You'll need to explain Bayonetta to me.

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#1 NeoMerlin
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Bayonetta was a game that slipped under my radar entirely. I'd heard about it and had a general idea of what it was like but there's a big pile of things I'm more interested in like Red Dead Redemption and the Splatter House remake. Of course Bayonetta is one of those games you can't escape even if you want to because there wass just that much hype. I saw some video, noticed Gamespot gave it a score of 8, and I read a review from a trusted source. The game sounded stylish, that much was clear.

So I logged onto the PSN store and downloaded the bayonetta demo. After discovering the "dodge everything" button and the "shoot" button I breezed through the demo and came to one conclusion. Someone looked at Devil May Cry and said "Do you know what this game needs? More naked women." Thus Bayonetta.

Now I can't say I entirely disagree with that opinion. There was a distinct lack of women taking off their clothes to perform super moves in Devil May Cry but of all the things you could have improved upon with Devil May Cry, this seems like an odd focus.

Devil May Cry was fun the first couple of times before it got a little stale and Dante's brooding stopped being adorable. But one thing Devil May Cry never was was great. From what I've seen Bayonetta is more stylish, more interesting to look at, and the boss fights slightly more interesting. But the key places where we could have improved this game like camera angles, general button mashy game play have been unaltered, and requiring me to stop watching Spongebob to win a fight.

Bayonetta doesn't seem like a bad game but apart from an interesting butterfly motif running through it, nothing is really standing out for me with this game except a strange feeling that I've done it all before. So as I click the delete button and watch the demo disappear, I'm in no way driven to pay any more attention to this bland and uninspired release.

Or am I missing something big here?

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#2 ViewtifulScott
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Dude, if it doesn't appeal to you, it doesn't appeal to you. It really doesn't matter at all. You aren't obligated to be excited for and look forward to the same games as other people do, and just because a bunch of people like a game and you do not, that doesn't make your view particularly special or strange at all. You have an opinion, congratulations.
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#3 chatri10
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I agree with you. IMO, Bayonetta is hugely overrated like Halo for the fpsand Madden for sports.

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#4 NeoMerlin
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Dude, if it doesn't appeal to you, it doesn't appeal to you. It really doesn't matter at all. You aren't obligated to be excited for and look forward to the same games as other people do, and just because a bunch of people like a game and you do not, that doesn't make your view particularly special or strange at all. You have an opinion, congratulations.ViewtifulScott
I was hoping someone with more experience in the game, ie. owning it, would point out what about it earns it a score of 8.

While you make a perfectly valid point, "You have to like that style of game" doesn't seem like a good reason for it to get such a high score.

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Dude, if it doesn't appeal to you, it doesn't appeal to you. It really doesn't matter at all. You aren't obligated to be excited for and look forward to the same games as other people do, and just because a bunch of people like a game and you do not, that doesn't make your view particularly special or strange at all. You have an opinion, congratulations.ViewtifulScott
I agree. Was it worth this big useless post to say you don't care for a game? No one will be able to convince you otherwise by saying they like it, or period for that matter. You've played the demo and made up your mind. I appears you are just garnering for attention and looking for someone to agree with you.... btw, The reason it got an 8 maybe, just maybe might be in the review associated with that rating. But what do I know....
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#6 ViewtifulScott
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I was hoping someone with more experience in the game, ie. owning it, would point out what about it earns it a score of 8. While you make a perfectly valid point, "You have to like that style of game" doesn't seem like a good reason for it to get such a high score.NeoMerlin
Reviewers tend to hide the reason for the score in what is known as "the review text". Have you tried looking at that?

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#7 amoremono1
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I agree with you. IMO, Bayonetta is hugely overrated like Halo for the fpsand Madden for sports.

chatri10

Cheers to the one person who posted an opinion and not a bashing of the op for posting the question!!

I was wondering the same thing, after playing the demo....One thing I read in reviews was that the 360 version might be much better in terms of speed and playability, but Ive been curious as well to know what ps3 players thought of that version....

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If your not interested in it, then don't bother with it

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Devil May Cry was fun the first couple of times before it got a little stale and Dante's brooding stopped being adorable.

NeoMerlin



maybe it was to long since I played DMC but when is dante brooding?

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#10 sensfanVone
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[QUOTE="NeoMerlin"]

Devil May Cry was fun the first couple of times before it got a little stale and Dante's brooding stopped being adorable.

