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http://fortune.com/2017/11/14/climate-change-scientists-second-notice-save-planet/

Get working people!

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The things you can actually affect:

1. Make no kids

2. Live vegan

3. Do not use a car and do not take a plane

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@ArchoNils2 said:

The things you can actually affect:

1. Make no kids

2. Live vegan

3. Do not use a car and do not take a plane

I dont think it has to be anything quite as radical. If every person just reduces their waste by 5%, that's a reasonable first step.

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@ArchoNils2 said:

The things you can actually affect:

1. Make no kids

2. Live vegan

3. Do not use a car and do not take a plane

But....bacon..!

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1. Fertility

We need to stop having so many kids, ideally limiting our reproduction to “replacement level at most.” That means one or two children, on average.

2. Diet and food waste

We need to stop wasting so much food, given the environmental impacts of food production. As the worst environmental impacts come from farming ruminants such as cattle and sheep, the scientists also recommend a shift towards “mostly plant-based foods.”

3. Buy green

We need to pay more attention to the things we buy and invest in, to make sure that they “encourage positive environmental change.”

4. Nature appreciation

People are increasingly living in cities, so they need to retain some connection with nature. The experts recommend “increasing outdoor nature education for children, as well as the overall engagement of society in the appreciation of nature.”

And here are the recommendations for policy-makers:

5. Environmentally aware economies

We need to revise our economies “to reduce wealth inequality and ensure that prices, taxation, and incentive systems take into account the real costs which consumption patterns impose on our environment,” the scientists said, adding: “We must recognize, in our day-to-day lives and in our governing institutions, that Earth with all its life is our only home.”

6. More nature reserves

We need to establish a lot more “well-funded and well-managed” reserves to protect species in the sea and fresh water, in the air and on land.

7. Stop wiping out ecosystems

We need to stop converting forests, grasslands and other native habitats, and we need to restore plant communities that have already been slashed, “particularly forest landscapes.” Forests, lest we forget, aren’t just essential homes to many species; they also absorb greenhouse gases. Also, we need to re-wild certain areas.

8. Stop wiping out animal species

We’re undergoing the sixth mass extinction event in Earth’s history. To fight it, we need to fight poaching and the “exploitation and trade of threatened species.”

9. Green technologies

Fossil fuel-based energy production needs to stop getting subsidized, and we need massive investment in and adoption of renewable energy sources.

One notable aspect of the letter was the fact that it avoided spelling out the doomier scenarios that we face if we don’t change tack.

A separate paper published on Monday proposed what the authors said was a more accurate way of measuring global warming than those we currently use. And unfortunately, they said, it looks like our existing estimates have been underplaying how much warming is currently taking place, leaving us less time than we thought to achieve the targets set out in the Paris Climate Agreement.

Policy-makers from around the world are currently meeting in Bonn, Germany, under the auspices of the United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP 23). The U.S. did not send a formal delegation, but it did send delegates to a side event where they were derided for promoting “clean coal” as a way to reduce carbon emissions.

I'll post some thoughts on this in a little bit, but I thought it would be helpful to have the list posted here.

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The planet has been hit by meteors more powerful than anything we can throw at it. We do not need to "save the planet" because we can't destroy it.

Dumb article.

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#7  Edited By horgen  Moderator
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@n64dd: I think they mean save as in not making it uninhabitable for us.

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So my main sum up for these suggestions is to do so by working with human nature as opposed to going against it. My suggestions, if I have anything to add, are listed below next to each suggestion.

1. Fertility - My solution for this is birth control useage and making it available. Not much more to say really.

We need to stop having so many kids, ideally limiting our reproduction to “replacement level at most.” That means one or two children, on average.

2. Diet and food waste - I mentioned this in another thread, but the expectation that people will become vegetarians (which I know isn't exactly what's being suggested) is an unrealistic expecation. Lab grown meat, which isn't yet perfected, would be a smarter solution as it would use less resources and reduce green house gas emitions.

We need to stop wasting so much food, given the environmental impacts of food production. As the worst environmental impacts come from farming ruminants such as cattle and sheep, the scientists also recommend a shift towards “mostly plant-based foods.”

3. Buy green - Work to make green products more cost effective than the alternatives.

We need to pay more attention to the things we buy and invest in, to make sure that they “encourage positive environmental change.”

4. Nature appreciation - cool

People are increasingly living in cities, so they need to retain some connection with nature. The experts recommend “increasing outdoor nature education for children, as well as the overall engagement of society in the appreciation of nature.”

And here are the recommendations for policy-makers:

5. Environmentally aware economies -agreed

We need to revise our economies “to reduce wealth inequality and ensure that prices, taxation, and incentive systems take into account the real costs which consumption patterns impose on our environment,” the scientists said, adding: “We must recognize, in our day-to-day lives and in our governing institutions, that Earth with all its life is our only home.”

