Why GOW3 is a significant graphical upgrade to GOW2 (56k no)

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#1 Brainhunter
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God of War 3 has been slated for a 2010 March release, and with its impending release come speculations as to how truly graphically impressive the juggernaut is in comparison to its latest PS2 iteration, God Of War 2 (which, believe it or not, is a current-generation game released near the end of the PS2's lifespan). There are many doubters, and I hope this thread will clarify some points as to why GOW3 will be indeed a significant graphical upgrade to GOW2 (and not just because of HD).

1) HD Goodness. GOW3 is already impressive alone due to the increased resolution it has been bestowed within from its transition between PS2 and PS3 platforms. Less jaggies, less blurry textures, crisper game, cleaner graphics, more vibrant colours due to the increased bandwidth.

2) Increased CPU Power, which equates to increased post-processing effects, increased physics and larger AI scale. GOW3 will feature more enemies, more particle effects, more blood, more post-processing effects than its predecessor, simply due to the more powerful CPU of the PS3 platform.

3) Increased RAM = Larger Scale. More RAM means richer, crispier textures, longer draw distances, more enemies, more of everything.

And GOW Devs know how to maximize the output of Sony's PS3 architecture, due simply to one thing : They are first-party, and Sony First-Party Exclusives seem to be the only titles that know how to maximize the PS3's potential at the time of development up to the time of release. We've seen this with Heavenly Sword, then with Uncharted, then MGS4, Resistance 2's inconceivable scale of simultaneous players and enemies on screen, and with Killzone 2.

And now, let me be the first to say that God of War 3 appears to be at the very least equal, if not, superior to the CG cutscenes of God of War 2. Why? Because of the HD resolution (presumably 1080p, though 720p is good enough).

Native Gameplay 720p is at least equal to prerendered 480p videos.

Simply take a look at these screenshots :

God of War 2 Gameplay Pics (I picked what I deemed the most impressive PS2 screenshots with Kratos up close and personal)

Remarks : As you can see, GOW2 is no weak contender. It is considered by many to be the best looking title on the PS2 platform, even against XBOX titles. Even by today's standards, its visual art****is still going strong, and visually pleasing (as long as you don't play on an HDTV).

Now let's take a look at CG Cutscenes from GOW1 (I couldn't find good quality Kratos CG close-ups from GOW2):

Remarks : Not bad indeed. The CGs from GOW1 and GOW2 were truly impressive, with detailed armor, fine usage of depth of field and usage of shaders along with self-shadowing,

Now for GOW3 Kratos close-up shots (all in-game) :

Remarks 1 : Woah, hang on, WHAT?! That's in-game?! That pretty much looks like prerendered Kratos from his PS2 era right there. He even has self-shadowing and the blades hold glowy shaders, not to mention the reflective arm padding he wields, most probably due to the surrounding lights' ambient HDR lighting.

His face alone seems to possess as many, if not, more polygons than the PS2 in-game Kratos's entire body.

Remarks 2 : Even in combat, Kratos seems as detailed as ever. Note the self-shadowing on his upper torso, as well the incredible lighting used throughout this entire pic. And guess what? This is during sheer combat with more enemies than GOW2 (based on the demo), and the framerate stays at 60FPS!

Remarks 2 cc : Look at the back torchlight by the ruins on the right-side of the screen, near the pillar. It's light is reflecting and adding dynamic shadows to its surrounding.

Take a moment to look back and forth between In-Game GOW3, CG GOW1, and In-game GOW2. The generation gap is remarkable.

There is more to GOW3 than textures and graphics alone, and despite my focus on graphics, you can expect to see GOW3 surpassing its predecessors on all levels, both in story, and gameplay, as this is indeed, the final chapter of Kratos's vengeful journey across the harsh mythological lands of Ancient Greece.

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#2 G-Legend
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I agree, people don't realize how much difference there is and how much detail GoW 3 has. People should watch a real HD clipping of the game and then they'll see. The scale is huge and everything is so detailed, especially Kratos the graphics for GoW 3 are top notch for this gen, I wouldn't say the best (Uncharted 2 has that title) but they're definately up there with the best.

EDIT: The first GoW 3 pic is even more detailed than the CG GoW pictures. You can see kratos skin details, and the lighting is better too.

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#3 StealthKnife
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nice thread... gow2 has very good graphics for its time

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#4 Swift_Boss_A
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GOW3 looks amazing, I dont know why some people are saying its GOW2HD, makes no sense. I recently went back to playing GOW2 and although its great fun and the graphics look good but its nothing compard to GOW3, I too agree with you TC that GOW3 looks better then GOW2 CGI cutscenes. Kratos has never looked so detailed and the game is progressing well, cant imagine how much better its gonna be come release March 2010.
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#5 mitu123
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It really does look better than GOW2 now, lets hope it's a better game too.

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#6 Dante_May_Die
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Well to be honest i was one of those who you call saying that its God Of War 2 but in HD...Guess i was wrong because from what it seems the dev's want to have no framerate problems like most of the other games and the graphics you showed are pretty good so i guess there's no need to worry..

