Why do gamers care how other gamers play?

I absolutely refuse to answer ANYTHING to someone who has a Gears of War Avatar... :roll:

in shooting games, people don't complain about how others play because of the mode they play, they complain about how others play because of stuff like spawn camping. spawn camping is a cheap way to win because when you spawn camp, you don't give the other team and/or player a chance to even get out of their spawn and fight back

Because, people hate people who hide in a unsuspicious corner, put a silencer on their gun, and get cheap kills just sitting there. It's like man up and play like a blood thirsty vampire Rambo.

I think people have a predilection towards criticizing anything that isn't just like their view of the world. That leads to argument, and argument leads (sometimes) to war, even. "Hey, you're not just like me, you need to change or be stamped out".

I live in a country where that has happened a lot, historically. Both on our soil and off it. Not proud of such an aspect, but the truth is the truth.

I read an editiorial in Game Informer about a year ago where a guy was talking about his playing games through on the "Easy" setting, and at first I had a similar reaction to some of the posts here - That's CRAZY - But in going through a Legacy platform game, I ended up switching to Easy settings, and I began to see his position.

Some people aren't as talented (gifted?) as others in hand-eye, others aren't as quick or versatile on button combos or the like... Pro gamers are now being tested and catagorized, given stats like a pro athelete, if you will, for this burgeoning "sport", and it has been shown that there are people out there who are better-suited to competition in the electronic arena, just like there are guys who are amazing goalies in footie or better at handling speed and G-Forces in F1. Fighter pilots. Basketball players...

... So as gamers, we should begin to get that into our lexicon, our culture. Some are going to be better at PvP, or handling whatever is coming at them. AND, some are just simply going to seek a different level of competition because that's the level where they find it entertaining.

Why criticize another gamer for ANYTHING they choose to do with a gaming system, as long as it doesn't adversely effect you personally (like using an aim-bot assist in an FPS, or a cheat code for other PvP experiences)? Just be happy that this hobby allows for such a wide sample of people to all enjoy the same thing.

Gamers in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, gamers in the UK, Europe, Asia, Australia... We're all finding out that even though our respective governments might have a stick up the rump concerning interactions, we as GAMERS are not so different from each other... And that can lead to understanding that there is no reason to hate each other, though our elected officials (or Totalitarian state officials) might tell us otherwise.

And that, my friends, can only be good for the future of our planet.

Peace and Unity through Infinite Diversity, I say. No matter HOW you enjoy this hobby, the fact is that you DO. And that makes you my brother or sister, no matter where you live.

:D

(Soap Box Kicked To The Side)

Why criticize another gamer for ANYTHING they choose to do with a gaming system, as long as it doesn't adversely effect you personally?MonkeySpot

I'm only OK with that part... *THUMBS UP*

I won't speak on multiplayer games as others have because I think it's easy to see that simplifying the game for some changes things for everyone. But for single player games I think there are a couple of reasons.

First there's a fear that the developers are only trying to attract and accommodate the casual gamers. If developers start putting in features that allow less skilled players to get through the game with little challenge then the next time the developers may just tone down the overall difficulty of the game if they haven't already. For many it just represents a continuing trend of dumbing down games to accommodate casuals.

Second is the devaluing of the accomplishment of beating a game. Many people don't like the fact that you can get through the game on an easy setting and see and get everything (or just about everything) in the game while they struggle with the game on a higher difficulty setting. It almost makes playing on a higher difficulty useless. I remember in older games you often were not allowed to beat a game unless you played at least on the normal setting. To use one game that comes to mind, X-Men on the Genesis would not allow you to play past level three on the easy setting and there were many other games like this. People want to feel a genuine reward for beating a difficult game but when the end result from beating a game on normal or higher difficulties is roughly no different than beating it on easy people feel like the ones playing on easy are "cheating".

With all that being said I don't care how people play or enjoy their games. It's your game, you have every right to enjoy it how you wish.

[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]Why criticize another gamer for ANYTHING they choose to do with a gaming system, as long as it doesn't adversely effect you personally?Orpheus_Evo

I'm only OK with that part... *THUMBS UP*

Thank you... But you don't agree that gaming can show people of divergent cultural backgrounds that they're not so far apart, and should maybe feel a bit more love than not for one-another, or at least not feel like launching a missile or otherwise becoming aggressive?

