Will PS3 be able to upscale DVD's to 1080p through System Update????

I was just wondering...halo2_4_pc

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Feb 18, 2007 4:41 pm GMT

Can PS3 upscale Regular DVDs to 1080p? Just Wanted to Know.halo2_4_pc

phil harrison said it will upscale dvds one day but i dont think it will upscale to 1080p, if it did then why would we have bluray. Up scale to probably to 720p would be a smart business move, leaves reason to buy bluray. And it will most likely happen when bluray is the clear winner in the format war and HDDVDs dont existwinner-ps3

I don't know. But the Elite can upscale DVD's up to 1080p right now.m3Boarder32

But we like non-defective machines. 

I don't know. But the Elite can upscale DVD's up to 1080p right now.m3Boarder32

no it can't, an upscaled DVD cannot reach 1080p, if it could there would be absolutley no need for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.  I have an Elite and I can tell you for a fact it does not upscale a standard DVD to 1080p

finally...This is the first thread I have seen where some guys addressed this issue without any ignorance...this entire "upscaling" phenomenom is one of the biggest marketing tricks of this HD era..and a ton of people fell right into it...

an 360, or a ps3, for that matter...isn't upscaling anything...its not going to break down the entire pixel count of the content, and then insert what it thinks should go there in order to turn a 640 X 480 resolution DVD into a 1920 x 1080 resolution...that is impossibly difficult...Blu Ray and HD DVD exist because of this...Your HD television has an upscaling feature, which is just like a computer moniter...you can lower the resolution of the content on your screen, and it will still fill up the screen if you chose to with the "scaling" tab in your display settings (this is default most of the time with most video cards)...that is all that is happening with "upscaling"...your HD tv will do the same thing...if your television showed a standard dvd in its native resolution it will only fill up a portion of the screen...Your tv scales it up to fill everything out...ssssoooooo...the bigger the tv, the less sharp the picture...you have no idea how good a blu ray disc looks until you watch it through a 1920 x 1080 little computer screen...it looks great on a 60" too, but its that same content upscaled to a 60" screen...and that takes a toll on how sharp everything is...obviously it is much better than a standard DVD though...

that is the most confusing thing about all this though...for some reason the companies wanted to refer to HD stuff as 1080 and 720 and I and P, etc...and none of that changes depending on how big the screen is area wise...a Sony SXRD 70" 1080p television still has the same native resolution as any normally sized computer LCD...it just has a much bigger screen size...so technically, everything is upscaled onto a 1080p tv...

 whatever is going on with a ps3 "not upconverting a dvd to 1080p" I have no idea...I know for me it depends on which tv I am using...on the SXRD the tv claims that dvd's out of the ps3 are at 1080i...and look no different than out of any other DVD player I have with that tv...one of which is 5 years old that has no "upconverting" stuff in it...my other tv is an older 36" CRT that does not have 720p...and that tv's settings claim dvd's are only coming in at 480p...that is also the case with all of my dvd players...

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]I don't know. But the Elite can upscale DVD's up to 1080p right now.rbrown3

no it can't, an upscaled DVD cannot reach 1080p, if it could there would be absolutley no need for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. I have an Elite and I can tell you for a fact it does not upscale a standard DVD to 1080p

The Elite 360 upscales DVD movies via HDMI to whatever resolution you set it to, up to 1080p...

[QUOTE="rbrown3"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]I don't know. But the Elite can upscale DVD's up to 1080p right now.m3Boarder32

no it can't, an upscaled DVD cannot reach 1080p, if it could there would be absolutley no need for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. I have an Elite and I can tell you for a fact it does not upscale a standard DVD to 1080p

The Elite 360 upscales DVD movies via HDMI to whatever resolution you set it to, up to 1080p...

 You used the correct term...but its obvious you are still confused...

the Elite does not fill in any missing pixels to make a ~640x480 image a 1920x1080 image...nor does any "upconverting" DVD player...all these devices do are "zoom in" on the standard DVDs image internally before creating the signal to be sent to your television...So the device blows that small image up to fit the size of the 1080p signal..and sends it to your tv...your tv then says "1080p signal input" or whatever...and you are effectively treated like a D'bag...

the issue is the the on screen image is no different than a standard 480p signal from any progressive scan DVD player...its just "scaled" into a different signal type...but the image quality is no different...as mentioned above, if it did "upconvert" (which probably isn't even a real word) there would be no need for a blu ray or HD DVD market...

also, this is even funnier in that your TV does this anyway...and every tv has always done this...no matter what signal comes in, your tv will upscale it to fit its borders...even a blu ray movie isn't big enough to fit anything that has a screen area bigger than ~21" or so...so the TV upscales it to fit...thats all any of this means...Your Elite is simply doing it before your TV does it...which means absolutely nothing...this whole thing was just a gimmick to get new HDTV owners to think they needed a newer DVD player to work with it...its sad that people still by into it...

