whats with the religious double standard in LBP???

so the game had to be recalled because there was a level with words from the Qu'Ran... yet a level with the statue of the virgin mary in the background is okay? Im a (non practicising) catholic, and not really offended by it, but i think this is way more inappropriate then some song lyrics

Im talking about the challenge level where you need to avoid the top/bottom

so the game had to be recalled because there was a level with words from the Qu'Ran... yet a level with the statue of the virgin mary in the background is okay? Im a (non practicising) catholic, and not really offended by it, but i think this is way more inappropriate then some song lyrics

Im talking about the challenge level where you need to avoid the top/bottom

signore

I don't really agree with you and here's why...

I don't know any catholics who based on principle alone believe that it is wrong or offensive to reproduce the image of the Virgin Mary. The argument could be made that it's innapropriate in a game - however that is symantics - the issue for the Muslim community has nothing to do with it being used in a game. The issue for the Muslim community is that is was reproduced in music AT ALL - which is expressly prohibited by their beliefs.

So it's not really the same thing. If Catholism expressly prohibited any reproduction of an image of the Virgin Mary and then it was done anyway - that would be offensive to Catholics as it would be prohibited. But that's not the case - you can go to any Catholic church and see images or reproductions of her.

It's not the same in a Mosque because that goes entirely against what is believed to be holy and sacred.

This is one area where the two don't match up - it's a fundamental difference in what is considered holy and sacred.

I don't really agree with you and here's why...

I don't know any catholics who based on principle alone believe that it is wrong or offensive to reproduce the image of the Virgin Mary. The argument could be made that it's innapropriate in a game - however that is symantics - the issue for the Muslim community has nothing to do with it being used in a game. The issue for the Muslim community is that is was reproduced in music AT ALL - which is expressly prohibited by their beliefs.

So it's not really the same thing. If Catholism expressly prohibited any reproduction of an imag of the Virgin Mary and then it was done anyway - that would be offensive to Catholics as it would be prohibited. But that's not the case - you can go to any Catholic church and see images or reproductions of her.

It's not the same in a Mosque because that goes entirely against what is believed to be holy and sacred.

This is one area where the two don't match up - it's a fundamental difference in what is considered holy and sacred.

DataDream

I don't really agree with you and here's why...

I don't know any catholics who based on principle alone believe that it is wrong or offensive to reproduce the image of the Virgin Mary. The argument could be made that it's innapropriate in a game - however that is symantics - the issue for the Muslim community has nothing to do with it being used in a game. The issue for the Muslim community is that is was reproduced in music AT ALL - which is expressly prohibited by their beliefs.

So it's not really the same thing. If Catholism expressly prohibited any reproduction of an image of the Virgin Mary and then it was done anyway - that would be offensive to Catholics as it would be prohibited. But that's not the case - you can go to any Catholic church and see images or reproductions of her.

It's not the same in a Mosque because that goes entirely against what is believed to be holy and sacred.

This is one area where the two don't match up - it's a fundamental difference in what is considered holy and sacred.

DataDream

[QUOTE="DataDream"]

I don't really agree with you and here's why...

I don't know any catholics who based on principle alone believe that it is wrong or offensive to reproduce the image of the Virgin Mary. The argument could be made that it's innapropriate in a game - however that is symantics - the issue for the Muslim community has nothing to do with it being used in a game. The issue for the Muslim community is that is was reproduced in music AT ALL - which is expressly prohibited by their beliefs.

So it's not really the same thing. If Catholism expressly prohibited any reproduction of an imag of the Virgin Mary and then it was done anyway - that would be offensive to Catholics as it would be prohibited. But that's not the case - you can go to any Catholic church and see images or reproductions of her.

It's not the same in a Mosque because that goes entirely against what is believed to be holy and sacred.

This is one area where the two don't match up - it's a fundamental difference in what is considered holy and sacred.

Trx07

Yes and Hitler claimed to be a Christian before commiting the worlds greatest act of genocide - not everyone does what their beliefs teach them to do.

