Why did MGS 4 get a perfect score?

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#1 WasacreOL
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Considering the year it was released, I don't think that MGS 4 deserved a perfect score because

1. It was too early for critics to give a game a perfect score since more games will be released and I think that they didn't consider that.

2. No game is perfect.

3. If games that year got 10, why aren't games released this year at least given a 10? Like 10 for graphics? MGA 4 didn't really have the best graphics. :|

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#2 MethodManFTW
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so only games at the end of the consoles life span should get 10s? that doesnt make sense. mgs4's graphics are great, and in my eyes MGS4 was perfect
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#3 NaveedLife
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Wow....just wow. "no game is perfect". You are one of those annoying people that thinks the 10 on the scale should never be used. The game is not PERFECT for today's graphics, but then it was some of the best, and is still rather pretty for the most part. The story is unmatched, which is what really sets it apart. The presentation was flawless. The game is freakin masterful, that is why it got a 10.

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#4 jetslalom
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mgs4 was perfect,i havent played a better game since, and the graphics did deserve a 10 as well as the overall score. it got a 10 from ign as well, you need to play part 1, 2 and 3 to fully appreciate part 4

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#5 ProjectTrinity
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One day, I will sit down and have a ratings battle with MGS4 fans. And I will be on the "It shouldn't have gotten the full 10." side. But, with those reasons listed on the first post, this is not the day.
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#6 funsohng
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"10.0: PrimeThis exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way."Gamespot
10.0 does not necessarily mean perfect anymore and back to your question on why MGS4 got 10.... well, the reviewer thought it deserved 10 out of 10 and there, that's the reason. simple as that. does it necessarily have to agree with your opinion? no.
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#7 ks1990steelman
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The grade is for the year the game released. Thinking this way, GOW2 doesn't deserve a 9.2 because GOW3 have gotten a 9.0. However, I think MGS4 does deserve a 10. This game is AWESOME and EPIC. And the graphics are excellent, better than many newer games.

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#8 shadow13702
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The grade is for the year the game released. Thinking this way, GOW2 doesn't deserve a 9.2 because GOW3 have gotten a 9.0. However, I think MGS4 does deserve a 10. This game is AWESOME and EPIC. And the graphics are excellent, better than many newer games.

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One of the reason why it got a 10 lol

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Because it's fun.

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#10 CBR600-RR
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Considering it's the best game I've ever played, yes it deserved the 10.

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#11 Wolfetan
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The score doesnt judge how good it will be in a year.. ;)

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#12 Ragashahs
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perfect has many definitions to some it means there are 0 flaws with the game to me however it means it's the best game it could have been or in other words I never had a "wish this was better" moment. In MGS4 i had no moment like that for the type of game it was and it's auidence it couldn't haven been better. yes people who have never played a single MGS game before probably would like this game very much but it's not for them it's for fans of the series like me and others also for it's time the graphics were amongst the best

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#13 nyc05
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A game that receives a 10 isn't considered perfect, rather the best of the best; a true masterpiece; a game that cannot be improved upon in any meaningful way

Get it?

People can argue all they want about scores. The fact is the reviewer gave MGS4 a 10 because that's what he thought it deserved. He's not "right", nor is he "wrong". It's simply his opinion, something everyone is entitled to.

People really need to grasp this concept already.

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#14 xxgunslingerxx
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Considering the year it was released, I don't think that MGS 4 deserved a perfect score because

1. It was too early for critics to give a game a perfect score since more games will be released and I think that they didn't consider that.

2. No game is perfect.

3. If games that year got 10, why aren't games released this year at least given a 10? Like 10 for graphics? MGA 4 didn't really have the best graphics. :|

WasacreOL

at the time mgs4 had the best graphics
at the time it was the more or less the best game you could buy (opinions differ on this)

u might as well say games that come out at the begining of each generation should only get a 2 cause they are nothing compared to what is released now

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#15 GrandJury
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*Sigh*, here we go again. Now instead of the constant "what games should I get" threads we have the "Lets complain about reviews and scores given to games" threads. Seriously MGS4 was perfect to a lot of people, and once again it is just an opinion.

