Where are the African American/ethnic/foreign (main) characters in video games?

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#1 donmega1
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Almost every main character in a video game is a white man/woman. Ninjas and Samurais take on a Caucasian likeness. would you be less likely to play a game if the main character took on a solid ethic look to them, or was a black man/woman?
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Kratos is dark skinned if that matters =/ I think Caucasian's are the easiest to relate to in games. If you have a white protagonist, chances are no matter what colour you are you can relate to them no problem. It's harder for coloured people to relate with other coloured people. I'm not sure how to explain it lol. By the way I'm Asian =O
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I couldn't care less. As long as the gameplay was great, it doesn't matter.
Almost every main character in a video game is a white man/woman. Ninjas and Samurais take on a Caucasian likeness. would you be less likely to play a game if the main character took on a solid ethic look to them, or was a black man/woman?donmega1
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#4 sAndroid17
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Gta San Andreas!

and it wouldnt bother me

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Almost every main character in a video game is a white man/woman. Ninjas and Samurais take on a Caucasian likeness. would you be less likely to play a game if the main character took on a solid ethic look to them, or was a black man/woman?donmega1
Meh wouldn't really bother me in the least bit.
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#6 donmega1
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the games prototype and infamous raised the question. these games could have been good with a character of a different race.
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#7 polishkid99
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what about Niko Belic? he's foreign :P

Oh, And in Assassins Creed I'm pretty sure Altaïr Ibn La-Ahad is Arabic

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I'd rather a caucasian Pro/Antaganist becuase relating to a African-American is difficult.

But I like asians more.....just look at my sig....

BTW im Jamaican.......

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#9 donmega1
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lets not forget about the thousands of other games out there polishkid99. and yes hes foreign and i think it made for a great game. don't you?
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lets not forget about the thousands of other games out there polishkid99. and yes hes foreign and i think it made for a great game. don't you?donmega1
Him being foreign made me like the game a lot, i hated the rest of the gta characters you controlled in past games, but niko is awesome :P
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#11 Infinite-Zr0
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GTA: SA one of the biggest games in gaming history. I think that makes up for it.
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I think that the reason we see more caucassion charecters is because most games are made by caucassions, and wellm if you where to try to come up with a video game charecter, or any charecter for that matter the first thing that would come to mind would be someone of the same enicity as yourself, just like in most J-RPG's the charecters appear to be japanese.
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Almost every main character in a video game is a white man/woman. Ninjas and Samurais take on a Caucasian likeness. would you be less likely to play a game if the main character took on a solid ethic look to them, or was a black man/woman?donmega1
That's a weird question. Who even notices stuff like that except for insecure people.
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#14 donmega1
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sumner1456 in the design world there are plenty of other races working on a project. i am an art college graduate and most of the people i went to school with are foreign. and guess what? they drew a lot of white characters...not all the time... but they did.
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#15 donmega1
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@ Unassigned thats called the "trained" eye....
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You do know that Darth Vader is white under that mask. :P
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Vic Vance in Grand Theft Auto Vice City Stories is another.
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who...cares...?

its been like this since ever. the white man has always been the protagonist of anything since england took over north america.

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#19 JKnaperek
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There are plenty of other ethnic main characters. Obviously you haven't played enough games to realize this.
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#20 donmega1
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lol @ nwarrior89. i am of mix race (3) that i know about. so that does not bother me. and by no means is this topic about race issues. its an open minded question...
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#21 myloman44
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Does it really matter?
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#22 donmega1
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@ JKnaperek i been around playing games since the beginning. (29 yrs old) what about you?
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[QUOTE="CTUDude"]Kratos is dark skinned if that matters =/ I think Caucasian's are the easiest to relate to in games. If you have a white protagonist, chances are no matter what colour you are you can relate to them no problem. It's harder for coloured people to relate with other coloured people. I'm not sure how to explain it lol. By the way I'm Asian =O

I think that you're partly right, cause only caucasians will keep going into zombie/demon/alien infested towns over and over (j/k).

I'd rather a caucasian Pro/Antaganist becuase relating to a African-American is difficult.

