Cohen get 3 years in jail.

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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/michael-cohen-sentencing/index.html

Michael Cohen, President Trump's former personal attorney, was just sentenced to three years in prison.

Cohen was sentenced for eight criminal counts he pleaded guilty to in August. The judge gave him an additional two months for the special counsel charge, to be served concurrently with the US attorney's New York office term.

He has been ordered to surrender on March 6.

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does that mean he is guilty of the charges?

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@tryit said:

does that mean he is guilty of the charges?

"sentenced for eight criminal counts he pleaded guilty to in August."

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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

does that mean he is guilty of the charges?

"sentenced for eight criminal counts he pleaded guilty to in August."

yes but does that mean is he guilty of the criminal charges?

I have to ask because of deep state and all that

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@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

does that mean he is guilty of the charges?

"sentenced for eight criminal counts he pleaded guilty to in August."

yes but does that mean is he guilty of the criminal charges?

I have to ask because of deep state and all that

Why don't you do some research and come back to us with your conclusions?

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@Damedius said:
@tryit said:
@Damedius said:
@tryit said:

does that mean he is guilty of the charges?

"sentenced for eight criminal counts he pleaded guilty to in August."

yes but does that mean is he guilty of the criminal charges?

I have to ask because of deep state and all that

Why don't you do some research and come back to us with your conclusions?

because I want people on the Right to tell me what he is guilty of rather than hiding. two years of bullshit hiding and deflecting is enough

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@tryit: Why?

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@mattbbpl said:

@tryit: Why?

because they will never change if they dont

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@tryit: But won't. We know they won't

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In jail for some tax evasion and bank fraud and some felonies with illegal election payments on behalf of Trump.

Funny part is, Trumps done the same but in a scale of 1000 to 1. So expect Trump to get charges put against him when he steps down or is impeached.

Even in just basic public knowledge released earlier this year, we know Trump and his family with coordination with his father, were involved in over half a billion dollars in tax fraud and evasion over decades.

They won't bother trying to charge this guy or his kids until hes out of office, because hes such a criminal with no morals, he'd simply just pardon himself and his criminal family.

Trump's going to get off squeaky clean. Once you reach that height of power, you are pretty much beyond reproach. I doubt he'll do any time. Perhaps a slap on the wrist in condemnation, but I'm not holding my breath. It's just the way the world works.

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“I have been living in a personal and mental incarceration ever since the day that I accepted the offer to work for a real estate mogul whose business acumen that I deeply admired," Cohen told the judge, saying his blind loyalty to Trump led him to choose “darkness over light.”

He noted that Trump had blasted him as being weak on Twitter. “It was correct but for a much different reason than he was implying. It was because time and time again I felt it was my duty to cover up his dirty deeds," Cohen said.

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I have no pity on Cohen, kinda feel bad or his family though. His daughter is pretty, never knew that until today,

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@MirkoS77 said:
@Yams1980 said:

In jail for some tax evasion and bank fraud and some felonies with illegal election payments on behalf of Trump.

Funny part is, Trumps done the same but in a scale of 1000 to 1. So expect Trump to get charges put against him when he steps down or is impeached.

Even in just basic public knowledge released earlier this year, we know Trump and his family with coordination with his father, were involved in over half a billion dollars in tax fraud and evasion over decades.

They won't bother trying to charge this guy or his kids until hes out of office, because hes such a criminal with no morals, he'd simply just pardon himself and his criminal family.

Trump's going to get off squeaky clean. Once you reach that height of power, you are pretty much beyond reproach. I doubt he'll do any time. Perhaps a slap on the wrist in condemnation, but I'm not holding my breath. It's just the way the world works.

Time to make changes then. No one should be above the law.

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I have no pity on Cohen, kinda feel bad or his family though. His daughter is pretty, never knew that until today,

His daughter is smoking hot. His wife is "pretty" lol.

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@foxhound_fox said:
@zaryia said:

I have no pity on Cohen, kinda feel bad or his family though. His daughter is pretty, never knew that until today,

His daughter is smoking hot. His wife is "pretty" lol.

Well I use the word differently I guess lol, but yeah I agree. She's the only good thing to come out of his scumbag crook life.

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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/michael-cohen-sentencing/index.html

Michael Cohen, President Trump's former personal attorney, was just sentenced to three years in prison.

Cohen was sentenced for eight criminal counts he pleaded guilty to in August. The judge gave him an additional two months for the special counsel charge, to be served concurrently with the US attorney's New York office term.

He has been ordered to surrender on March 6.

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784

President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations.

