and sighs)Furi-Kun

Haha, I know what you mean. Those were the days!8)

Yeah I mean Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, and X were released two years apart from each other for crying out loud :lol:

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#24 elemental_drago
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This was supposed to be a quote from the second post and I can't quite tell if it carried over or not. So if it didn't, reference that (also, sorry, just can't tell. I clicked quote, but I'm not seeing it now)

Anyways.....I agree that quality takes time. There is a certain point where a company simply needs to release a game having put so much money into it at the forefront (eg: lost profits, pure and simple). All that time they put into producing it, from paying dev's to play testing, etc. is nothing but lost profit until they have something to put out on the market. It's a big gamble. Also, with a bit of a programming background and currently working as an IT Professional, I know I personally don't want to put something out there until I know it's perfect. After all, it has my name on it and if it comes out looking like crap, it's crap with my name on it. Not exactly an ego boost there. On the other hand, marketing wants to put it out there ASAP (they want all that money they put in back, after all) bugs aside. The true balancing act comes between not releasing something too soon (laden with bugs) and not releasing something too late (too much money spent in development to make back in sales). Square errors on the side of perfection. They release great, polished games but take their darn sweet time releasing them. It's possible they need to reign in their development team.

Also, I think that maybe, sometimes, they need to pull back the reigns on their sales team. With too much time passing between their news releases, it like sales wants to make sure the public remembers them, and shoots off their mouth a little early. When was the last time a person from the development team made such an announcement, after all. They don't, do they? No, because they would love to have 'till 2020 to perfect their baby. On the other hand, sales sees something and says to themselves "New FF?! I'm talking about that!" Then the public gets all up in a huff, wetting themselves over the announcement, and soon enough, we get anxious. Where is this next great thing we were promised? Why isn't it out yet? D**n you square, I want this now and I'm tired of waiting! etc.

Again, there's a balancing act here, and it's one that few devs have really nailed. Sales reps need to hold back until a real, viable release date is within reach (no more it will be released "when it's done" bs! You here me devs! NO MORE!!!!) but at the same time, some companies need to crack the whip and say, it's good enough and we can patch the tiny things later on (tiny being the, fell through the world in one specific spot, effecting 2% of the gamers who bought this)

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#25 taplok
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they've been busy making games for others...

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#26 Flame_Blade88
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they've been busy making games for others...

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That's very true too come to think of it. I can think of a lot of games that they released while FFXIII was still in the works.
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#27 Furi-Kun
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[QUOTE="taplok"]

they've been busy making games for others...

Flame_Blade88

That's very true too come to think of it. I can think of a lot of games that they released while FFXIII was still in the works.

Wasn't The Last Remnant one of them?

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#28 Flame_Blade88
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[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"][QUOTE="taplok"]

they've been busy making games for others...

Furi-Kun

That's very true too come to think of it. I can think of a lot of games that they released while FFXIII was still in the works.

Wasn't The Last Remnant one of them?

Yuuuup lol All that game showed was that they didn't know how to use the Unreal engine lol

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#29 Furi-Kun
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[QUOTE="Furi-Kun"]

[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"] That's very true too come to think of it. I can think of a lot of games that they released while FFXIII was still in the works. Flame_Blade88

Wasn't The Last Remnant one of them?

Yuuuup lol All that game showed was that they didn't know how to use the Unreal engine lol

Hahahaha, I thought I was the only one. I was like "What kind of approach were they going for, I don't think it's working." It sold pretty well, so I guess it couldn't have been too bad to others.

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#30 Flame_Blade88
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[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

[QUOTE="Furi-Kun"]

Wasn't The Last Remnant one of them?

Furi-Kun

Yuuuup lol All that game showed was that they didn't know how to use the Unreal engine lol

Hahahaha, I thought I was the only one. I was like "What kind of approach were they going for, I don't think it's working." It sold pretty well, so I guess it couldn't have been too bad to others.

I just like to think of that game as a secret way to fund the FFXIII project from it's sales lol
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#31 Furi-Kun
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[QUOTE="Furi-Kun"]

[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

Yuuuup lol All that game showed was that they didn't know how to use the Unreal engine lol

Flame_Blade88

Hahahaha, I thought I was the only one. I was like "What kind of approach were they going for, I don't think it's working." It sold pretty well, so I guess it couldn't have been too bad to others.