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="rbrown3"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]I don't know. But the Elite can upscale DVD's up to 1080p right now.Installshield

no it can't, an upscaled DVD cannot reach 1080p, if it could there would be absolutley no need for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. I have an Elite and I can tell you for a fact it does not upscale a standard DVD to 1080p

The Elite 360 upscales DVD movies via HDMI to whatever resolution you set it to, up to 1080p...

You used the correct term...but its obvious you are still confused...

the Elite does not fill in any missing pixels to make a ~640x480 image a 1920x1080 image...nor does any "upconverting" DVD player...all these devices do are "zoom in" on the standard DVDs image internally before creating the signal to be sent to your television...So the device blows that small image up to fit the size of the 1080p signal..and sends it to your tv...your tv then says "1080p signal input" or whatever...and you are effectively treated like a D'bag...

the issue is the the on screen image is no different than a standard 480p signal from any progressive scan DVD player...its just "scaled" into a different signal type...but the image quality is no different...as mentioned above, if it did "upconvert" (which probably isn't even a real word) there would be no need for a blu ray or HD DVD market...

also, this is even funnier in that your TV does this anyway...and every tv has always done this...no matter what signal comes in, your tv will upscale it to fit its borders...even a blu ray movie isn't big enough to fit anything that has a screen area bigger than ~21" or so...so the TV upscales it to fit...thats all any of this means...Your Elite is simply doing it before your TV does it...which means absolutely nothing...this whole thing was just a gimmick to get new HDTV owners to think they needed a newer DVD player to work with it...its sad that people still by into it...

haha you can learn something from this guy eh. owned xD 

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="rbrown3"]

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]I don't know. But the Elite can upscale DVD's up to 1080p right now.Installshield

no it can't, an upscaled DVD cannot reach 1080p, if it could there would be absolutley no need for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. I have an Elite and I can tell you for a fact it does not upscale a standard DVD to 1080p

The Elite 360 upscales DVD movies via HDMI to whatever resolution you set it to, up to 1080p...

You used the correct term...but its obvious you are still confused...

the Elite does not fill in any missing pixels to make a ~640x480 image a 1920x1080 image...nor does any "upconverting" DVD player...all these devices do are "zoom in" on the standard DVDs image internally before creating the signal to be sent to your television...So the device blows that small image up to fit the size of the 1080p signal..and sends it to your tv...your tv then says "1080p signal input" or whatever...and you are effectively treated like a D'bag...

the issue is the the on screen image is no different than a standard 480p signal from any progressive scan DVD player...its just "scaled" into a different signal type...but the image quality is no different...as mentioned above, if it did "upconvert" (which probably isn't even a real word) there would be no need for a blu ray or HD DVD market...

also, this is even funnier in that your TV does this anyway...and every tv has always done this...no matter what signal comes in, your tv will upscale it to fit its borders...even a blu ray movie isn't big enough to fit anything that has a screen area bigger than ~21" or so...so the TV upscales it to fit...thats all any of this means...Your Elite is simply doing it before your TV does it...which means absolutely nothing...this whole thing was just a gimmick to get new HDTV owners to think they needed a newer DVD player to work with it...its sad that people still by into it...

Ummm no..., an upconverting/upscaling DVD player still has better PQ then a regular Progressive Scan DVD Player, sure it doesn't look as good as HD-DVD or BD obviously, but then again i never said it did...Yes a HDTV does the scaling as well, but a upscaling DVD player will still always look better on an HDTV then a regular progressive scan DVD player.

What your basically trying to tell me is, DVD's on an HDTV via PS3 look just as good as DVD's on a Toshiba HDXA2 or a Samsung BDP1200...And thats obviously BS, the XA2 and BD1200 are proabley the best upscaling DVD players on the market.

then I apologize...I have obviously been misinformed on this subject...

and now the May 24th 1.80 update allows "upconverting" of DVD's, ps1, ps2, and photos to full 1080p HD according to the articles on it...

