You can still tell its a game.

One thing that I always illusioned myself in seeing from the Playstation 3 and Xbox360. Was the quality of graphics that the games were going to look; almost, or near photorealistic.

I remember first seeing this screenshot from that Oblivion game, for the 360, when it was first released. It was a picture of this forrest, showing off how the leaves and trees looked. But, i felt kind of disappointed that this isn't what i was imagining. If you gave a second look to the image. You can tell that it was generated by a computer, or in other words, it aint what i was expecting.

Then, when i first saw that MGS4 trailer. I was shocked how great this game looked. Snaked looked so real, so, movie like. I actually got so hyped up with this game graphics. But, sadly, when the real screen shots of the game finally came out. Everything didn't looked as realistic as i expected to be. Everything looked like...a video game, not like a movie.

I mean, when you look at the ground in the latest screens of the game. You can tell that the game makers just made one layer of painting, then distorted the shape of it to make it more "ground type" of feel.

Look for yourself

http://image.gamespotcdn.com/gamespot/images/2007/233/926596_20070822_screen006.jpg

Everything seems like a wallpaper. I mean, it's like you pick a wall in your house, put a wallpaper that resembles bricks, or wood. And there you have a wall made out of Bricks or wood. But when you look real close, you can still see it's fake. That's what i feel when i look at every game on the 360 and PS3. (I still laugh on how EA sports made a big ass deal on how that NFL game was going to look sooo realistic. But when the game came out, it looked like crap.)

I mean, even that Grand Turismo game. REALLY nice looking cars. But the road, the grass, EVEN THE PIT CREW look like low polygon count. Even in fight night round 3 for the PS3. Aw man, good character models. But, what the hell?? When you see their face all screwed up, the skin texture is clearly seen that it's being stretched out and blurred. The way their animation is. Their way their facial expresion is..

Makes it all look all...not real. Even though they are trying to pull that Realistic Effect.

All in all, i'm quite disappointed in this "new generation" of gaming.

TC, I'm with you. Let's wait until the PS52 comes out. Then, the world will begin to look like poor textures compared to the videogame.

skip this generation... you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer, if you only play for graphics you're missing a lot.gp19

thats a tad bit harsh... but essentially i agree.

with all the crap thats put into gamesnow (parallax shaders, HDR lighting, etc) one has to ask oneself, where does it end? where to we stop playing videogames and start playing... reality? I for one am happy when i see things like this, that help remind me that im still just in a game, a simulation, and if i die there i can just walk upstairs and get some nachos to eat. If you wanna play realistic games, then go outside and play football or airsoft.

[QUOTE="gp19"]skip this generation... you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer, if you only play for graphics you're missing a lot.ballasteve

thats a tad bit harsh... but essentially i agree.

with all the crap thats put into gamesnow (parallax shaders, HDR lighting, etc) one has to ask oneself, where does it end? where to we stop playing videogames and start playing... reality? I for one am happy when i see things like this, that help remind me that im still just in a game, a simulation, and if i die there i can just walk upstairs and get some nachos to eat. If you wanna play realistic games, then go outside and play football or airsoft.

... or better yet, join the army and play Call of Duty for real!!!

skip this generation... you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer, if you only play for graphics you're missing a lot.gp19

-Graphics

-High Defination.

Look, the gameplay will never change from the PS1 days. I haven't seen one game that has made a BIG Revolutionary step from the PS1 days. Fighting games still play the same, with the same controls. Racing games still play with the same controls and so on. Maybe Wii has done something big. But, that's a different take on the subject. I'm only talking on what Sony and Microsoft told to the public in 2005 on how games look realistic.

[QUOTE="gp19"]skip this generation... you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer, if you only play for graphics you're missing a lot.ShawDowFX

-Graphics

-High Defination.

Look, the gameplay will never change from the PS1 days. I haven't seen one game that has made a BIG Revolutionary step from the PS1 days. Fighting games still play the same, with the same controls. Racing games still play with the same controls and so on. Maybe Wii has done something big. But, that's a different take on the subject. I'm only talking on what Sony and Microsoft told to the public in 2005 on how games look realistic.

But still, you have to give them credit because games are looking A LOT better than last gen. I played a little of Resident Evil 4 last week (one of the best looking games for the PS2) and now it looks horrible, I remember the first time I played this game I was completely blown away.

[QUOTE="ShawDowFX"]

[QUOTE="gp19"]skip this generation... you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer, if you only play for graphics you're missing a lot.gp19

-Graphics

-High Defination.

Look, the gameplay will never change from the PS1 days. I haven't seen one game that has made a BIG Revolutionary step from the PS1 days. Fighting games still play the same, with the same controls. Racing games still play with the same controls and so on. Maybe Wii has done something big. But, that's a different take on the subject. I'm only talking on what Sony and Microsoft told to the public in 2005 on how games look realistic.

