What's your opinion on the "young Snake" in the MGS4 trailer?

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#1 jlabadie88
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I'm guessing it's camo.
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#2 onemic
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I'm thinking camo or the fox die effect wore off during that period of time.
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#4 mr_pops238
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The game takes place over a period of 10 years?

Maybe the first couple hours your the young snake. Then a cutscene happens(10 years later type of thing). Then your the old snake.

Kojima likes to play mind games. It wont be anything crazy like evil clones or something.

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#5 Prinze
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I always felt that it was the Octo-cam as well, but I'm open to many theories since Kojima is a slick man.

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#6 alucard3545
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were do i see young snake can u give me a link i havn't seen "young snake"
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#7 onemic
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were do i see young snake can u give me a link i havn't seen "young snake"alucard3545


haven't you seen the gameplay trailer? Well here it is and in high def!
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#8 mmirza23
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I have to agree with the octo-cam theory, but I think thats too obvious for a kojima game especially Metal Gear, with all the twists and turns.
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#9 downPlayDemon
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i think he is just camoflaging.
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#10 trudefisk
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CAn anyone send me a link to the movie or some pic?.. cause i never did see the young snake o.O
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#11 mmirza23
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there is a link to the hi def movie on onemic's post.
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#12 lusitanogamer
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I'm a Metal Gear Solid fan but i don't know all the details of this saga as much as i would like. Is it possible that the old Snake we see in the videos is Big Boss and the young one is the Snake we know from MGS1 and 2? Just a thought.
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#13 alucard3545
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ok i saw the video i am more confuded then ever who was that young guy at the end don't tell me they made another snake and the old is snake is from mg, mg2,mgs1 and mgs2 right well either way its going to kick ass
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#14 Lucas666
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Old snake and new snake will meet! and they will fight to the death! :P
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#15 muradal1
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i think u play as old snake but u get frequent flashbacks of what u did

has anyone seen the document leak maybe that guy 4d has something to do with it

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#16 sinabun12si
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i think its another big boss clone.. or the camo theory.. or perhaps you used the octo camo through out the game and appeared as old snake fooling others to think you have lost your touch..but infact...BAM!! swifty punch to tha face.......think about it.. ocelot looks the same and yet he was much older than snake
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#17 _AsasN_
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I'm thinking camo or the fox die effect wore off during that period of time. onemic
It's the fact that he's a clone that causes him to age, not the Foxdie. I think it's the camo, but knowing Kojima, it could be another clone of Solid Snake or even another direct clone from BigBoss's remains.
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#18 Jackopeng
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i think its another big boss clone.. or the camo theory.. or perhaps you used the octo camo through out the game and appeared as old snake fooling others to think you have lost your touch..but infact...BAM!! swifty punch to tha face.......think about it.. ocelot looks the same and yet he was much older than snakesinabun12si
But why would snake pose old? we saw in another trailer that he some sort of spazzum and then injected some serum into himself...he must be old.
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#19 Not-A-Stalker
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Its old solid snake. Before he turns off his camo, you can see some white hair sticking out of the back. When the face changes to a younger looking snake, I'm guessing thats fake.
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#20 Javy03
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i think he is just camoflaging.downPlayDemon
Why does everyone think its camo. What would be the benefit of Camo to take away a few wrinkles. One would think him being old and less recognizable would be better then him being the spitting image of himself in MGS2.
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#21 TE_Lawrence
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There's no doubt that there's no clone and that it's all the Octo-cam's doing. In the very beginning we see how the blood on Solid's face dissapears when the camo changes. And in the end just before the camo changes to young Snake you see white hair sticking out from his hut. It's rather easy to see when Solid is using a mask because you can't see the bandana (in the beginning and end where his face creates confusion).
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#22 Jackopeng
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[QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"]There's no doubt that there's no clone and that it's all the Octo-cam's doing. In the very beginning we see how the blood on Solid's face dissapears when the camo changes. And in the end just before the camo changes to young Snake you see white hair sticking out from his hut. It's rather easy to see when Solid is using a mask because you can't see the bandana (in the beginning and end where his face creates confusion).

Whats the benefit of looking old? None. Whats the benefit of looking young when your old? None. There really isnt a point for him using a young looking snake for a camo. Everyone has looked at the other trailers so i think young snake has nothing to do with it. My Theory : That the "young snake" could possibly be big boss.
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#23 TE_Lawrence
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[QUOTE="Jackopeng"][QUOTE="TE_Lawrence"]There's no doubt that there's no clone and that it's all the Octo-cam's doing. In the very beginning we see how the blood on Solid's face dissapears when the camo changes. And in the end just before the camo changes to young Snake you see white hair sticking out from his hut. It's rather easy to see when Solid is using a mask because you can't see the bandana (in the beginning and end where his face creates confusion).

Whats the benefit of looking old? None. Whats the benefit of looking young when your old? None. There really isnt a point for him using a young looking snake for a camo. Everyone has looked at the other trailers so i think young snake has nothing to do with it. My Theory : That the "young snake" could possibly be big boss.

Ah but what's the point of replacing the radar with a video of a half naked woman? It's MGS and Kojima loves playing these small mind tricks with us. But also as demonstrated, it's perfect for face paint or playing Mission Impossible/Scooby Doo. Also there was this onstage talk about using a webcam to generate 3D characters of the players. Many believe the Octo will allow players to use their own faces.
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#24 robo426
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Myabe the game is split into two parts like MGS 2. Cause in one trailer we also see snake with the electronic eyepatch and another without it.