:(

I had a great PM exchange with a Jordanian gamer (a country that ostensibly dislikes my country and vice-versa), and we are friends now. He doesn't hate Americans, and I have expanded my own horizons to begin understanding his country's contributions, and appreciate what it has to offer. In turn, I can pass that on to my children, and perhaps when our kids (or grandkids, his and mine together) rule the planet, they won't be as idiotic as our respective governments are right now. I think that the world could use a little more of that "hey, you're a pretty cool person! I never knew that before" reaction... And the Internet & gaming made that possible in my case. I think, as a species, we have had enough killing, and disrespect.

Unless it's digital with no actual blood spilled or life lost, of course.

:P

But thank you again for the compliment!

But you don't agree that gaming can show people of divergent cultural backgrounds that they're not so far apart, and should maybe feel a bit more love than not for one-another, or at least not feel like launching a missile or otherwise becoming aggressive?

:(

I had a great PM exchange with a Jordanian gamer (a country that ostensibly dislikes my country and vice-versa), and we are friends now. He doesn't hate Americans, and I have expanded my own horizons to begin understanding his country's contributions, and appreciate what it has to offer. In turn, I can pass that on to my children, and perhaps when our kids (or grandkids, his and mine together) rule the planet, they won't be as idiotic as our respective governments are right now. I think that the world could use a little more of that "hey, you're a pretty cool person! I never knew that before" reaction... And the Internet & gaming made that possible in my case. I think, as a species, we have had enough killing, and disrespect.MonkeySpot

I ABSOLUTELY, 100% AGREE WITH THAT.

Just yesterday I was talking with someone... and I said to her EXACTLY all that! It's like something out of the"Twilight Zone"! :shock: :D

But, in regards to your previous post... I don't agree with the part about how some people are more "talented" than others... almost as if you were implying that only a "less talented" gamer would play a game on Easy Mode... Sorry, but I just strongly disagree about that.

Also, I don't think the only way other players can "screw" your gaming experience is employing cheats and all that. In my experience, excessive competitiveness and "gaming selfishness" also can mutate an otherwise "awesome" experience into some horrific and frustrating one. So, no "cheating" necessary there. :roll:

Lastly, with all due respect, I think your "pseudo-hippie" version of the World, although very praiseworthy, is kinda VERY naive... :oops:

I'm absolutely sure that we, as Gamers, must not do any difference and discriminate other Gamers based on their nationalities or political views... but I don't think that only because we love to play, we should be friends TO EVERYONE. :roll:

Even here, on this very Forum, I have people that I HATE (ok, maybe a little bit overboard... let's say "dislike" :P), and I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I don't dislike them because they're American or Japanese or Iraqi... I dislike them just because I don't like THE KIND OF PERSON OR GAMER they are. So, that makes me a "tool for Earth's annihilation" in 50 or 100 years? I don't think so. Diplomacy is for countries and states... I just want to play the way I like with people who likes me. Even if they are from Pluto. That's all. ;)

I absolutely refuse to answer ANYTHING to someone who has a Gears of War Avatar... :roll:

Orpheus_Evo

Grow up

crappy game sells alot, puts better game dev out of business. franchise dead. this rarely happens though.

[QUOTE="Orpheus_Evo"]

I absolutely refuse to answer ANYTHING to someone who has a Gears of War Avatar... :roll:

undeadgoon

Grow up

I don't want to... I'm perfectly as I am. Thank you. :cool:

i've honestly wondered the same thing for years.. example- there was once a device called a codebreaker back in the ps2 days, it enhanced games, making it to where u could play a game in almost any way u chose, make your own rules, ect.. it was so much fun, but the problem was u could also use this device to cheat by giving yourself infinite life, and even though most like myself never used it for this purpose the fact is u could, and gamers who weren't fond of this went crazy, complaining about it over and over till eventually it was done away with, this is obviously why u haven't heard of one for ps3.. best example i can think of about selfish gamers putting too much concern in how others choose to play, or u could say refusing to mind there own business..

i've honestly wondered the same thing for years.. example- there was once a device called a codebreaker back in the ps2 days, it enhanced games, making it to where u could play a game in almost any way u chose, make your own rules, ect.. it was so much fun, but the problem was u could also use this device to cheat by giving yourself infinite life, and even though most like myself never used it for this purpose the fact is u could, and gamers who weren't fond of this went crazy, complaining about it over and over till eventually it was done away with, this is obviously why u haven't heard of one for ps3.. best example i can think of about selfish gamers putting too much concern in how others choose to play, or u could say refusing to mind there own business..