6. More nature reserves- yup

We need to establish a lot more “well-funded and well-managed” reserves to protect species in the sea and fresh water, in the air and on land.

7. Stop wiping out ecosystems - yes

We need to stop converting forests, grasslands and other native habitats, and we need to restore plant communities that have already been slashed, “particularly forest landscapes.” Forests, lest we forget, aren’t just essential homes to many species; they also absorb greenhouse gases. Also, we need to re-wild certain areas.

8. Stop wiping out animal species - I think that there's a big argument to legalize farming of regularly poached animals. Telling people to just stop isn't working, but sustainable farming of rhinos for example would increase numbers, decrease the price of their horns, and thus decrease the desire to kill wild rhinos in the first place. We should also work to educate people on what these sorts of products actually do (nothing).

We’re undergoing the sixth mass extinction event in Earth’s history. To fight it, we need to fight poaching and the “exploitation and trade of threatened species.”

9. Green technologies - spot on. Help people currently in energy production move to the new forms of energy while we're at it.

Fossil fuel-based energy production needs to stop getting subsidized, and we need massive investment in and adoption of renewable energy sources.

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@n64dd said:

The planet has been hit by meteors more powerful than anything we can throw at it. We do not need to "save the planet" because we can't destroy it.

Dumb article.

when people say "save the planet" they don't literally mean it's going to get destroyed or become a barren, lifeless mass.

they are referring to its capacity to effectively support an ever-growing population of people.

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The first step that needs to be taken is controlling fertility rates globally. To do this the more important factor is empowering women with the right to control their own reproductive system and provide safe and easy access to contraception and family planning. If we can control an exploding population then we can more easily tackle other issues around consumption.

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@HoolaHoopMan said:

The first step that needs to be taken is controlling fertility rates globally. To do this the more important factor is empowering women with the right to control their own reproductive system and provide safe and easy access to contraception and family planning. If we can control an exploding population then we can more easily tackle other issues around consumption.

You forget making sex not so god darn enjoyable.

Because that is pretty much the biggest problem and much bigger than anything you mentioned.

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@Jacanuk: Birth control?

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The planet will be fine, it's all of us living on it that will have some issues

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@horgen said:

@Jacanuk: Birth control?

Not 100% sure and in the heat of the moment , things like that is not on anyones mind.

Also especially in 3rd world countries they cant afford it and their fertiliity is high.

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@Jacanuk said:
@horgen said:

@Jacanuk: Birth control?

Not 100% sure and in the heat of the moment , things like that is not on anyones mind.

Also especially in 3rd world countries they cant afford it and their fertiliity is high.

You don't need something that is 100%, but if easily accessible to most/all women, it would reduce birthrates. Also make education available to more people.

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@Jacanuk said:
@HoolaHoopMan said:

The first step that needs to be taken is controlling fertility rates globally. To do this the more important factor is empowering women with the right to control their own reproductive system and provide safe and easy access to contraception and family planning. If we can control an exploding population then we can more easily tackle other issues around consumption.

You forget making sex not so god darn enjoyable.

Because that is pretty much the biggest problem and much bigger than anything you mentioned.

Sometimes I can't tell if you're actually being serious.

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#17  Edited By Jacanuk
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@horgen said:
@Jacanuk said:
@horgen said:

@Jacanuk: Birth control?

Not 100% sure and in the heat of the moment , things like that is not on anyones mind.

Also especially in 3rd world countries they cant afford it and their fertiliity is high.

You don't need something that is 100%, but if easily accessible to most/all women, it would reduce birthrates. Also make education available to more people.

Sure if it's more accessible it will help. But still problem is the 3rd world.

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@Jacanuk said:

Sure if it's more accessible it will help. But still problem is the 3rd world.

Hopefully we will help them out of poverty and the problem will solve itself... Although that adds an extreme increase in consumption of this and that...

But hey, western world is doing their job. Norway would be declining if not for immigration. So is the case for a few other countries here as well I believe. Japan has a negative population growth now, I think.

Sure would be better if we got India in on it.. And some African countries. The estimates are that some of those countries will "explode" in population over the next 50 years or so. Nigeria (I think) is estimated to reach 500mill population before US does. And that country doesn't even have 200mill people yet, compared to the 320-ish mill US have atm.

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@horgen said:
@Jacanuk said:

Sure if it's more accessible it will help. But still problem is the 3rd world.

Hopefully we will help them out of poverty and the problem will solve itself... Although that adds an extreme increase in consumption of this and that...

But hey, western world is doing their job. Norway would be declining if not for immigration. So is the case for a few other countries here as well I believe. Japan has a negative population growth now, I think.