I just like to think of that game as a secret way to fund the FFXIII project from it's sales lol

Only one way to find out if it actually worked...:P

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#32 BPoole96
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The phrase quality is greater than quantity comes to mind. I'd rather get a great game every few years rather than an okay game every year.

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#33 Takuzi
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They produce high quiality games, which takes time to design and polish.

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Considering they haven't released a single game on the PS3 yet, I'm not sure what Square is up to.siLVURcross
Publishing games for the other console thats what. ;) Seriously. It got three games from them in one year.
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#35 Nephilim83
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They produce high quiality games, which takes time to design and polish.

Takuzi
Really? Ever played the Last Remnant? lol Na, its ok I guess. Its much better than those silly Tri-Ace games. :D ( don't hit me! Don't!)
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#36 Warriorboy1990
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SquareSoft > SquareEnix

The only SquareSnix game I ever liked was Kingdom Hearts, but I wish they were still SqaureSoft.

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#37 jay_rock_
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Yeah I think I know what you mean lol we found out aboutFinal Fantasy XIII and versus XIII and that they is work on itin 2005,and ether one of them still ain't out yet. I know they are a great company and they have a great track record of but man I just turn 18 in 05 and I will be 22 in 09and ether one of those game ain't out yet man I guess we have to wait lol what else can we do hmmmmm lol....

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#38 david_lck
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The only reason it's taking them so long to get their games out is because they keep publishing remakes. They need to stop milking past games and deliver games that fans actually want to play!

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The only reason it's taking them so long to get their games out is because they keep publishing remakes. They need to stop milking past games and deliver games that fans actually want to play!

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Unless of course one of those remakes is..... Final Fantasy VII
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#40 Braddymac
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well no one knows anything bout ff13 yet, how many hours it plays for n stuff, so maybe its gonna behuge, also how badly does everyone want this game now that they've had to wait years for it?? maybe its just strategy to make money

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#41 Furi-Kun
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Considering they haven't released a single game on the PS3 yet, I'm not sure what Square is up to.Nephilim83
Publishing games for the other console thats what. ;) Seriously. It got three games from them in one year.

I'm sure Sony will get love too.:(

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#42 CraigyM83
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Simple, they take time making there game's properly rather than churning out identikit shooters on an annual basis. Good games take time.
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#43 Nephilim83
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[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Considering they haven't released a single game on the PS3 yet, I'm not sure what Square is up to.Furi-Kun

Publishing games for the other console thats what. ;) Seriously. It got three games from them in one year.

I'm sure Sony will get love too.:(

I'm sure they will, too, but I hope its soon. Its really crazy that its taken so long.
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#44 Furi-Kun
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[QUOTE="Furi-Kun"]

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"] Publishing games for the other console thats what. ;) Seriously. It got three games from them in one year.Nephilim83

I'm sure Sony will get love too.:(

I'm sure they will, too, but I hope its soon. Its really crazy that its taken so long.

Square Enix must have something for us at E3! They must!

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#45 Nephilim83
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[QUOTE="Furi-Kun"]

[QUOTE="Nephilim83"][QUOTE="Furi-Kun"]

I'm sure Sony will get love too.:(

I'm sure they will, too, but I hope its soon. Its really crazy that its taken so long.

Square Enix must have something for us at E3! They must!

Hope so! *crosses fingers*
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#46 deactivated-58319077a6477
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Yes it they do take a long time to make a game even SE president admited they take to much time to make games but none the less the quality of their games is good but not with every game.
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#47 emoticedmar
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Because it takes time to turn their title into english version, and Microsoft also did bought FFXIII and that added more long time >.
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#48 majestix1988
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maybe they dont like(graphics error lags or somethin) ....some turn-down fans or its play...

play safe"thats the word"

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#49 Furi-Kun
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It would seem that they have done it again. I'm not surprised, but still excited!

http://kotaku.com/5261955/square-enix-on-final-fantasy-xiii-release-lord-knows-thats-not-true