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Well, 1) There are hundreds (if not thousands) of races in this world, so I wish that folks would wake up and stop seeing only black and white people. 2) There is no "default black mentality", just like not all white people are hillbillies / Yuppie New Yorkers . Y'all have been watching too many movies / t.v shows. Get out sometime and live life.
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@ Unassigned thats called the "trained" eye....donmega1
I wouldn't really call it a trained eye. For years caucaisian lead characters have been around and the inclusion of african american or other ethnic backgrounds has only just started to appear in games within the past 10 years or less. And in most games where you can customize your character, the option is there.
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#25 Unassigned
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@ Unassigned thats called the "trained" eye....donmega1
Why sould someone focus their "trained" eye on something like this unless their insecure?
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Does it really matter?myloman44
Absolutely not!
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[QUOTE="myloman44"]Does it really matter?Unassigned
Absolutely not!

Take it easy.

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[QUOTE="Unassigned"][QUOTE="myloman44"]Does it really matter?myloman44

Absolutely not!

Take it easy.

I'm just agreeing with you 100%.
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well all i know is that i cant wait to play afro samurai. haha thats gonna be a blast:twisted:
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Does it really matter?
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[QUOTE="CTUDude"]Kratos is dark skinned if that matters =/ I think Caucasian's are the easiest to relate to in games. If you have a white protagonist, chances are no matter what colour you are you can relate to them no problem. It's harder for coloured people to relate with other coloured people. I'm not sure how to explain it lol. By the way I'm Asian =Obrotherreese
I think that you're partly right, cause only caucasians will keep going into zombie/demon/alien infested towns over and over (j/k). [QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

I'd rather a caucasian Pro/Antaganist becuase relating to a African-American is difficult.

Well, 1) There are hundreds (if not thousands) of races in this world, so I wish that folks would wake up and stop seeing only black and white people. 2) There is no "default black mentality", just like not all white people are hillbillies / Yuppie New Yorkers . Y'all have been watching too many movies / t.v shows. Get out sometime and live life.

took the words right out of my mouth, you go man, you go!
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Thanks to historical oversaturation of Caucasian characters as primary figures in almost all forms of literature and media, the Caucasian model is treated as the 'default'. Thus, it's less like a white person and more like a 'generic' person. Changing the race/color/gender immediately makes the character take on shades of uniqueness or alternate traits that everyone might not be able to identify with. GTA San Andreas is widely considered to be the best of the GTA series but many people won't play it because of its 'black' focus...not because they're racist but because it's harder to identify with such a distinct culture. Many people won't play a video game with a female lead because it either a) makes them feel like they're 'acting like a girl', b) are appalled or disconcerted with the sexism or some other reason.

But put your average, tough white man with a cool haircut, a leather jacket and a five o'clock shadow in the lead and almost everyone will love it because it's what we're used to from books, movies, cartoons and video games over time.

I'd like to see a world where there is no 'default' race or gender...where the lead character's visual design in a game doesn't affect the storyline or the quality of the gameplay. But alas, all I can do is write stories and draw comics about it...and stick to games where I can customize the character myself.

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[QUOTE="Dualmask"]

Thanks to historical oversaturation of Caucasian characters as primary figures in almost all forms of literature and media, the Caucasian model is treated as the 'default'. Thus, it's less like a white person and more like a 'generic' person. Changing the race/color/gender immediately makes the character take on shades of uniqueness or alternate traits that everyone might not be able to identify with. GTA San Andreas is widely considered to be the best of the GTA series but many people won't play it because of its 'black' focus...not because they're racist but because it's harder to identify with such a distinct culture. Many people won't play a video game with a female lead because it either a) makes them feel like they're 'acting like a girl', b) are appalled or disconcerted with the sexism or some other reason.

But put your average, tough white man with a cool haircut, a leather jacket and a five o'clock shadow in the lead and almost everyone will love it because it's what we're used to from books, movies, cartoons and video games over time.

I'd like to see a world where there is no 'default' race or gender...where the lead character's visual design in a game doesn't affect the storyline or the quality of the gameplay. But alas, all I can do is write stories and draw comics about it...and stick to games where I can customize the character myself.