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I will not be purchasing GOW3. The reason: If it;s anything like the other two, I can beat the game in two afternoons, why pay $60 when I can pay $6 and get the same exact experience
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#8 TROD_BING
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Great thread! GOW3 has amazing graphics now hopefully people will stop posting about how GOW3 doesnt look any better than GOW2
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#9 G-Legend
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I will not be purchasing GOW3. The reason: If it;s anything like the other two, I can beat the game in two afternoons, why pay $60 when I can pay $6 and get the same exact experienceNuck81

But it's the last one! lol just kidding I see where you're coming from. I would do the same, but this seems like a must own just so I can play it whenever and always be able to come back to it!

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I will not be purchasing GOW3. The reason: If it;s anything like the other two, I can beat the game in two afternoons, why pay $60 when I can pay $6 and get the same exact experienceNuck81

Yeah, I hate that we have to spend $60 on a couple days worth of gaming, but GoW is not the only games guilty of that. They both have about ten hours of gameplay. That's really not that bad. I can think of tons of games I beat in less than that. Heavenly Sword I beat in just a few hours and in one sitting. Star Wars TFU I beat in six hours. Heck, MGS4 I beat in 5 hours so I could get one if its many emblems. I guess it just depends on how much fun you have in that short time. 2 afternoons worth of God of War is definitely worth it to me.

ON TOPIC: GoW3 not only looks good it will do some amazing things as well. I just hope the story plays out well.

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The God of War franchise isn't a game you are supposed to beat in a rush : you take in the scenery, immerse yourself into the mythical world the devs have created, and you enjoy the story as though you were Kratos itself. And among action games, God of War is considered to be among the lengthiest games : after all, it has next to zero content outside of its epic single-player campaign (along with some secret unlockable arenas and modes and cheats and costumes and the like). If you play the game as though you were in a race, then you are playing the wrong game to begin with : this applies to any single-player action games, like Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, Uncharted, etc. Its replay value lies in the quality of its gameplay, its enjoyable story, and its increasing difficulty modes. For rushers, multiplayer games are more appropriate : you may return to your Halo, or your Call of Duty, or your Counterstrike; Single-Player Action Titles like Uncharted or GOW or DMC are made for people who enjoy the single-player production values of the corresponding titles.
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#12 rajeev101
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God of War 3 is going to be INSANE!! Good Thread :D

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#13 Bioshockraptor
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This was a great read, thanks for this, and I agree. GOW3 looks stunning.
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#14 Duckman5
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Was there ever a doubt in this?
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#15 Sepewrath
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Was there ever a doubt in this?Duckman5
Yeah I think this topic was made in response to another tipic that claimed the opposite of this one.
The God of War franchise isn't a game you are supposed to beat in a rush : you take in the scenery, immerse yourself into the mythical world the devs have created, and you enjoy the story as though you were Kratos itself. And among action games, God of War is considered to be among the lengthiest games : after all, it has next to zero content outside of its epic single-player campaign (along with some secret unlockable arenas and modes and cheats and costumes and the like). If you play the game as though you were in a race, then you are playing the wrong game to begin with : this applies to any single-player action games, like Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, Uncharted, etc. Its replay value lies in the quality of its gameplay, its enjoyable story, and its increasing difficulty modes. For rushers, multiplayer games are more appropriate : you may return to your Halo, or your Call of Duty, or your Counterstrike; Single-Player Action Titles like Uncharted or GOW or DMC are made for people who enjoy the single-player production values of the corresponding titles.Brainhunter
I'm going to have to disagree, linear action games like this really don't invite the gamer to stop and smell the roses. The pacing pushes you ever forward to the next big fight. This one may do it slightly more because of the scale of the world but like any good hack n slash its goal is to keep pushing you to the battles. But I do agree that any game that is great is worth playing twice, so I will buy even short games because I know I will play them again. When a game is great, that is all the replay value it needs, hell I played Mario Galaxy twice in a row when I first got it, I played Uncharted like 3x in the first few months of owning it.
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#16 Freebird8877
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Yes, the graphics have improved a lot. You'd literally have to be blind to disagree. That said, GoW 2 looks amazing, also.
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#17 xmitchconnorx
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Yeah, I really don't see where people are getting there complaints from.
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#18 cheezy909
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Wow thnks 4 those comparisons GOW3 really looks impressive i cant wait for this game.
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#19 Floppy_Jim
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Good thread, it's looking far better than 1 or 2. Which people shouldn't have doubted.
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#20 Bruce_28
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Will kratos still have the god armour?!?

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#21 lukas1051
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I REALLY hope it is in 1080p, I want kratos to look badass in the highest detail.

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#22 sa10kun
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I REALLY hope it is in 1080p, I want kratos to look badass in the highest detail.

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I'd rather it play in 720 and run smoothly. I mean look at uncharted, 720 is nothing to skoff at.