lotusclown

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i've honestly wondered the same thing for years.. example- there was once a device called a codebreaker back in the ps2 days, it enhanced games, making it to where u could play a game in almost any way u chose, make your own rules, ect.. it was so much fun, but the problem was u could also use this device to cheat by giving yourself infinite life, and even though most like myself never used it for this purpose the fact is u could, and gamers who weren't fond of this went crazy, complaining about it over and over till eventually it was done away with, this is obviously why u haven't heard of one for ps3.. best example i can think of about selfish gamers putting too much concern in how others choose to play, or u could say refusing to mind there own business..

ShangTsung17

The first (music) file-share happened in 1988 (yeah, a long time ago). Fast-forward a bit, and you have the dawn of kazaa, and then napster. There wasn't any criminal intent when those things were created, and the technology wasn't intended for illicit use. But unfortunately, the human element changed all that, and then you eventually get rampant piracy which has cost three or four different industries immense amounts of revenue lost.

In the case of things like GameShark and other customizing software, the original intent was for a single-player experience but enterprising minds figured out how to bend that tech to the online experience. The reason why those things were done away with is because you couldn't keep it out of the MP experience, and as we have all agreed, messing with other people is a no-no.

[QUOTE="ShangTsung17"]

[QUOTE="lotusclown"]

i've honestly wondered the same thing for years.. example- there was once a device called a codebreaker back in the ps2 days, it enhanced games, making it to where u could play a game in almost any way u chose, make your own rules, ect.. it was so much fun, but the problem was u could also use this device to cheat by giving yourself infinite life, and even though most like myself never used it for this purpose the fact is u could, and gamers who weren't fond of this went crazy, complaining about it over and over till eventually it was done away with, this is obviously why u haven't heard of one for ps3.. best example i can think of about selfish gamers putting too much concern in how others choose to play, or u could say refusing to mind there own business..

MonkeySpot

The first (music) file-share happened in 1988 (yeah, a long time ago). Fast-forward a bit, and you have the dawn of kazaa, and then napster. There wasn't any criminal intent when those things were created, and the technology wasn't intended for illicit use. But unfortunately, the human element changed all that, and then you eventually get rampant piracy which has cost three or four different industries immense amounts of revenue lost.

In the case of things like GameShark and other customizing software, the original intent was for a single-player experience but enterprising minds figured out how to bend that tech to the online experience. The reason why those things were done away with is because you couldn't keep it out of the MP experience, and as we have all agreed, messing with other people is a no-no.

Some people don't like change.

Comparing what other gamers are playing is fine. What bugs me is why the heck would they care what trophies they're collecting. I think they need better life goals.

It doesn't matter if the game is single player.Matters a little bit whenyou play a co-op game, You have at least I other person who may care. and matter a lot when you play a on-linemulitplayer team based game.

I guess for team based games people want their team to win. For Single player it doesn't matter. On-line then people care.

All i care about is that I enjoy the games i play. I wish other people would not play a game like angry birds or mafia wars and then trash on me for playing mario...but im not the one in denial about my addiction. Outside that, i think that there is plenty of hardcore games to satisfy me, and when a dev "ruins" a series, i just stop playing it. I used to play COD, back when 4 came out. but since, no reason to.I still have 4 and get plenty of use out if it.da_chub

I rather enjoy MKvDCU. It's not the height of the series most-certainly (been a fan since MK debuted in the arcades all those years ago), but I like it for what it is and I can play it with my nephew who's too young for the blood'n'guts... Had some fun with it online until the cheating and spamming put me off. The Story Mode was good for a larf here and there...

:)

Not the finest hour for the series, but it's far from the worst. y'know?

well i'm not gonna lie and say i didn't buy it, i had some fun with it for a couple weeks, but eventually the idea of superman, wonder woman, ect, being on an mk game just got too silly for me to handle and i traded it in..

I'll make this short and sweet! Why is it that when a long time franchise decides to add in an easy or simplified mode, gamers go crazy? If your allowed to play the game the way u want to play, why would you care how other gamers play?karma1680

[QUOTE="karma1680"]I'll make this short and sweet! Why is it that when a long time franchise decides to add in an easy or simplified mode, gamers go crazy? If your allowed to play the game the way u want to play, why would you care how other gamers play?AmazonTreeBoa