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maybe it was to long since I played DMC but when is dante brooding?

Yeah, Dante never brooded, he was a smart ass the entirety of all 4 games.

Question whether this dude even played DMC.

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#11 NeoMerlin
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:D Sorry guys. I saw gamespot forum and assumed this was a place for dicussion of video games. My bad! I'll try not to make the mistake of starting conversations about video games in the future.

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Bayonetta was a game that slipped under my radar entirely. I'd heard about it and had a general idea of what it was like but there's a big pile of things I'm more interested in like Red Dead Redemption and the Splatter House remake. Of course Bayonetta is one of those games you can't escape even if you want to because there wass just that much hype. I saw some video, noticed Gamespot gave it a score of 8, and I read a review from a trusted source. The game sounded stylish, that much was clear.

So I logged onto the PSN store and downloaded the bayonetta demo. After discovering the "dodge everything" button and the "shoot" button I breezed through the demo and came to one conclusion. Someone looked at Devil May Cry and said "Do you know what this game needs? More naked women." Thus Bayonetta.

Now I can't say I entirely disagree with that opinion. There was a distinct lack of women taking off their clothes to perform super moves in Devil May Cry but of all the things you could have improved upon with Devil May Cry, this seems like an odd focus.

Devil May Cry was fun the first couple of times before it got a little stale and Dante's brooding stopped being adorable. But one thing Devil May Cry never was was great. From what I've seen Bayonetta is more stylish, more interesting to look at, and the boss fights slightly more interesting. But the key places where we could have improved this game like camera angles, general button mashy game play have been unaltered, and requiring me to stop watching Spongebob to win a fight.

Bayonetta doesn't seem like a bad game but apart from an interesting butterfly motif running through it, nothing is really standing out for me with this game except a strange feeling that I've done it all before. So as I click the delete button and watch the demo disappear, I'm in no way driven to pay any more attention to this bland and uninspired release.

Or am I missing something big here?

NeoMerlin

Uninspired. You could say that about all hack and slash games - in fact, this is why these games are put into this genre,because they all have the same basic foundation: hacking and slashing.

That said, it's an incredibly creative take on the genre, not gameplay-wise, but everything else-wise. Sure, it's just another hack and slash game, as is all of them, but like you said, it's got its own unique sense of style and it's nice to look at. The theme, character design and overall creativity is different.

Honestly, if you've played Devil May Cry (which I haven't) then I'm pretty sure you've played Bayonetta. The core gameplay is the same, with some small tweaks here and there, but nothing too drastic. The only thing I see that's really different from other games of the same genre is the dodging, which when done at the right time, sends you into slow motion. Not a huge change, but just another small thing to help set the game apart.

Keep in mind that the man behind Devil May Cry is also the father of Bayonetta, so their similar gameplay is almost a given.

Also, the camera angle in this game is fine because you have full control of it. You can also speed it up sensitivity, if that's what you meant.

As for button mashy gameplay, again, that's a given considering which genre we're talking about. Just like fighting games, button mashing may be good at one point, but sometime down the road, it isn't going to help you if you don't know what you're doing because certain situations call for certain combos.

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Devil May Cry would be a hack-and-slash game. Bayonetta would be a hack-and-summon-demons-while-stripping-off-your-clothes-made-of-hair-with-guns-on-your-feet-and-slash game. Like Scianix said, the conventional hack-and-slash mechanics are there, except with a lot of polish and flare added to it. It's everything that the genre's been pretty much accumulating up until now - everything collaborating into a single game.
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#14 Scianix-Black
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Devil May Cry would be a hack-and-slash game.

Bayonetta would be a hack-and-summon-demons-while-stripping-off-your-clothes-made-of-hair-with-guns-on-your-feet-and-slash game.hazelnutman

Perfect tl;dr version of what I said.

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Bayonetta is my favorite console game in a long long time, its actually directed by the director of Resident Evil 2, Devil May Cry 1, Okami, Viewtiful Joe, so yeah...

If you want to know what makes it fun, well there are many different weapons, lots of stuff to unlock, cool short cutscenes during combat that make you feel badass, good fun combat, much more challenging than the demo, the pacing is second to none (overall its very fast paced and always has huge boss like battles), environments are always interesting, and there are a bunch of sections that change up the core gameplay so that it never feels stale.