But still, you have to give them credit because games are looking A LOT better than last gen. I played a little of Resident Evil 4 last week (one of the best looking games for the PS2) and now it looks horrible, I remember the first time I played this game I was completely blown away.

What happened to that? Why they have to hype us up with this "reality graphics", when they can't even pull them off? I think, game will look better, but wont take any major leaps from what we see now. For example, FFX compared to FF12. The textures looked a bit better, but, nothing breath taking.

Oh, that crysis and Bioshock game? The only thing i see in those games are better shadowing and abstract coloring. Bioshock Environment looks great, but the monsters still doesn't give me that "oh wow, that looks real!"

[QUOTE="gp19"][QUOTE="ShawDowFX"]

[QUOTE="gp19"]skip this generation... you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer, if you only play for graphics you're missing a lot.ShawDowFX

-Graphics

-High Defination.

Look, the gameplay will never change from the PS1 days. I haven't seen one game that has made a BIG Revolutionary step from the PS1 days. Fighting games still play the same, with the same controls. Racing games still play with the same controls and so on. Maybe Wii has done something big. But, that's a different take on the subject. I'm only talking on what Sony and Microsoft told to the public in 2005 on how games look realistic.

But still, you have to give them credit because games are looking A LOT better than last gen. I played a little of Resident Evil 4 last week (one of the best looking games for the PS2) and now it looks horrible, I remember the first time I played this game I was completely blown away.

What happened to that? Why they have to hype us up with this "reality graphics", when they can't even pull them off? I think, game will look better, but wont take any major leaps from what we see now. For example, FFX compared to FF12. The textures looked a bit better, but, nothing breath taking.

Oh, that crysis and Bioshock game? The only thing i see in those games are better shadowing and abstract coloring. Bioshock Environment looks great, but the monsters still doesn't give me that "oh wow, that looks real!"

dont you understand? what makes graphics graphics is how light hits them and reflects color off of them! you just proved yourself wrong by saying that. the real major place graphics can really go now is for better shadows, colors, and lighting. and perhaps some more AA, but thats besides the point.

[QUOTE="ShawDowFX"][QUOTE="gp19"][QUOTE="ShawDowFX"]

[QUOTE="gp19"]skip this generation... you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer, if you only play for graphics you're missing a lot.ballasteve

-Graphics

-High Defination.

Look, the gameplay will never change from the PS1 days. I haven't seen one game that has made a BIG Revolutionary step from the PS1 days. Fighting games still play the same, with the same controls. Racing games still play with the same controls and so on. Maybe Wii has done something big. But, that's a different take on the subject. I'm only talking on what Sony and Microsoft told to the public in 2005 on how games look realistic.

But still, you have to give them credit because games are looking A LOT better than last gen. I played a little of Resident Evil 4 last week (one of the best looking games for the PS2) and now it looks horrible, I remember the first time I played this game I was completely blown away.

What happened to that? Why they have to hype us up with this "reality graphics", when they can't even pull them off? I think, game will look better, but wont take any major leaps from what we see now. For example, FFX compared to FF12. The textures looked a bit better, but, nothing breath taking.

Oh, that crysis and Bioshock game? The only thing i see in those games are better shadowing and abstract coloring. Bioshock Environment looks great, but the monsters still doesn't give me that "oh wow, that looks real!"

dont you understand? what makes graphics graphics is how light hits them and reflects color off of them! you just proved yourself wrong by saying that. thereal majorplace graphics can really go now is for better shadows, colors, and lighting. and perhaps some more AA, but thats besides the point.

Right now, when you look at the skin textures and when the camera gets real close to the character. Why does the skin texture seems to get blurry and weird. Please tell me?

In Heavenly sword, the makers have taken a good step in makeing the facial expressions as close as it is to reality. Even the mouth moves exactly when they talk. But, the lips, the way the cheeks on the face react to some certain words. Makes it look like it isn't real.

I mean, compare that to Final Fantasy Advent Children? Why could they make the facial expression look better and react better?

[QUOTE="ballasteve"][QUOTE="ShawDowFX"][QUOTE="gp19"][QUOTE="ShawDowFX"]

[QUOTE="gp19"]skip this generation... you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer, if you only play for graphics you're missing a lot.ShawDowFX

-Graphics

-High Defination.

Look, the gameplay will never change from the PS1 days. I haven't seen one game that has made a BIG Revolutionary step from the PS1 days. Fighting games still play the same, with the same controls. Racing games still play with the same controls and so on. Maybe Wii has done something big. But, that's a different take on the subject. I'm only talking on what Sony and Microsoft told to the public in 2005 on how games look realistic.

But still, you have to give them credit because games are looking A LOT better than last gen. I played a little of Resident Evil 4 last week (one of the best looking games for the PS2) and now it looks horrible, I remember the first time I played this game I was completely blown away.