I still don't get it though...what is it doing to make it better?  and why are the HDTVs that basically have to do this to every image not as good as some DVD players...

I do stand by what I said though...with my 60" SXRD DVD's out of my ps3 look no different to me than out of my upscaling Denon player (both of which are nothing fantastic, but also perfectly watchable...obviously BD is far better overall)...both use HDMI (to take that variable out of the argument)...the tv says the denon is a 1080p signal, and says the ps3 is a 480p signal...but I have checked numerous times, with static image quality and fast paced motion...my eyes cannot tell a difference...this 1.80 update is tomorrow...I will post if that made a difference to me...

I have just updated to 1.8 and am very disapointed. Now when I try and play a ps2 game, instead of filling up my entire screen in 480, my tv says it's running in 1080i but the image is just a square in the center of the screen. The image quality is the exact same, but now the image is a lot smaller. On top of that, durning the installation it states that some games will not even work entirely and that copyrighted DVDs (every legal copy of a movie) will not work. Thanks Sony. Isn't the whole point of "upscaling" is so that you can improve the image quality of the DVDs you rent and own legally? By doing this Sony is just begging for people to rip DVDs to remove the security and then re-burn them in order to upscale. If anyone can fix this problem with the ps2 games please let me know. These are the games that i tried and failed.

Final Fantasy XII

Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance

Shadow of the Colossus 

I have just updated to 1.8 and am very disapointed. Now when I try and play a ps2 game, instead of filling up my entire screen in 480, my tv says it's running in 1080i but the image is just a square in the center of the screen. The image quality is the exact same, but now the image is a lot smaller. On top of that, durning the installation it states that some games will not even work entirely and that copyrighted DVDs (every legal copy of a movie) will not work. Thanks Sony. Isn't the whole point of "upscaling" is so that you can improve the image quality of the DVDs you rent and own legally? By doing this Sony is just begging for people to rip DVDs to remove the security and then re-burn them in order to upscale. If anyone can fix this problem with the ps2 games please let me know. These are the games that i tried and failed.

Final Fantasy XII

Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance

Shadow of the Colossus 

Ubermensche

you have to go into game settings and change it from normal to full and also turn on the ps2 smoother

[QUOTE="Ubermensche"]

I have just updated to 1.8 and am very disapointed. Now when I try and play a ps2 game, instead of filling up my entire screen in 480, my tv says it's running in 1080i but the image is just a square in the center of the screen. The image quality is the exact same, but now the image is a lot smaller. On top of that, durning the installation it states that some games will not even work entirely and that copyrighted DVDs (every legal copy of a movie) will not work. Thanks Sony. Isn't the whole point of "upscaling" is so that you can improve the image quality of the DVDs you rent and own legally? By doing this Sony is just begging for people to rip DVDs to remove the security and then re-burn them in order to upscale. If anyone can fix this problem with the ps2 games please let me know. These are the games that i tried and failed.

Final Fantasy XII

Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance

Shadow of the Colossus

Smallville123

you have to go into game settings and change it from normal to full and also turn on the ps2 smoother

Ownt. And MGS2 should work just fine... and Shadow. 

[QUOTE="Smallville123"][QUOTE="Ubermensche"]

I have just updated to 1.8 and am very disapointed. Now when I try and play a ps2 game, instead of filling up my entire screen in 480, my tv says it's running in 1080i but the image is just a square in the center of the screen. The image quality is the exact same, but now the image is a lot smaller. On top of that, durning the installation it states that some games will not even work entirely and that copyrighted DVDs (every legal copy of a movie) will not work. Thanks Sony. Isn't the whole point of "upscaling" is so that you can improve the image quality of the DVDs you rent and own legally? By doing this Sony is just begging for people to rip DVDs to remove the security and then re-burn them in order to upscale. If anyone can fix this problem with the ps2 games please let me know. These are the games that i tried and failed.

Final Fantasy XII

Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance

Shadow of the Colossus

KaptainKernal

you have to go into game settings and change it from normal to full and also turn on the ps2 smoother

Ownt. And MGS2 should work just fine... and Shadow. 

If you do play shadow or any game that supports progressive scan (god of war I/II)turn it off since the game is now nativly outputing the game to hd. 

Damnit.

I mean, FINALLY everything I ever wanted for the PS3 to have as a feature is here, but now I do not have enough money to buy a PS3 *Whimpers*