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@ronvalencia said:
@n64dd said:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/michael-cohen-sentencing/index.html

Michael Cohen, President Trump's former personal attorney, was just sentenced to three years in prison.

Cohen was sentenced for eight criminal counts he pleaded guilty to in August. The judge gave him an additional two months for the special counsel charge, to be served concurrently with the US attorney's New York office term.

He has been ordered to surrender on March 6.

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784

President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

While the fines leveled against the Obama campaign were among the largest in the FEC’s history, so too was the amount of money raised by that campaign. Speaking to Politico in 2013, Republican election lawyer Jason Torchinsky said that “$375,000 is a huge fine” but added that the Obama campaign was also the first billion-dollar presidential campaign in history, making the fine “proportionally … not out of line.” In the same story, former FEC commissioner Michael Toner said “that the infractions were relatively minor, given the scope of the campaign.”

Speaking to us by phone, Ann Ravel, a former FEC commissioner who served from 2013 to 2017, told us that “the FEC does not have criminal capabilities. All of the criminal cases have to be prosecuted by the Department of Justice.” For a criminal violation of election law to be enforced by the Department of Justice (which was the case in the Cohen matter), she told us, the violation must be considered both intentional and serious:

Not only does the matter have to be something that is purposeful, but it [also has to be] a major violation. People often have reporting violations [and] that’s what the Obama ones were determined to be.

In [Cohen’s] case, what [the Department of Justice] determined is that there was a criminal intent to hide a campaign contributionand so, it falls within a criminal violation, as opposed to just a civil one to be enforced by the FEC.

From a legal standpoint, the Department of Justice has already proved that Cohen intentionally acted to facilitate and hide an illegal contribution for the purpose of affecting the election, because that is what he formally admitted to. In a document produced by the Southern District of New York whose accuracy was affirmed by Cohen under oath, Cohen agreed that he:

Knowingly and willfully caused a corporation to make a contribution and expenditure … to ensure that Woman-1 did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

[and]

Knowingly and willfully made and caused to be made a contribution … in excess of the limits of the Election Act … to Woman-2 to ensure that she did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

The infractions committed by the 2008 Obama campaign were not alleged to be intentional, and the FEC did not consider the campaign’s documentation lapses as rising to the level of a “serious” offense prosecutable by the Department of Justice.

“There are always reporting violations in campaigns. Many of them minor, many of them substantive,” Ravel told us. “But in this case … what was admitted to by Cohen was that there was a clear intent to use campaign money for the purpose of keeping the individuals quiet right before the election for campaign purposes.”

Trump’s assertion that Cohen broke no law is in conflict with his own Justice Department, who secured multiple guilty pleas related to the commission of violations of federal election laws. Specifically, Cohen admitted to intentionally violating portions of the following federal election laws on behalf of Donald Trump:

  • 52 U.S. Code § 30116 – Limitations on contributions and expenditures
  • 52 U.S. Code § 30118 – Contributions or expenditures by national banks, corporations, or labor organizations

Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election.

You know, facts and all.

Individual-1 is scared?

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@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:
@n64dd said:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/michael-cohen-sentencing/index.html

Michael Cohen, President Trump's former personal attorney, was just sentenced to three years in prison.

Cohen was sentenced for eight criminal counts he pleaded guilty to in August. The judge gave him an additional two months for the special counsel charge, to be served concurrently with the US attorney's New York office term.

He has been ordered to surrender on March 6.

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784

President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

While the fines leveled against the Obama campaign were among the largest in the FEC’s history, so too was the amount of money raised by that campaign. Speaking to Politico in 2013, Republican election lawyer Jason Torchinsky said that “$375,000 is a huge fine” but added that the Obama campaign was also the first billion-dollar presidential campaign in history, making the fine “proportionally … not out of line.” In the same story, former FEC commissioner Michael Toner said “that the infractions were relatively minor, given the scope of the campaign.”

Speaking to us by phone, Ann Ravel, a former FEC commissioner who served from 2013 to 2017, told us that “the FEC does not have criminal capabilities. All of the criminal cases have to be prosecuted by the Department of Justice.” For a criminal violation of election law to be enforced by the Department of Justice (which was the case in the Cohen matter), she told us, the violation must be considered both intentional and serious:

Not only does the matter have to be something that is purposeful, but it [also has to be] a major violation. People often have reporting violations [and] that’s what the Obama ones were determined to be.

In [Cohen’s] case, what [the Department of Justice] determined is that there was a criminal intent to hide a campaign contributionand so, it falls within a criminal violation, as opposed to just a civil one to be enforced by the FEC.

