why do people keep claiming BC2 is harder than mw2

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#1 demonslayer987
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so my friend let me play it and i find it a lot more easy, i went like 46-9 in my first try :|

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#2 firefluff3
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Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

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#3 demonslayer987
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Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

firefluff3
oh and to all thise people who argue about which game is more realistic and crap, why dont you just go to war, i hear theres no perks and once you die you dont respawn :|
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#4 shabab12
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MW2 KD:2.2 BFBC2 KD: 0.98 And i still prefer BFBC2 over the broken mess that is MW2.
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#5 The_Wii_Lover
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i THINK THAT PPLE WHO PLAY MW2 aren't used to the tactical aspect of BC2 nor the destructive environments they are just used torun and gun but it's actually pretty easy if you think before doing anything

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#6 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

demonslayer987

oh and to all thise people who argue about which game is more realistic and crap, why dont you just go to war, i hear theres no perks and once you die you dont respawn :|

more realistic =/= realistic.

BC2 is more realistic than MW2, fact.

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Kills dont matter the objectives do so no one would care if
[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

demonslayer987
oh and to all thise people who argue about which game is more realistic and crap, why dont you just go to war, i hear theres no perks and once you die you dont respawn :|

Well there are perks like the bonuses for going which are pretty nice.
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#8 tommyas
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[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

demonslayer987
oh and to all thise people who argue about which game is more realistic and crap, why dont you just go to war, i hear theres no perks and once you die you dont respawn :|

Lol this made my day. I was thinking exactly this recently after reading some arguments like that.
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#9 tommyas
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i THINK THAT PPLE WHO PLAY MW2 aren't used to the tactical aspect of BC2 nor the destructive environments they are just used torun and gun but it's actually pretty easy if you think before doing anything

The_Wii_Lover
I played BC2 with some people who used to play MW2 all the time. Of course they tried to play it like MW2 and of course they were failing miserably. After few matches they went back to MW2 to improve their K/D ratio...
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[QUOTE="demonslayer987"][QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

warmaster670

oh and to all thise people who argue about which game is more realistic and crap, why dont you just go to war, i hear theres no perks and once you die you dont respawn :|

more realistic =/= realistic.

BC2 is more realistic than MW2, fact.

This is true. But realism isn't what games are about at all. In fact, games are about fantasy and fiction. How they hell do you get shot 5 times and then miraculously heal yourself after a few seconds of not getting hit? This makes sense in fantastic games like Resistance but not in credible games like Medal of Honor and Call of Duty. Yet they still have it.

@thread: Who cares which is harder? If you wanna play a hard game, play some Total War or Close Combat on PC. These kinds of games are for fun and entertainment. It doesn't matter which one is "harder" or "more realistic". All that matters is whether you have fun playing it or not.

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I especially like in BC2, particularly in Rush Mode, how some games there is basically a bottleneck on the map which creates a "front line" in the battle. This makes you have to work as a team to bust through it. It's just such an epic feeling when your whole team is there pinning down the other team, with a tank or helicopter in support, trying to hold the other team back when you know exactly where they are coming from. On offense especially if your team sucks one individual is not going to break through the line themselves by running and gunning like in MW2 where an individual can just do whatever. You could die 10 straight times and probably not break through on your own in BC2. MW2 doesn't capture this feeling of epic battles at all. In Bad Company 2 it depends as much on what your team is doing. An individual's K/D ratio means nothing. Hell I've had games where I've had much less than 1.0 K/D ratio but I'm the #1 player in terms of points because I'm running up and blowing up vehicles with C4 or getting killed while taking out 3 or 4 of the MCOM's myself. It would be quite easy to have a high K/D ratio in Bad Company 2 if you don't try to take out objectives or if you just sitting back somewhere (i.e. people that snipe from their own base, can't STAND that when I have 3 snipers on my squad all sitting together like useless idiots).
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I especially like in BC2, particularly in Rush Mode, how some games there is basically a bottleneck on the map which creates a "front line" in the battle. This makes you have to work as a team to bust through it. It's just such an epic feeling when your whole team is there pinning down the other team, with a tank or helicopter in support, trying to hold the other team back when you know exactly where they are coming from. On offense especially if your team sucks one individual is not going to break through the line themselves by running and gunning like in MW2 where an individual can just do whatever. You could die 10 straight times and probably not break through on your own in BC2. MW2 doesn't capture this feeling of epic battles at all. In Bad Company 2 it depends as much on what your team is doing. An individual's K/D ratio means nothing. Hell I've had games where I've had much less than 1.0 K/D ratio but I'm the #1 player in terms of points because I'm running up and blowing up vehicles with C4 or getting killed while taking out 3 or 4 of the MCOM's myself. It would be quite easy to have a high K/D ratio in Bad Company 2 if you don't try to take out objectives or if you just sitting back somewhere (i.e. people that snipe from their own base, can't STAND that when I have 3 snipers on my squad all sitting together like useless idiots).2Chalupas
If you know exactly where the enemy is coming from, that's not working as a team. When you know where the enemy is coming from, it's all skill. It's when you don't know where the enemy is coming from or when you need to find ways to outflank your opponents that really emphasize teamwork. If a teammate is in trouble, you have to make the tough decision of going to him to help him out or sticking back where you think the enemies will be coming from when your mate dies.