What happened to that? Why they have to hype us up with this "reality graphics", when they can't even pull them off? I think, game will look better, but wont take any major leaps from what we see now. For example, FFX compared to FF12. The textures looked a bit better, but, nothing breath taking.

Oh, that crysis and Bioshock game? The only thing i see in those games are better shadowing and abstract coloring. Bioshock Environment looks great, but the monsters still doesn't give me that "oh wow, that looks real!"

dont you understand? what makes graphics graphics is how light hits them and reflects color off of them! you just proved yourself wrong by saying that. thereal majorplace graphics can really go now is for better shadows, colors, and lighting. and perhaps some more AA, but thats besides the point.

Right now, when you look at the skin textures and when the camera gets real close to the character. Why does the skin texture seems to get blurry and weird. Please tell me?

In Heavenly sword, the makers have taken a good step in makeing the facial expressions as close as it is to reality. Even the mouth moves exactly when they talk. But, the lips, the way the cheeks on the face react to some certain words. Makes it look like it isn't real.

I mean, compare that to Final Fantasy Advent Children? Why could they make the facial expression look better and react better?

[QUOTE="ballasteve"][QUOTE="ShawDowFX"][QUOTE="gp19"][QUOTE="ShawDowFX"]

[QUOTE="gp19"]skip this generation... you don't deserve to call yourself a gamer, if you only play for graphics you're missing a lot.ShawDowFX

-Graphics

-High Defination.

Look, the gameplay will never change from the PS1 days. I haven't seen one game that has made a BIG Revolutionary step from the PS1 days. Fighting games still play the same, with the same controls. Racing games still play with the same controls and so on. Maybe Wii has done something big. But, that's a different take on the subject. I'm only talking on what Sony and Microsoft told to the public in 2005 on how games look realistic.

But still, you have to give them credit because games are looking A LOT better than last gen. I played a little of Resident Evil 4 last week (one of the best looking games for the PS2) and now it looks horrible, I remember the first time I played this game I was completely blown away.

What happened to that? Why they have to hype us up with this "reality graphics", when they can't even pull them off? I think, game will look better, but wont take any major leaps from what we see now. For example, FFX compared to FF12. The textures looked a bit better, but, nothing breath taking.

Oh, that crysis and Bioshock game? The only thing i see in those games are better shadowing and abstract coloring. Bioshock Environment looks great, but the monsters still doesn't give me that "oh wow, that looks real!"

dont you understand? what makes graphics graphics is how light hits them and reflects color off of them! you just proved yourself wrong by saying that. thereal majorplace graphics can really go now is for better shadows, colors, and lighting. and perhaps some more AA, but thats besides the point.

Right now, when you look at the skin textures and when the camera gets real close to the character. Why does the skin texture seems to get blurry and weird. Please tell me?

In Heavenly sword, the makers have taken a good step in makeing the facial expressions as close as it is to reality. Even the mouth moves exactly when they talk. But, the lips, the way the cheeks on the face react to some certain words. Makes it look like it isn't real.

I mean, compare that to Final Fantasy Advent Children? Why could they make the facial expression look better and react better?

animation, physics, reaction to certain objects,and better ai are not graphical properties. youre crying because ps3 didnt give you the GRAPHICS you wanted. maybe if you had actually read my post, you would know that. skin that looks like real skin comes from lighting certain areas, and polygons like the poster before me said. but the point is the lighting. Muscle movement is not graphical either. i believe it deals with physics just as much as all the rest.

lets go back to the skin, the only part of your last post which is supportive all of your previous posts, instead of going on a "lets look at all the flaws videogames have" rant. to make skin pockmarked, what does it look like? it has certain shadows in certain places. therefore, light and shadows. what makes skin red, green, white, black, blue? the way light is reflecting off it (and in some cases, blood, but again, physics, and that still deals with the light)

i never said light and shadows were the ONLY things that make a game realistic, i simply said that light and shadows play a HUMONGOUS part in making photorealistic games. look at the advances in HDR and particle effects, making colors extend beyond thier defined borders? enabling HDR or even Bloom lighting in a normal game makes the game look about 10 to 15x better than before.

next.

In my opinion, it's not that the graphics are bad, its that the animations aren't up to par yet. You can have photorealistic graphics but if you dont have real life realistic motions than it still looks fake.

By the way, the UFC game's graphics look Horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible, so funny. Looks like everyone is made out of wood, and covered in oil.

In my opinion, it's not that the graphics are bad, its that the animations aren't up to par yet. You can have photorealistic graphics but if you dont have real life realistic motions than it still looks fake.

By the way, the UFC game's graphics look Horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible, so funny. Looks like everyone is made out of wood, and covered in oil.

Rhetorix