Can President Biden do another term?

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#1 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Headlines from yesterday were fairly interesting to see across the twittersphere following a Washington Post-ABC News poll. The numbers are fairly rough for President Biden which begs the question, is this an outlier that can be remedied or is this the start of the end with less less than a year and a half to go until the next election? We know polling has its issues at times so I'm not sure the doom-and-gloom mindset will be fruitful for Republicans seeing this polling with so much time left remaining, but it does appear to have the news cooking with the headlines.

If Biden can't do another term (which I would be surprised if he could), who will replace him on the Democratic ticket?

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Washington Post: Biden faces broad negative ratings at start of campaign, Post-ABC poll finds. The president’s approval ratings slip to a new low, more Americans than not doubt his mental acuity, and his support against leading GOP challengers is far shakier than at this point four years ago.

ABC: Broad doubts about Biden’s age and acuity spell Republican opportunity in 2024. A broad 68% of Americans say the president is too old for another term.

NBC News: New poll the latest to show Biden's approval at all-time low. A new poll gives Biden low marks on the economy and on mental fitness to serve as president.

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Some of the more interesting tidbits I saw:

  • 36% approval rating for Biden;
  • majority stated (56-54%) Trump should be facing criminal charges for the following three (3) areas, 2020 election overturning, capital rioting, and handling of classified documents;
  • a plurality for Trump 44 > 38 (Biden) when it comes to voting for the next President;
  • 63% state Biden doesn't have the mental sharpness to be President;
  • 62% say he's not in the physical health to be President;
  • 54% (Trump) > 36% (Biden) when it comes to handling of the US economy.

What do you guys think?

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#2 Vaasman
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If the right is just going to put indicted criminal Orange Julius up as the only other option I'll gladly vote him back in. They can parade him around Weekend at Bernie's style for all I care.

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Beats who the GOP are pushing.

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#4 Planeforger
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Does it really matter?

People aren't voting for Biden, they're voting *against* Trump and DeSantis. The Republican candidates are so deeply reviled that they'll make any of their opponents look great in comparison.

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#5  Edited By MysticalDonut  Online
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Kennedy is looking pretty good right about now.

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#6  Edited By InEMplease
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Even if he croaks I'm not too worried., hell it might bring people together.

@Planeforger said:

Does it really matter?

People aren't voting for Biden, they're voting *against* Trump

and this totally.

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#7 LJS9502_basic
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@mysticaldonut: He's a conspiracy theorists. Doesn't live up to his name.

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@LJS9502_basic: I don't agree with everything he says but that should be expected with any candidate. I would rather he be in office than Biden, Trump or DeSantis.

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I think the negative ratings are more of a general "dude, time to retire" and less to do with any specific failing.

Biden has, by all objective metrics, done a pretty good job. Not great, just...good enough. Especially given the obstacles he has faced.

With that said, and as others have said, this isn't about Biden, it's about keeping Trump out of office at this point. It should also be noted that Trump is 76 so, really...not much difference. 80 year old Democrat that wants to do good or a 76 year old MAGA nutjob that wants to destroy the government? Your choice.

Also, sadly, the Democrats don't really have anyone else right now.

I mean this is really why we need more than two parties. Yes I've heard all the excuses for why we only have two serious parties, I don't buy them.

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#10  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@mysticaldonut said:

@LJS9502_basic: I don't agree with everything he says but that should be expected with any candidate. I would rather he be in office than Biden, Trump or DeSantis.

RFK Jr is saying what he has to say to win votes and favor.

He is also fairly bonkers with his conspiracy beliefs and, as a result of that, unfit for office imo.

If he wasn't a Kennedy, he wouldn't be where he is.

With that said...he is not entirely unappealing, especially given the three choices of Biden, Trump, or DeSantis.

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@mysticaldonut said:

@LJS9502_basic: I don't agree with everything he says but that should be expected with any candidate. I would rather he be in office than Biden, Trump or DeSantis.

I'd rather not have conspiracy theorists in charge. They tend to ignore facts.

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People who supported Trump back in 2016, despite his clear lack of qualifications, told me that anyone with the right group of people could do the job of being president. Biden is unexciting to me, and he's old, but he's doing alright. He'll likely continue to do alright in a second term. Don't know if he will get a second term, but he would do alright at it.

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#13  Edited By tjandmia
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Sure. Why wouldn’t he be capable of another term?

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Biden has proven himself to be competent. Republicans have been insisting he's senile since he started his first campaign, and they'll continue while he's still doing well during his second campaign.

The boy who cried wolf.

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#15 Planeforger
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

  • 62% say he's not in the physical health to be President;

This part is also interesting, because Biden is presumably a lot healthier than his rival.

Biden is 80, but he seems to be in relatively good physical condition for his age. Meanwhile, Trump is 76, and he's clinically obese and lives off a diet of fast food and Coca Cola.

Yes, Trump seems robust and lively, but I'd guess he's at a much higher risk of kicking the bucket if he served a second term.