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#13 JohnF111
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Hahahaha!!! Another MW2 fanboy coming to BC2 and the first thing he notes is his kills... yeah typical...
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#14 KamuiFei
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I'll never understand why people even compare them. They are two different types of shooters altogether. MW2 is an arcade style shooter with unrealistic bonuses (and it cant be unbalanced, because everyone has access to the same perks at the same levels). BC2 is more realistic, no perks involved and focuses more on teamwork and objectives. One isn't harder than the other and one doesn't suck over the other. People just gotta chill and play what they enjoy more. Personally I like MW2 more because its faster pace and I don't have to rely on others to survive. Thats just my preference though.

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[QUOTE="demonslayer987"][QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

oh and to all thise people who argue about which game is more realistic and crap, why dont you just go to war, i hear theres no perks and once you die you dont respawn :|

What about you start using your head - oh but wait, I heard you need a brain for that. Why would you even bring up going to war? Its totally irrelevent to the discussion and just makes you look ridiculous. We want it to be realistic because we dont want to go to war and be killed, for many reasons. In fact, if you're so 1337 at this game, you can go to war? Just accept that BC2 is harder than MW2.
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#16 mauiboynokaoi
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I'll never understand why people even compare them. They are two different types of shooters altogether. MW2 is an arcade style shooter with unrealistic bonuses (and it cant be unbalanced, because everyone has access to the same perks at the same levels). BC2 is more realistic, no perks involved and focuses more on teamwork and objectives. One isn't harder than the other and one doesn't suck over the other. People just gotta chill and play what they enjoy more. Personally I like MW2 more because its faster pace and I don't have to rely on others to survive. Thats just my preference though.

KamuiFei

This is semi-true. It can be unbalanced with perks if one team has all killstreaks while the other team has none. It's like in halo if your starting weapon is a SMG. Your enemy beats you to sword+rocket launcher. In a normal situation, this gives him a huge advantage and since it's not based on round gameplay like counterstrike, they can basically just kill you over and over and over while you barely stand a chance against them. In any case, every game is unbalanced. The moment someone claims to have found a balanced game is the day I call BS. There are always going to be advantages and disadvantages based on play style, map layout, etc. so what it all boils down to is which game you enjoy more.

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[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]I especially like in BC2, particularly in Rush Mode, how some games there is basically a bottleneck on the map which creates a "front line" in the battle. This makes you have to work as a team to bust through it. It's just such an epic feeling when your whole team is there pinning down the other team, with a tank or helicopter in support, trying to hold the other team back when you know exactly where they are coming from. On offense especially if your team sucks one individual is not going to break through the line themselves by running and gunning like in MW2 where an individual can just do whatever. You could die 10 straight times and probably not break through on your own in BC2. MW2 doesn't capture this feeling of epic battles at all. In Bad Company 2 it depends as much on what your team is doing. An individual's K/D ratio means nothing. Hell I've had games where I've had much less than 1.0 K/D ratio but I'm the #1 player in terms of points because I'm running up and blowing up vehicles with C4 or getting killed while taking out 3 or 4 of the MCOM's myself. It would be quite easy to have a high K/D ratio in Bad Company 2 if you don't try to take out objectives or if you just sitting back somewhere (i.e. people that snipe from their own base, can't STAND that when I have 3 snipers on my squad all sitting together like useless idiots).mauiboynokaoi

If you know exactly where the enemy is coming from, that's not working as a team. When you know where the enemy is coming from, it's all skill. It's when you don't know where the enemy is coming from or when you need to find ways to outflank your opponents that really emphasize teamwork. If a teammate is in trouble, you have to make the tough decision of going to him to help him out or sticking back where you think the enemies will be coming from when your mate dies.