Sure would be better if we got India in on it.. And some African countries. The estimates are that some of those countries will "explode" in population over the next 50 years or so. Nigeria (I think) is estimated to reach 500mill population before US does. And that country doesn't even have 200mill people yet, compared to the 320-ish mill US have atm.

Ya , but i doubt we can help them. Most of Africa is in more poverty now than ever and that is after 40 years of the west pumping cash into it. i think it has to be done solo by themselves like in China and India.

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@Jacanuk said:

Ya , but i doubt we can help them. Most of Africa is in more poverty now than ever and that is after 40 years of the west pumping cash into it. i think it has to be done solo by themselves like in China and India.

The west have not asked for results(at leaset Norway never dared to do so), so those countries had no incentive to improve. The leaders kept most of it for themselves.

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Step 11......remove trump from office.

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@sonicare said:
@ArchoNils2 said:

The things you can actually affect:

1. Make no kids

2. Live vegan

3. Do not use a car and do not take a plane

I dont think it has to be anything quite as radical. If every person just reduces their waste by 5%, that's a reasonable first step.

For many I don't think there is much problem in reducing food waste with 50%. Don't know status quo in US, but in Norway, the average household throws away a surprising amount of food. 20% or so it is I think.

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@goodzorr said:
@ArchoNils2 said:

The things you can actually affect:

1. Make no kids

2. Live vegan

3. Do not use a car and do not take a plane

But....bacon..!

bacon is ok, Pork, Chicken and Fish are less environmentally damaging to produce compared to beef and lamb/mutton

beef is by far the worst from what I have heard

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@with_teeth26 said:
@goodzorr said:
@ArchoNils2 said:

The things you can actually affect:

1. Make no kids

2. Live vegan

3. Do not use a car and do not take a plane

But....bacon..!

bacon is ok, Pork, Chicken and Fish are less environmentally damaging to produce compared to beef and lamb/mutton

beef is by far the worst from what I have heard

Beef and Bacon are two things you will drag out of my cold dead hands.

The environment can go fudge itself before i will ever not eat that :D

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@Jacanuk: its only certain parts of africa that are poor, they do have cities over there. Mostly in south africa I think

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@Celsius765 said:

@Jacanuk: its only certain parts of africa that are poor, they do have cities over there. Mostly in south africa I think

Yup sure there is some nice areas but its few compared to the poor areas.

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@ArchoNils2 said:

The things you can actually affect:

2. Live vegan

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Wow, an environmentally friendly future sounds like unobtainable pipe dream.

Lets find another planet.

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@Jacanuk: its not surprising, some of those countries aren't even 100 years old yet. Corruption will be high till they mature. Even the US could be considered an immature brat in its current state. Add to that how hot dry the continent is in so many places. If reforestation is possible it needs to be done.

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Basically there are too many of us & it's completely unsustainable to live the way we do, as in burning fossil fuels and eating as much animal-based food as we do.

I know it will never happen, but we really should introduce laws or at least encourage people to have less kids. Should be like a maximum of 2 limit. People who have more than that, maybe get taxed more or something. I know it's a harsh measure, but we need to get real here.

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Alaska is currently debating or maybe post debate now about allowing a mining company to work in the vicinity of the largest salmon spawning ground in the US. Would be incredibly stupid - both environmentally but also economically as the money from the fish far trumps that of the mine.

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Those steps are so vague and general that you might as well reduce it down to one step-"Save the Planet".

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@sonicare said:

Alaska is currently debating or maybe post debate now about allowing a mining company to work in the vicinity of the largest salmon spawning ground in the US. Would be incredibly stupid - both environmentally but also economically as the money from the fish far trumps that of the mine.

Didn't the republicans just vote to allow drilling up there?

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#34  Edited By deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sonicare said:

Alaska is currently debating or maybe post debate now about allowing a mining company to work in the vicinity of the largest salmon spawning ground in the US. Would be incredibly stupid - both environmentally but also economically as the money from the fish far trumps that of the mine.

Didn't the republicans just vote to allow drilling up there?

Was it a vote or was it the EPA under trumpster's guy?

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@sonicare said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@sonicare said:

Alaska is currently debating or maybe post debate now about allowing a mining company to work in the vicinity of the largest salmon spawning ground in the US. Would be incredibly stupid - both environmentally but also economically as the money from the fish far trumps that of the mine.

Didn't the republicans just vote to allow drilling up there?

Was it a vote or was it the EPA under trumpster's guy?

I thought it was vote but I'm not sure. I was working at the time and didn't catch it all.

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#36 Skarwolf
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Planet doesn’t need saving all fake efforts to do anything are only grifting the population. For example Canadas carbon tax.