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#16 SlitYourGuts
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It's an opinion. Look at other sites' ratings.

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#17 Scianix-Black
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...come on.

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#18 NaveedLife
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BTW I just played 4 about a month ago and it BLEW ME AWAY. I bought and played 1,2, and 3 and beat them in a few months of eachother, realizing that the series is one of the best ever made. you absolutely have to play 1,2, and 3 before you play 4.

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#19 bizzy420
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[QUOTE="WasacreOL"]

Considering the year it was released, I don't think that MGS 4 deserved a perfect score because

1. It was too early for critics to give a game a perfect score since more games will be released and I think that they didn't consider that.

2. No game is perfect.

3. If games that year got 10, why aren't games released this year at least given a 10? Like 10 for graphics? MGA 4 didn't really have the best graphics. :|

why did perfect dark zero get a ten? that game was crap.
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#20 MethodManFTW
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perfect dark got a 9.9 =/
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#21 djvj_y2k
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because... it's mgs4. the name itelf sums it up, .. this is the sole reason i bought a ps3. even though it has it's flaws this game has something that other games doesn't have.. epic, masterpiece.. it's hard to put into words really, you'll understand why this game got a 10 if you played 1-2-3-4. , it's like same question: why did gta4 get a 10?

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#22 nyc05
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2. No game is perfect.

WasacreOL

Ok, hmm. After looking at your profile, I see you rated two games a 10: God of War III and Syphon Filer: Logan's Shadow.

I thought, as you say, "No game is perfect"?

Didn't think things through very well, did you?

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#23 Windblade91
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its MGS, it cause a 10 automatically God of War III deserves it i think, but some people have to be whiners
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#24 Denji
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...come on.

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#25 Rakuho
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Considering the year it was released, I don't think that MGS 4 deserved a perfect score because

1. It was too early for critics to give a game a perfect score since more games will be released and I think that they didn't consider that.

Alright, I'll bite.

You should understand that your argument is based on a few flawed assumptions. First, you assume that critic's ratings have a planned format or a certain "score quota." Second, you assume that there's a relationship between the time a game is released and that game's resulting score. Now unless you can support your claims with sufficient and relevant evidence, you should think twice before posting nonsensical conspiracies.

2. No game is perfect.

Depends on how you define perfection (biases included). Remember, perfection from a preference standpoint is not the same as perfection from a mathematical one. And game score is simply used to help quantify enjoyability/preferences/etc of a particular critic, not to be used as a mathematical number to draw comparisons. (i.e. the number 10 is always greater than the number 9, but a certain game that got a 9 may be better than a game that got a 10 once personal preferences are entered into the formula... and i feel silly for even bothering to mention that).

3. (part1) If games that year got 10, why aren't games released this year at least given a 10?

Again, you return to your original flawed assumptions of score quotas and time/score relationship.

3. (part2) Like 10 for graphics? MGA 4 didn't really have the best graphics. :|

GS doesn't use a numerical system to calculate game characteristics and attributes.

Even if they happen to have acknowledged that the graphics weren't the best, they left themselves room to use other game characteristics reduce the impact of flawed visuals on their overall review.

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#26 gamer082009
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MGS4 should've been more of like a 9.5 because the way they did GOW3. Heavy Rain and Uncharted 2..it's no way MGS4 should've been looking grainy the way it does. Just take the intro, at the graveyard for instance. I love the game because I'm a huge MGS fan..but seriously this game does NOT have the best graphics.
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#27 Tlahui
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bacause of hype. Amazing game, but in all honety, its a step down from MGS3 (that game WAS, in aALL aspects, perfect.)
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#28 GrandJury
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perfect dark got a 9.9 =/MethodManFTW
LOL so did Tony Hawk pro skater 2.
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#29 WR_Platinum
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Because it is perfect. if there is no such thing as a perfect game, then the word 'perfect' should not exist, nor it's meaning if that is the case with everything.