From a legal standpoint, the Department of Justice has already proved that Cohen intentionally acted to facilitate and hide an illegal contribution for the purpose of affecting the election, because that is what he formally admitted to. In a document produced by the Southern District of New York whose accuracy was affirmed by Cohen under oath, Cohen agreed that he:

Knowingly and willfully caused a corporation to make a contribution and expenditure … to ensure that Woman-1 did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

[and]

Knowingly and willfully made and caused to be made a contribution … in excess of the limits of the Election Act … to Woman-2 to ensure that she did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

The infractions committed by the 2008 Obama campaign were not alleged to be intentional, and the FEC did not consider the campaign’s documentation lapses as rising to the level of a “serious” offense prosecutable by the Department of Justice.

“There are always reporting violations in campaigns. Many of them minor, many of them substantive,” Ravel told us. “But in this case … what was admitted to by Cohen was that there was a clear intent to use campaign money for the purpose of keeping the individuals quiet right before the election for campaign purposes.”

Trump’s assertion that Cohen broke no law is in conflict with his own Justice Department, who secured multiple guilty pleas related to the commission of violations of federal election laws. Specifically, Cohen admitted to intentionally violating portions of the following federal election laws on behalf of Donald Trump:

  • 52 U.S. Code § 30116 – Limitations on contributions and expenditures
  • 52 U.S. Code § 30118 – Contributions or expenditures by national banks, corporations, or labor organizations

Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election.

You know, facts and all.

Individual-1 is scared?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/11/stormy-daniels-lawsuit-pay-trump-legal-fees

The porn star Stormy Daniels must pay Donald Trump nearly $293,000 for his attorneys’ fees and another $1,000 in sanctions after her defamation suit against him was dismissed, a federal judge in Los Angeles ordered Tuesday

You know, facts and all.

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@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:
@n64dd said:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/michael-cohen-sentencing/index.html

Michael Cohen, President Trump's former personal attorney, was just sentenced to three years in prison.

Cohen was sentenced for eight criminal counts he pleaded guilty to in August. The judge gave him an additional two months for the special counsel charge, to be served concurrently with the US attorney's New York office term.

He has been ordered to surrender on March 6.

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784

President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

While the fines leveled against the Obama campaign were among the largest in the FEC’s history, so too was the amount of money raised by that campaign. Speaking to Politico in 2013, Republican election lawyer Jason Torchinsky said that “$375,000 is a huge fine” but added that the Obama campaign was also the first billion-dollar presidential campaign in history, making the fine “proportionally … not out of line.” In the same story, former FEC commissioner Michael Toner said “that the infractions were relatively minor, given the scope of the campaign.”

Speaking to us by phone, Ann Ravel, a former FEC commissioner who served from 2013 to 2017, told us that “the FEC does not have criminal capabilities. All of the criminal cases have to be prosecuted by the Department of Justice.” For a criminal violation of election law to be enforced by the Department of Justice (which was the case in the Cohen matter), she told us, the violation must be considered both intentional and serious:

Not only does the matter have to be something that is purposeful, but it [also has to be] a major violation. People often have reporting violations [and] that’s what the Obama ones were determined to be.

In [Cohen’s] case, what [the Department of Justice] determined is that there was a criminal intent to hide a campaign contributionand so, it falls within a criminal violation, as opposed to just a civil one to be enforced by the FEC.

From a legal standpoint, the Department of Justice has already proved that Cohen intentionally acted to facilitate and hide an illegal contribution for the purpose of affecting the election, because that is what he formally admitted to. In a document produced by the Southern District of New York whose accuracy was affirmed by Cohen under oath, Cohen agreed that he:

Knowingly and willfully caused a corporation to make a contribution and expenditure … to ensure that Woman-1 did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

[and]

Knowingly and willfully made and caused to be made a contribution … in excess of the limits of the Election Act … to Woman-2 to ensure that she did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

The infractions committed by the 2008 Obama campaign were not alleged to be intentional, and the FEC did not consider the campaign’s documentation lapses as rising to the level of a “serious” offense prosecutable by the Department of Justice.

“There are always reporting violations in campaigns. Many of them minor, many of them substantive,” Ravel told us. “But in this case … what was admitted to by Cohen was that there was a clear intent to use campaign money for the purpose of keeping the individuals quiet right before the election for campaign purposes.”