Nice DeviantArt page Dualmask, very talented.
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i would do the same thing. face it their are way too many wack jobs out there that scream racist when a character thats not white is shooting a gun or killing people or dieing in a game
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gta sa, gta 4, assasins creed, just about every jrpg, just about every game based on an anime, any super mario brothers game for examples.
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Um. Afro Samurai. lolol.
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[QUOTE="Dualmask"]

Thanks to historical oversaturation of Caucasian characters as primary figures in almost all forms of literature and media, the Caucasian model is treated as the 'default'. Thus, it's less like a white person and more like a 'generic' person. Changing the race/color/gender immediately makes the character take on shades of uniqueness or alternate traits that everyone might not be able to identify with. GTA San Andreas is widely considered to be the best of the GTA series but many people won't play it because of its 'black' focus...not because they're racist but because it's harder to identify with such a distinct culture. Many people won't play a video game with a female lead because it either a) makes them feel like they're 'acting like a girl', b) are appalled or disconcerted with the sexism or some other reason.

But put your average, tough white man with a cool haircut, a leather jacket and a five o'clock shadow in the lead and almost everyone will love it because it's what we're used to from books, movies, cartoons and video games over time.

I'd like to see a world where there is no 'default' race or gender...where the lead character's visual design in a game doesn't affect the storyline or the quality of the gameplay. But alas, all I can do is write stories and draw comics about it...and stick to games where I can customize the character myself.

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Nice DeviantArt page Dualmask, very talented.

Agreed. :)

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[QUOTE="myloman44"]

[QUOTE="Unassigned"] Absolutely not!Unassigned

Take it easy.

I'm just agreeing with you 100%.

For someone to have the type of car they drive in their sig and then suggest insecurity in others is a tad...ironic perhaps. :)

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They should release a version of resident evil where you play a black guy killing a bunch of kkk zombies. Haha. Omg, that would be a great mode for modern warfare two "KKK ZOMBIES MODE!"
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Thanks to historical oversaturation of Caucasian characters as primary figures in almost all forms of literature and media, the Caucasian model is treated as the 'default'. Thus, it's less like a white person and more like a 'generic' person. Changing the race/color/gender immediately makes the character take on shades of uniqueness or alternate traits that everyone might not be able to identify with. GTA San Andreas is widely considered to be the best of the GTA series but many people won't play it because of its 'black' focus...not because they're racist but because it's harder to identify with such a distinct culture. Many people won't play a video game with a female lead because it either a) makes them feel like they're 'acting like a girl', b) are appalled or disconcerted with the sexism or some other reason.

But put your average, tough white man with a cool haircut, a leather jacket and a five o'clock shadow in the lead and almost everyone will love it because it's what we're used to from books, movies, cartoons and video games over time.

I'd like to see a world where there is no 'default' race or gender...where the lead character's visual design in a game doesn't affect the storyline or the quality of the gameplay. But alas, all I can do is write stories and draw comics about it...and stick to games where I can customize the character myself.

Dualmask

EGADS!! I was just bemoaning the fact that the threads on this forum were lacking of intellect and interest...but that is a wonderfully written post.

The only flaw I find in your reasoning is that of the female protagonist. I think that that's been proven incorrect as the Tomb Raider series can attest to. Also the last ten years has seen a somewhat significant shift in the construct of the default hero and other main characters, in cinema, gaming and literature. The Matrix, for example, while having Neo (yes pretty damn white) had a wide range of important characters derived from a wide variety of backgrounds. Morpheus' role of sage, the general who was black, the strong female roles (captains of ships, council members, etc) provided a refreshing twist to conventional western constructs. The popularity of those movies, and many others, I think shows a willingness by the western consumer to accept and indeed relate to any character of any background/gender/ethnicity as long as their motives are believable, their personality likeable and their fundamental humanness (forgive the word) distinctly developed.

On a side note: The japanese and asians in general have women predominantly placed in myth, legends and especially martial art flicks. They wield power, intellect and wisdom and play pivotal roles in many of these stories.