Yeah, it is working as a team. The whole concept of Rush mode in BC2 is built around "attackers vs. defenders". How can that concept be for anything BUT teamwork??? It's incredibly difficult for an individual to break through in stalemated match of BC2, especially on offfense. It doesn't matter how "skilled" you are as an indivudal if the opposing team has a heli in the air, a tank pointed at you, anti-tank mines on the ground, snipers scoped on the chokepoint, etc, then you AREN"T getting through if you act as a lone wolf run and gunner trying to get to the MCOM station. Of course some maps take this to more of an extreme than others (Port Valdez is the first one that comes to mind for me, that one gets crazy sometimes when the defending team gets the upper hand, esp on the 2nd and 3rd sets of MCOM's). Even if you are in a tank you probably will get blown up rather quickly if you try to "charge" on your own. It needs to be coordinated with your squad, or at least wait until you see some other teammates make a move.

I've seen plenty of games in BC2 where the offensive teams run right through and blow up every MCOM in 5 minutes. But when the defense gets the upper hand the offensive team gets slaughtered. I've been in games where I get frustrated at my team being "bogged down" and before I know it I probably die 10 times in a row. (usually what happens is you realize that 8 of your teammates have switched to "recon" class and nobody else on your team is even TRYING to rush the MCOM any more)

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#18 mauiboynokaoi
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I didn't say go Rambo on them. I said it requires skill and not necessarily teamwork. Let's take a game like counterstrike for example. In CS, you run in guns blazin, chances are you'll get shot up. Of course you can't just sit there all day and do nothing right? So you need to go in there from multiple routes (or one route if you expect to just punch through them and camp their base) eventually. Now the #1 thing that gets people killed in CS (from what I've seen) is getting shot by an opponent you didn't know was there. If you knew where every enemy was, it would come down to a shootout between you (and maybe your teammates) and the opposing guys. Because of this, the primary things that will make the difference is who can get the first (accurate) shot off, who has the more effective weapon, and finally who has the most backup. On the other hand, in a match where you don't know where everyone is, you could easily be looking in one direction and get nailed by a sniper from the side. You and your teammates could get flanked and not even know what hit you. Essentially when you know where everyone is, it boils down to who makes the least mistakes and generally those with more skill win.

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#19 GrandJury
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Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

firefluff3

Actually I quick scope in BC2 all of the time....I like BC2 but I am getting sick and tired of people acting as if they are kings and queens of gaming just because they play this instead of MW2. MW2 and all of the call of duty games take some sort of skill. Sure it may not have the vehicles and big open maps but it still takes some sort of skill in a way. As I've said 100 times before. BC2 is not better than MW2 and MW2 is not better than BC2. They are both very different games if you think about it. Both have their good things about them and both have their bad. Stop acting as if MW2 players are poor dirt or something. And as for the TC, it is very easy to sit back and get a good K/D in BC2, but word of advice, unless you are one of those usless assaults, K/D means nothing. It is all about objectives. Think a big ass game of search and destroy.

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#20 GrandJury
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[QUOTE="demonslayer987"][QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

warmaster670

oh and to all thise people who argue about which game is more realistic and crap, why dont you just go to war, i hear theres no perks and once you die you dont respawn :|

more realistic =/= realistic.

BC2 is more realistic than MW2, fact.

I heard once you go to war there are also no specs as well. I also heard that you can't get shot and have 1% health and live. Another thing I am getting tired of STOP ACTING AS IF BC2 IS THE BEST THING EVER BECAUSE OF REALISM. BC2 has some very, very stupid unrealistic things about it. There may be no perks, but I don't think getting dropped down to 1% health is realistic. I don't think a shotgun has more damage at range than most assault rifles. It is a video game people, get over it.

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BC2 >>>> MW2 and thats a FACT
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[QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

demonslayer987

oh and to all thise people who argue about which game is more realistic and crap, why dont you just go to war, i hear theres no perks and once you die you dont respawn :|

no way :shock: . lol it should come across peoples minds today that no games are realistic, and imo they shouldnt be.