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#30 Swift_Boss_A
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Perfect game Perfect score :D 10 doesn't mean the game is perfect just that it's the best example in its genre and everything in the game from sound, graphics, story, gameplay etc hold up very well for the time. MGS4 still is the best stealth action game out there and one with a superb story to match. A well deserved 10.
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#31 beinss
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mgs4 was perfect,i havent played a better game since, and the graphics did deserve a 10 as well as the overall score. it got a 10 from ign as well, you need to play part 1, 2 and 3 to fully appreciate part 4

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This is why MGS4 is perfect
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#32 fifamessi
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mgs4 was a perfect ending to metal gear.. or so we thought. thats why it got a perfect score :)
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#33 DealRogers
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Yeah no game is perfect, but also no game is better than MGS4 or GTA4 (this gen).

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#34 zbdyx
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The two games this gen that got 10's didn't deserve them. I mean yeah, MGS and GTA were great, but they could have been better. Also, idk how MGS won graphics of the year when Crysis Warhead came out that same year. I mean, are the reviewers blind?
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#35 hazelnutman
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...come on.

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#36 CTR360
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because have the best graphics best story best atmosphere
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#37 dkjestrup
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Ocarina of Time is perfect.... .... I need that picture of the OoT box, with the caption "after this, everything seems average" or something along those lines. TC, I agree MGS4 wasn't anywhere near a 10 score, but honestly, that is some of the worst logic I've seen.
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#38 GrandJury
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Yeah no game is perfect, but also no game is better than MGS4 or GTA4 (this gen).

DealRogers

Now see this is were opinions get funny, A lot of games are better than GTA4...A lot.

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#39 gizmo_dave100
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as was said it got a 10 because that person thought it deserved a 10

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#40 brickdoctor
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Oh boy. :roll: 10 does not mean that a game is perfect, it means it's elite, best of the best. And why would games at the end of the lifespan of a console only get a ten? And by the sounds of it you're saying Graphics= Quality, which is a big no. I will agree with you that MGS4 is not 10 material though. If any game in 2009 should've gotten that it's Fallout 3. But it's still an awesome game that is easily at least a 9.5.

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#41 taplok
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Everyone who knows and have played the game and its predecessors why it got a 10... and i agree.

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#42 chocolate1325
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Because it was a good game but if that got a ten then Uncharted 2 should have got it as well.

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#43 NaveedLife
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Oh boy. :roll: 10 does not mean that a game is perfect, it means it's elite, best of the best. And why would games at the end of the lifespan of a console only get a ten? And by the sounds of it you're saying Graphics= Quality, which is a big no. I will agree with you that MGS4 is not 10 material though. If any game in 2009 should've gotten that it's Fallout 3. But it's still an awesome game that is easily at least a 9.5.

brickdoctor

Now I realize that opinion is a HUGE factor, but you are flat out wrong to say Fallout 3 is a better game then MGS4.

Graphics are worse then MGS4

Story is worse then MGS4 (MGS4 is one of, if not THE best story ina video game ever)

presentation and scenes are worse then MGS4

Fallout 3 is horribly overrated (IMO), as these games make you feel like it is so epic and cool, then when you get into it a few hours you realize the atomsphere is all the same which IMO is a HUGE part of a game.

To say that you like Fallout 3 better is fine, to say its better is NOT! :P.

But i love uncharted 1 and 2, so nice pic ;).

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#44 NaveedLife
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Because it was a good game but if that got a ten then Uncharted 2 should have got it as well.

chocolate1325

Oh boy this is where things get hard IMO, I thought Uncharted 2 could not be topped, then I played MGS4 (cause I had just beat 1,2,3). They are very close and both amazing, but if you take into acount little things like story not being all that different from 1, then I GUESS i could see why uncharted 2 didn't recieve a higher score, but to me the game is atleast a 9.8.

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#45 JKnaperek
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Seriously who cares...
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#46 sonic0491
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Look... Im going to be honest...

I was never into MGS....

before I played MGS 4 I had never played a MGS game before....

But MGS4 simply blew me away!!!!! Its PEFECT!!!!!

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#47 email2003
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[QUOTE="Denji"]

[QUOTE="Scianix-Black"]

...come on.

LOL EPIC WIN! /post

LOL! Also, haven't we had this argument since 2008?
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#48 Mushrooom_Man
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I thought it was pretty fun . . .