In essense, I don't believe it's the consumer who's been conditioned too far to accept variation in their hero. More so, it is the creator/develepor/writer who has been reticent in the past to try "new" things. But once one dares break from the norm, one will find an accepting public...as long as the story is good, people will watch it, read it, or play it. :)

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[QUOTE="Unassigned"][QUOTE="myloman44"]

Take it easy.

Leostatic

I'm just agreeing with you 100%.

For someone to have the type of car they drive in their sig and then suggest insecurity in others is a tad...ironic perhaps. :)

Actually my car in my sig is part of a collection of cars, a hobby just like gaming.
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It wouldn't really matter to me as long as the game is fun.
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Thanks to historical oversaturation of Caucasian characters as primary figures in almost all forms of literature and media, the Caucasian model is treated as the 'default'. Thus, it's less like a white person and more like a 'generic' person. Changing the race/color/gender immediately makes the character take on shades of uniqueness or alternate traits that everyone might not be able to identify with. GTA San Andreas is widely considered to be the best of the GTA series but many people won't play it because of its 'black' focus...not because they're racist but because it's harder to identify with such a distinct culture. Many people won't play a video game with a female lead because it either a) makes them feel like they're 'acting like a girl', b) are appalled or disconcerted with the sexism or some other reason.

But put your average, tough white man with a cool haircut, a leather jacket and a five o'clock shadow in the lead and almost everyone will love it because it's what we're used to from books, movies, cartoons and video games over time.

I'd like to see a world where there is no 'default' race or gender...where the lead character's visual design in a game doesn't affect the storyline or the quality of the gameplay. But alas, all I can do is write stories and draw comics about it...and stick to games where I can customize the character myself.

Dualmask
I was thinking the exact thing but i wouldnt have explained it as well good post.
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[QUOTE="Leostatic"][QUOTE="Unassigned"] I'm just agreeing with you 100%.Unassigned

For someone to have the type of car they drive in their sig and then suggest insecurity in others is a tad...ironic perhaps. :)

Actually my car in my sig is part of a collection of cars, a hobby just like gaming.

It's a nice hobby to have...though I'm still not sure how that contradicts my assertion. I guess the mentality that ANY car defines a person, is what I find a little sad.

Either way, Kudos to you for collecting cars like games. I was just pointing out what I saw as hypocracy (and a little mean) in you calling someone out on their 'insecurity.' But, enjoy the cars and the games.:)

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I like the games where you have a choice in what your character looks like. Ie, Fallout 3, Saint's Row (1 & 2), Rainbow Six Vegas 2, or Oblivion. I know this can't always be the case, Ie GTA:SA, or GTA:4, because those characters have a specific culture they are attached to. But as far as seeing some broad geralization of a race only being used, I think that it's a bit far fetched. That, or I just don't care about a person's skin color all that much for it to really have an impact for me. Race barley encumpases who we are, it's more our culture that identifys us. And even with in that, there are many diffrances.
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#47 jameslangford
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What about the 50 cent games?

Anyway, its an easy answer. Up until now most people that buy games are caucasian in America. Austrailia and England are also large caucasian markets. There are plenty of asian protaganists through games. When marketing they just try and aim the game at the audience.

As more minorities start playing games they will branch out more. Other than that black (or non-target practice middle eaterns) will be a novelty. Can anyone think of main hispanic characters? Its all about the marketing and what is the most acceptable to the customer.

Face it, most things in our world have more to do with money than race.

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#48 Denji
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There are plenty of other ethnic main characters. Obviously you haven't played enough games to realize this.JKnaperek

^this

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I'd rather a caucasian Pro/Antaganist becuase relating to a African-American is difficult.

But I like asians more.....just look at my sig....

BTW im Jamaican.......

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I relate to my black ppl but like u i just seems to like asians more btw i'm haitian
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#50 Elraptor
Member since 2004 • 30966 Posts
This is an interesting discussion, but for reasons of topicality, threads on the Ps3 board need to have some link to Ps3 games or the Ps3 itself. You could re-post this thread in GGD or narrow its scope to Ps3 games (the former choice is probably easier and more appealing).