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He should absolutely not run. He should be resting at his house at his age.

Let pete buttigieg or another young moderate run instead of him.

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@nirgal said:

He should absolutely not run. He should be resting at his house at his age.

Let pete buttigieg or another young moderate run instead of him.

Buttigieg didn't win.

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#19  Edited By Nirgal
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@InEMplease: Biden only won because he reminded people of Obama's time. But he is nowhere near as capable as Obama now, and even nowhere near as capable as his younger self when he was vice president.

Let him rest and put someone without cognitively decline.

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@nirgal said:

@InEMplease: Biden only won as he reminded people of Obama. But he is nowhere near as capable as Obama now, and even nowhere near as capable as his younger self when he was vice president.

Let him rest and put someone without cognitively decline.

We are not capable as our younger selves. Age doesn't diminish our ability to be good however.

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I think he's got enough vigor to sign things put on his desk. I think he's sound policy-wise. Who cares if Donald Trump can stand at a podium for 48 hours straight rambling about how he's the greatest person ever and also the most unfairly treated, he'd be a horrible leader. And if he dies in the middle of his second term, his VP takes over, also way better than the alternative, that being any Republican.

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@mysticaldonut: RFK JR is pretty cool.

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@Stevo_the_gamer: I think it's going to be Trump 2024 if Dems run Biden. I'm fine with it.

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#24  Edited By InEMplease
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@Stevo_the_gamer: I think it's going to be Trump 2024 if Dems run Biden. I'm fine with it.

Gods help us all

To watch someone fail again and again and still put your trust in them. You must be blind or have Stockholm syndrome.

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He will be too old, but even then, at this point, he is the least bad of the bunch.

Biden's biggest selling point is that he is the only one in the running for 2024 that isn't a quack. Even though he has the worst policies among the DNC politicians, the fact that he doesnt have a history in pseudoscience, makes him the least bad candidate.

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@sargentd said:

@Stevo_the_gamer: I think it's going to be Trump 2024 if Dems run Biden. I'm fine with it.

Trump is toast. Not sure why you ignore the evidence. He's lost Republicans now.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

@Stevo_the_gamer: I think it's going to be Trump 2024 if Dems run Biden. I'm fine with it.

Trump is toast. Not sure why you ignore the evidence. He's lost Republicans now.

The polling says the opposite.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

@Stevo_the_gamer: I think it's going to be Trump 2024 if Dems run Biden. I'm fine with it.

Trump is toast. Not sure why you ignore the evidence. He's lost Republicans now.

The polling says the opposite.

Unless the polling says 100% support for trump then it's exactly as I stated.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

The polling says the opposite.

Unless the polling says 100% support for trump then it's exactly as I stated.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Someone is "toast" unless they have 100% support? What? How does that even remotely make sense?

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

The polling says the opposite.

Unless the polling says 100% support for trump then it's exactly as I stated.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Someone is "toast" unless they have 100% support? What? How does that even remotely make sense?

He doesn't have his party's support. Mathematically he's toast.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Someone is "toast" unless they have 100% support? What? How does that even remotely make sense?

He doesn't have his party's support. Mathematically he's toast.

The polling said 75% of those who leaned Republican would support Trump. He has the most support out of any of the current Republican candidates... ? Where are you basing this 100% support from? Is this a metric you made up?

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#32  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

The polling said 75% of those who leaned Republican would support Trump. He has the most support out of any of the current Republican candidates... ? Where are you basing this 100% support from? Is this a metric you made up?

So 25% of Republicans don't. Independents don't. And Democrats don't and you think he has the numbers?😂

Edit: And that's ignoring he didn't get the popular vote either time already. He's toast.

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#34  Edited By Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

The polling said 75% of those who leaned Republican would support Trump. He has the most support out of any of the current Republican candidates... ? Where are you basing this 100% support from? Is this a metric you made up?

So 25% of Republicans don't. Independents don't. And Democrats don't and you think he has the numbers?😂

Edit: And that's ignoring he didn't get the popular vote either time already. He's toast.

Numbers for what? Primary or the actual election? Again, where are you basing this 100% support metric from?

...

*Crickets*

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@lamprey263 said:

I think he's got enough vigor to sign things put on his desk. I think he's sound policy-wise. Who cares if Donald Trump can stand at a podium for 48 hours straight rambling about how he's the greatest person ever and also the most unfairly treated, he'd be a horrible leader. And if he dies in the middle of his second term, his VP takes over, also way better than the alternative, that being any Republican.

TBF, trump couldn't stand at a podium for 1 debate.

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#36 lamprey263
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@comp_atkins: being hyperbolic that it doesn't matter if people think Trump has more energy or longevity than Biden, Trump's a horrible leader. He offers nothing substantive to his post. He's a guy who barely gets to the office before noon, putters around off watching FoxNews and Tweeting from the shitter, and spends three days a week at Mar-A-Lago doing jack shit.