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#25 TE_Lawrence
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Myabe the game is split into two parts like MGS 2. Cause in one trailer we also see snake with the electronic eyepatch and another without it.

robo426

Well Solid does tend to find and lose equipment throught every game. Also I bet the player can decide which things to wear at any current time.
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#26 cyberjunky
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****New Theory****

Old Snake is Solid Snake from MGS, as it says in the Trailer...

***Spoiler*** MGS 3: Eva and Naked Snake do it in the Ending Cutscene (Not actually depicted but implied), Eva Disappears....

2009(Big Shell) - 1964(Snake Eater) = 45 years...

Young Snake coule very well be the True "Son" of Big Boss...the offspring of Eva and Big Boss...

This would be a major plot twist....
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#27 cyberjunky
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The Octo Cam Face Theory would probably have been worked on by the Relative of the guy who made the Raiden Mask in MGS3 :)

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****New Theory****

Old Snake is Solid Snake from MGS, as it says in the Trailer...

***Spoiler*** MGS 3: Eva and Naked Snake do it in the Ending Cutscene (Not actually depicted but implied), Eva Disappears....

2009(Big Shell) - 1964(Snake Eater) = 45 years...

Young Snake coule very well be the True "Son" of Big Boss...the offspring of Eva and Big Boss...

This would be a major plot twist....
cyberjunky

I also think this to be true.

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****New Theory****

Old Snake is Solid Snake from MGS, as it says in the Trailer...

***Spoiler*** MGS 3: Eva and Naked Snake do it in the Ending Cutscene (Not actually depicted but implied), Eva Disappears....

2009(Big Shell) - 1964(Snake Eater) = 45 years...

Young Snake coule very well be the True "Son" of Big Boss...the offspring of Eva and Big Boss...

This would be a major plot twist....
cyberjunky
This actually does make sense. It would be nice to see it happen, however we will not know until it unveiled.

All Hail The Great Kojima!

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One thing I really don't understand though... In the trailers, seeing solid snake apparently old implies this game take place a long time after MGS2 (Lets say... 20 years after). But in the trailers, we see Otacon has barely aged at all, if anything he looks younger. Not to mention FoxDie lasting over 20something years is kind of odd. I also want to point out this: would it really take that long (long enough so that snake would age so old) for "Liquid Ocelot" to cause another threat?

I know almost everything wants me to beleive I'm going to playing some old geezer in this game, but for some reason I'm skeptical...
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#31 trav_have
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a type of futuristic camo.
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#32 ShadowXaz
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****New Theory****

Old Snake is Solid Snake from MGS, as it says in the Trailer...

***Spoiler*** MGS 3: Eva and Naked Snake do it in the Ending Cutscene (Not actually depicted but implied), Eva Disappears....

2009(Big Shell) - 1964(Snake Eater) = 45 years...

Young Snake coule very well be the True "Son" of Big Boss...the offspring of Eva and Big Boss...

This would be a major plot twist....
cyberjunky
nope, that cant be true, Big Boss was/is infertile and for people saying that young snake is the octo camo at work, then how can he use the cigaette? im pretty sure you cant stick cigs through a mask
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#33 ShadowXaz
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One thing I really don't understand though... In the trailers, seeing solid snake apparently old implies this game take place a long time after MGS2 (Lets say... 20 years after). But in the trailers, we see Otacon has barely aged at all, if anything he looks younger. Not to mention FoxDie lasting over 20something years is kind of odd. I also want to point out this: would it really take that long (long enough so that snake would age so old) for "Liquid Ocelot" to cause another threat?

I know almost everything wants me to beleive I'm going to playing some old geezer in this game, but for some reason I'm skeptical...
Not-A-Stalker
20 years has NOT passed, the reason snake is old and everyone is still pretty much the same age is because Snake is a clone and his cells are degrading faster than normal
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I'm a Metal Gear Solid fan but i don't know all the details of this saga as much as i would like. Is it possible that the old Snake we see in the videos is Big Boss and the young one is the Snake we know from MGS1 and 2? Just a thought.lusitanogamer
Sorry to TC for going off-topic, but do you have to play the past 3 games to understand number 4? Because i dont own a Playstation (it broke)
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u definately have to play the others 1st to understand this 1, more so than any other game series in existence too
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#36 cyberjunky
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My memory is jogged. Did Snake(MGS3) say directly that he was infertile in MGS3, did he say it during that time, because the effects of Bikini Atoll may not have occured right away, and I read somewhere that the effects of Bikini Atoll surfaced around 1970: encyclopedia.wizards.pro/index.php/Big_Boss
Just keeping the Theory alive...
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#37 SolidSnake2020
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It is Kojima's way of playing with our minds.
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#38 swade
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I think it was confirmed in an interview that it's the serum that he injects in his neck from the first trailer. It'll make him young for awhile. Ppl who say it's the octo cam that really sounds stupid... Why would he need to make himself look young... There would be no point he would just stay like that.
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#39 swade
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bump
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#40 DOC105
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Maybe it's his son
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#41 cyberjunky
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But Snake wants to "erase" the gene,why have a son?

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#42 swade
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But Snake wants to "erase" the gene,why have a son?

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It's been confirmed in an interview that it has to do with serum he injects in his neck it keeps him living and probably turns him younger he probably ages more rapidly than ever...