Trump’s assertion that Cohen broke no law is in conflict with his own Justice Department, who secured multiple guilty pleas related to the commission of violations of federal election laws. Specifically, Cohen admitted to intentionally violating portions of the following federal election laws on behalf of Donald Trump:

  • 52 U.S. Code § 30116 – Limitations on contributions and expenditures
  • 52 U.S. Code § 30118 – Contributions or expenditures by national banks, corporations, or labor organizations

Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election.

You know, facts and all.

Individual-1 is scared?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/11/stormy-daniels-lawsuit-pay-trump-legal-fees

The porn star Stormy Daniels must pay Donald Trump nearly $293,000 for his attorneys’ fees and another $1,000 in sanctions after her defamation suit against him was dismissed, a federal judge in Los Angeles ordered Tuesday

You know, facts and all.

This is completely off-topic. Your post doesn't refute mine and has nothing to do with me objectively proving your last post wrong.

Why are almost all of your posts, both at here and SW, pure red-herrings?

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@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:
@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784

President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

While the fines leveled against the Obama campaign were among the largest in the FEC’s history, so too was the amount of money raised by that campaign. Speaking to Politico in 2013, Republican election lawyer Jason Torchinsky said that “$375,000 is a huge fine” but added that the Obama campaign was also the first billion-dollar presidential campaign in history, making the fine “proportionally … not out of line.” In the same story, former FEC commissioner Michael Toner said “that the infractions were relatively minor, given the scope of the campaign.”

Speaking to us by phone, Ann Ravel, a former FEC commissioner who served from 2013 to 2017, told us that “the FEC does not have criminal capabilities. All of the criminal cases have to be prosecuted by the Department of Justice.” For a criminal violation of election law to be enforced by the Department of Justice (which was the case in the Cohen matter), she told us, the violation must be considered both intentional and serious:

Not only does the matter have to be something that is purposeful, but it [also has to be] a major violation. People often have reporting violations [and] that’s what the Obama ones were determined to be.

In [Cohen’s] case, what [the Department of Justice] determined is that there was a criminal intent to hide a campaign contributionand so, it falls within a criminal violation, as opposed to just a civil one to be enforced by the FEC.

From a legal standpoint, the Department of Justice has already proved that Cohen intentionally acted to facilitate and hide an illegal contribution for the purpose of affecting the election, because that is what he formally admitted to. In a document produced by the Southern District of New York whose accuracy was affirmed by Cohen under oath, Cohen agreed that he:

Knowingly and willfully caused a corporation to make a contribution and expenditure … to ensure that Woman-1 did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

[and]

Knowingly and willfully made and caused to be made a contribution … in excess of the limits of the Election Act … to Woman-2 to ensure that she did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

The infractions committed by the 2008 Obama campaign were not alleged to be intentional, and the FEC did not consider the campaign’s documentation lapses as rising to the level of a “serious” offense prosecutable by the Department of Justice.

“There are always reporting violations in campaigns. Many of them minor, many of them substantive,” Ravel told us. “But in this case … what was admitted to by Cohen was that there was a clear intent to use campaign money for the purpose of keeping the individuals quiet right before the election for campaign purposes.”

Trump’s assertion that Cohen broke no law is in conflict with his own Justice Department, who secured multiple guilty pleas related to the commission of violations of federal election laws. Specifically, Cohen admitted to intentionally violating portions of the following federal election laws on behalf of Donald Trump:

  • 52 U.S. Code § 30116 – Limitations on contributions and expenditures
  • 52 U.S. Code § 30118 – Contributions or expenditures by national banks, corporations, or labor organizations

Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election.

You know, facts and all.

Individual-1 is scared?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/11/stormy-daniels-lawsuit-pay-trump-legal-fees

The porn star Stormy Daniels must pay Donald Trump nearly $293,000 for his attorneys’ fees and another $1,000 in sanctions after her defamation suit against him was dismissed, a federal judge in Los Angeles ordered Tuesday

You know, facts and all.

This is completely off-topic. Your post doesn't refute mine and has nothing to do with me objectively proving your last post wrong.

Why are almost all of your posts, both at here and SW, pure red-herrings?

Stormy Daniels attempt on "affecting the election" was proven false.

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Stormy Daniels attempt on "affecting the election" was proven false.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.

Cohen was convicted and guilty. Did you click the wrong thread?

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@zaryia said:
@ronvalencia said:

Stormy Daniels attempt on "affecting the election" was proven false.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.

Cohen was convicted and guilty. Did you click the wrong thread?

I think he did, plus i didnt know Stormy Daniels herself was attempting to affect the election.

I also didnt know that failing to attempt to steal from a bank is not against the law simply becuase you failed at it