[QUOTE="Trx07"][QUOTE="DataDream"]

I don't really agree with you and here's why...

I don't know any catholics who based on principle alone believe that it is wrong or offensive to reproduce the image of the Virgin Mary. The argument could be made that it's innapropriate in a game - however that is symantics - the issue for the Muslim community has nothing to do with it being used in a game. The issue for the Muslim community is that is was reproduced in music AT ALL - which is expressly prohibited by their beliefs.

So it's not really the same thing. If Catholism expressly prohibited any reproduction of an imag of the Virgin Mary and then it was done anyway - that would be offensive to Catholics as it would be prohibited. But that's not the case - you can go to any Catholic church and see images or reproductions of her.

It's not the same in a Mosque because that goes entirely against what is believed to be holy and sacred.

This is one area where the two don't match up - it's a fundamental difference in what is considered holy and sacred.

DataDream

Yes and Hitler claimed to be a Christian before commiting the worlds greatest act of genocide - not everyone does what their beliefs teach them to do.

yeah I believe it was rediculous but oh well, Whatever bothers those of other religions... so much for freedom of speech, I just hope it doesn't come down to that in the States.... I don't get why it seems our amendments and rights can be so distorted and lost... sigh... but I know it was for them to release the game in other countries that don't have the same morals and freedoms so

Can't say I really blame them or anything... just sux

[QUOTE="Trx07"][QUOTE="DataDream"]

I don't really agree with you and here's why...

I don't know any catholics who based on principle alone believe that it is wrong or offensive to reproduce the image of the Virgin Mary. The argument could be made that it's innapropriate in a game - however that is symantics - the issue for the Muslim community has nothing to do with it being used in a game. The issue for the Muslim community is that is was reproduced in music AT ALL - which is expressly prohibited by their beliefs.

So it's not really the same thing. If Catholism expressly prohibited any reproduction of an imag of the Virgin Mary and then it was done anyway - that would be offensive to Catholics as it would be prohibited. But that's not the case - you can go to any Catholic church and see images or reproductions of her.

It's not the same in a Mosque because that goes entirely against what is believed to be holy and sacred.

This is one area where the two don't match up - it's a fundamental difference in what is considered holy and sacred.

DataDream

Yes and Hitler claimed to be a Christian before commiting the worlds greatest act of genocide - not everyone does what their beliefs teach them to do.

[QUOTE="DataDream"][QUOTE="Trx07"][QUOTE="DataDream"]

I don't really agree with you and here's why...

I don't know any catholics who based on principle alone believe that it is wrong or offensive to reproduce the image of the Virgin Mary. The argument could be made that it's innapropriate in a game - however that is symantics - the issue for the Muslim community has nothing to do with it being used in a game. The issue for the Muslim community is that is was reproduced in music AT ALL - which is expressly prohibited by their beliefs.

So it's not really the same thing. If Catholism expressly prohibited any reproduction of an imag of the Virgin Mary and then it was done anyway - that would be offensive to Catholics as it would be prohibited. But that's not the case - you can go to any Catholic church and see images or reproductions of her.

It's not the same in a Mosque because that goes entirely against what is believed to be holy and sacred.

This is one area where the two don't match up - it's a fundamental difference in what is considered holy and sacred.

Trx07

Yes and Hitler claimed to be a Christian before commiting the worlds greatest act of genocide - not everyone does what their beliefs teach them to do.

Ok let me give you an example - though this will be extreme - it may help you understand what I am trying to say.

It would be like having the image of Jesus holding a pitchfork with horns coming out of his head and a tail. Or Jesus swearing. Or Jesus being married and having children in a game. Or having Jesus cast magic spells in a game. While the majority of non-Christian gamers wouldn't find this offensive at all (and probably quite humerous) - it would be very offensive to the Christian community. In fact I would be surprised if a game containing that type of content would ever even be able to be released. It would be offensive to a large group of the software developers end users and therefore even if it was released it would be boycotted and not sell as well as if they just removed that content.