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BC2 >>>> MW2 and thats a FACT9mmSpliff
Opinion:lol: I believe the word you are looking for is , opinion. Thats ok, I like helping people understand things on forums.

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#24 kong_sevixnine
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In BFBC2 the whole problem is that it has a too heavy emphasis on squad play for better or for worse. Unless you know a few other people with the game, then it's not worth it. All the other players on my team felt non existent, especially when because the did their own thing (sniping) and the Assault rifles had an extremely unbelievable range. I'm surprised people haven't noticed how in (slightly minor ways) Badcompany 2 tried to copy MW -Dot sights on Assault Rifles; in BC1 it wasn't focused so much on sight aiming -Darker visual style (mw2 isn't totally war-torn, but it was more so than the 1st Bad Company) -specialties or whatever failed miserably at being perks -more places to camp BC2 is still good though.
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#25 djmusdj
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[QUOTE="shabab12"]MW2 KD:2.2 BFBC2 KD: 0.98 And i still prefer BFBC2 over the broken mess that is MW2.

Mw 2 : 2.20 bfbc2 : 1.24 obvious.
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I'll never understand why people even compare them. They are two different types of shooters altogether. MW2 is an arcade style shooter with unrealistic bonuses (and it cant be unbalanced, because everyone has access to the same perks at the same levels). BC2 is more realistic, no perks involved and focuses more on teamwork and objectives. One isn't harder than the other and one doesn't suck over the other. People just gotta chill and play what they enjoy more. Personally I like MW2 more because its faster pace and I don't have to rely on others to survive. Thats just my preference though.

KamuiFei

sorry but mw2 is the definition of unbalanced

however i play it more than bc2 because my friends have it

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#27 mitu123
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You're playing against not very well trained people, I did get 79-9 one time, but that's because they had a hard time trying to take me out.:lol:

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#28 XrossJoiint
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[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]BC2 >>>> MW2 and thats a FACTGrandJury

Opinion:lol: I believe the word you are looking for is , opinion. Thats ok, I like helping people understand things on forums.

^ lol

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#29 dkjestrup
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Well "harder" is a silly way to put it, for a multiplayer game. It's (generally) an even playing field. But it's generally looked upon as requiring more thought. There are generally two ends of the spectrum. Games like Quake/Unreal Tournament, in which the person who wins will win because they are better at aiming and have better reflexes. Then on the other end, there are games like Battlefield which take less twitch skill (although it's certainly required to be good) and more team work/tactics. Biggest problem with Battlefield BC2 is the lack of multiplayer maps and modes.
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#30 demonslayer987
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[QUOTE="demonslayer987"][QUOTE="firefluff3"]

Well because you have to work together, you can't do any quickscoping rubbish, and weapons have recoil.

Adziboy
oh and to all thise people who argue about which game is more realistic and crap, why dont you just go to war, i hear theres no perks and once you die you dont respawn :|

What about you start using your head - oh but wait, I heard you need a brain for that. Why would you even bring up going to war? Its totally irrelevent to the discussion and just makes you look ridiculous. We want it to be realistic because we dont want to go to war and be killed, for many reasons. In fact, if you're so 1337 at this game, you can go to war? Just accept that BC2 is harder than MW2.

im not the type of person that cares about things being realistic, i look at graphics and gameplay, i could care less if you get shot like 20000 times and still live, as long as the game is good like MW2
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#31 T-Machine99
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You actaully have to work well with your team to do well. If your team is just screwing around, your screwed.

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#32 demonslayer987
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Hahahaha!!! Another MW2 fanboy coming to BC2 and the first thing he notes is his kills... yeah typical...JohnF111
another BC2 fanboy getting mad because a novince got a better score then he will ever get
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#33 shadow13702
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Bc2 is alot easier then mw2 becauseMW2 has alot of cheap stuff that makes it harder to counter like killstreaks, perks, etc.

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#34 mauiboynokaoi
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Bc2 is alot easier then mw2 becauseMW2 has alot of cheap stuff that makes it harder to counter like killstreaks, perks, etc.

shadow13702

That's not making it harder IMO. Just cheaper. It's just about momentum and in MW2 you can build it up faster. At the same time though, it can be turned around just as easily.