That is the same as what has happened here. While maybe you don't percieve the Muslim community to be very large - especially here in the U.S. - you would be VERY mistaken in that perception. The fact is there are ALLOT of gamers who are Muslim (and all different beliefs too) - so out of respect for a large segment of their core audiance the developer chose to remove something that would have been considered very offensive to allot of gamers. Maybe not offensive to you because you're not Muslim. Just like the Jesus stuff wouldn't offend non-Christians.

But to them it is critical and a fundamental issue. So it is important to show respect and make the majority of people happy.

In fact here is something that has occurred to me - I know allot of people when this issue first came up were all up in arms and saying how stupid it was that the game got delayed.

So...

As a non-Muslim - what would you have gained by the song being left in there? Aside from getting the game a whole couple days or week earlier or whatever (which if those couple of days are that critical to you - well you may want to re-evaluate what's truly important in this life). So other than the couple days delay - what would you or anyone who is non-Muslim stand to gain by the song having been left in there?

I want to say - I am not spefically Muslim and don't associate with any specific religeon - I am all religeons and I am none of them. I only say this - because you may automatically assume I am due to my defense of their beliefs. Here is what I encourage you to do - you don't need to change your beliefs regardless of what religeon you are, but if you are curious about what someone else believes or thinks - study it for yourself before passing judgment founded on what someone else has taught you.

Those things are not neccessarily for you specifically - just general thoughts on this matter.

Keep an open mind in this life my friend - and realize with humility that we all can always learn.

PEACE!!!

Ok let me give you an example - though this will be extreme - it may help you understand what I am trying to say.

It would be like having the image of Jesus holding a pitchfork with horns coming out of his head and a tail. Or Jesus swearing. Or Jesus being married and having children in a game. Or having Jesus cast magic spells in a game. While the majority of non-Christian gamers wouldn't find this offensive at all (and probably quite humerous) - it would be very offensive to the Christian community. In fact I would be surprised if a game containing that type of content would ever even be able to be released. It would be offensive to a large group of the software developers end users and therefore even if it was released it would be boycotted and not sell as well as if they just removed that content.

That is the same as what has happened here. While maybe you don't percieve the Muslim community to be very large - especially here in the U.S. - you would be VERY mistaken in that perception. The fact is there are ALLOT of gamers who are Muslim (and all different beliefs too) - so out of respect for a large segment of their core audiance the developer chose to remove something that would have been considered very offensive to allot of gamers. Maybe not offensive to you because you're not Muslim. Just like the Jesus stuff wouldn't offend non-Christians.

But to them it is critical and a fundamental issue. So it is important to show respect and make the majority of people happy.

In fact here is something that has occurred to me - I know allot of people when this issue first came up were all up in arms and saying how stupid it was that the game got delayed.

So...

As a non-Muslim - what would you have gained by the song being left in there? Aside from getting the game a whole couple days or week earlier or whatever (which if those couple of days are that critical to you - well you may want to re-evaluate what's truly important in this life). So other than the couple days delay - what would you or anyone who is non-Muslim stand to gain by the song having been left in there?

I want to say - I am not spefically Muslim and don't associate with any specific religeon - I am all religeons and I am none of them. I only say this - because you may automatically assume I am due to my defense of their beliefs. Here is what I encourage you to do - you don't need to change your beliefs regardless of what religeon you are, but if you are curious about what someone else believes or thinks - study it for yourself before passing judgment founded on what someone else has taught you.

Those things are not neccessarily for you specifically - just general thoughts on this matter.

Keep an open mind in this life my friend - and realize with humility that we all can always learn.

PEACE!!!

Well though and said. Too bad those who stick to a single religion wouldn't see it your way though. Let's change the matter to nationality, then perhaps it's easier to understand. If the game has a lyrics saying, Fxxk America. I bet lots of gamers will be unhappy and the game would be recalled. Why do you think that is?

In Islam music is forbidden, so mixing the Quran and music together is a no no.redskins2156

music and islam is a very heavily debated topic...but really, the song was in no way insulting to open-minded muslims like me...