Department of Justice sues Georgia over voting law

@Stevo_the_gamer: No. They manufactured a BS problem so they can steal elections under the guise of protecting democracy.

Yeah I don't know what kind of individuals think that is an okay law. Pure evil.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/25/politics/arizona-bills-secretary-of-state/index.html

This is just plain disgusting. Republicans are laying the groundwork to steal every election for decades. Will be a long time before I even admit I live in this fascist country.

Wait, so the bar for passing legislation to disenfranchise voters is that Republicans aren't confident? Is that a two way street?

You think there's any bar for passing legislation?

No more than they have been central to democrat gerrymandering.

You know GOP gerrymander in far larger scale than Democratic Party.

@horgen: Honest opinion, I think he is on someone’s payroll.

Untrue.

https://election.princeton.edu/2017/08/23/democratic-partisan-gerrymanders-1972-present/

This shows a list of redistricting efforts since the 70s. Throughout the 70s, 80s, and 90s, all redistricting was done by democrats, court, or were bipartisan, four being attributed specifically to democrats, 0 to republicans. In the 2000s, four were drawn by republicans, 2 by democrats, in 2010s, five redistrictings were done by republicans which were not overturned shortly after. That's 9 republican, 7 democrat, 6 bipartisan, 5 court. Many of the republican redistrictings were done after democrats redistricted those states, and republicans eventually gained control over those states despite democrat efforts.

California in just 2 days from now has a hearing about redistricting Los Angelas county. Tell me, when the democratic legislature redraws those districts, do you honestly believe they'll do it in a fair manner? Me neither.

So I'm not sure where you're getting a "far larger scale" from. The reality is the ONLY reason democrats are bitching about it now is because they were voted out of many of the states they controlled and want districts redrawn for a chance to take them back. If you really think democrats are altruistic, and seeking fairness and honesty in redistricting, then LMFAO. If you think their efforts and complaints are of a legitimately unfair system, and not merely a system they don't think benefits them the most, then let me LMFAO even harder.

But guess what? That's politics. Just like their complaints about republicans not confirming their court nominations, what they're whining about the other side doing is something they've been doing all along as well which is why I find the fanboyism of either party rather comical.

@Stevo_the_gamer: Then what's the objection here? The Democrats aren't confident in the voting laws, and that meets the bar just as well.

Apparently "those people" can't function under the same rules as everyone else. Good thing Liberal Whitey is here to protect and shepherd "those people".

Not surprising. We should be focusing on making voting easier and more secure.

That'd be too hard, though, and too honest.

Yeah not really hearing any good arguments for it.

It's hard, when you don't have a leg to stand on.

Dude....get real.

Get off the internet, go out into the world. You will see the vocal minorities on the internet don't represent America, aka "people".

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, arguably one of the main hubs of liberalism, and it's not anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be.

And why do you view the left as the enemy? Nobody is coming for you, man, not now and not in the future.

@mrbojangles25: I view the left as my enemy because they have proven to be my enemy at every turn. And yes, I believe they are coming for people like me. In Portland people have said that it's OK to execute white people in front of their kids because they're white. In universities, you have speakers preaching how they want to slaughter white people because they're white.

Where do those on the left tell those people that they are insane and need to shut the f**k up and seek mental help? No one on the left does. That tells me that you are all in line with those ideas. The left has been pushing dehumanizing those on the right since well before Hillary Clinton started calling us "deplorables" because we wouldn't vote for her.

Years and years of dehumanizing. That is why the left is my enemy... because they don't call out the insane on their side of the fence.

Ah, yes. The well known Democratic platform plank of executing white people.

Dare I say.....provide your sources?!?!

@HoolaHoopMan: Dang it, Hoola...

I'm generally interested to see where people are digging this sh*t up. It's like JimB on steroids.

Gerrymandering was far more difficult when people didn't pick one side and stick with it, as well as lacking the tools we have today. Since 2000's the tools have been better, and Republicans have done it far more. As normal you haven't read your own source so I'll quote it.

Brian has found something interesting: from 1972 until now, Democratic extreme partisan gerrymanders are surprisingly rare. What’s going on?

From the 1970's through 1990's it ends with this comment, and only 3 clear cases of Democratic gerrymandering.

At that point, partisan gerrymandering starts to erupt – with Republicans as the most common offenders. Certainly there are exceptions – Maryland being one, where Democrats drew one Republican Congressional district out of existence, the subject of the current case of Benisek v. Mack. But in the 2000s and the 2010s, the tests flag a clear pattern:

Note in particular that now the offenses are repeated from election to election, which indicates a more durable set of gerrymanders.

I do not think that Democrats are particularly noble when it comes to partisan gerrymandering. A more plausible hypothesis is that the stars aligned for Republicans: means (redistricting technology), motive (the widening gulf between the parties), and opportunity (the wave election of 2010). We’re currently preparing an article on the subject.

There is nothing in the law that targets any protected class. The DOJ should not be a political arm of the executive, or beholden to a party.

@HoolaHoopMan: Because you're too f**king lazy to do a quick search, I'll do you a solid... once.

https://www.lawofficer.com/speaker-at-tulsa-rally-tells-armed-crowd-kill-everything-white-in-sight/

Here's even an MSN article...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/psychiatrist-describes-to-yale-audience-her-fantasies-of-unloading-a-revolver-into-random-white-people/ar-AAKJLMF

https://trendingpolitics.com/i-dont-want-to-say-we-need-to-start-killing-all-white-folks-but-blm-extremists-detail-path-forward-after-chavin-trial/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8096919/Police-recording-California-killings-defendant-cites-racism.html

https://newsthud.com/black-lives-matter-leader-we-could-wipe-out-white-folks-theyre-genetic-defects/

https://www.eutimes.net/2020/05/cdc-we-will-kill-all-white-people-in-usa-who-refuse-to-vaccinate/

https://www.dailywire.com/news/blm-leader-says-whites-sub-human-should-be-wiped-joseph-curl

@Telekill: So... a few political extremists having a fit of passion? Is that really all you have?

A lot of those alleged leaders you have. I looked up, and no, they are not people with any real influence, nice try though.

Until we see organized left wing factions outright planning on exterminating "white people", what you say is extremely low on the list of priorities.

@Maroxad: All I have? You yourself are a great example. You make excuses for it instead of denouncing it... just like every other leftist. That's why the left is my enemy.

There is no major push by the left to attack white people. Again with your victim complex.

What excuse did I make? Toxic Partisanship is an issue.

But it is hardly something that dominates the left. All you linked are a bunch of fringe lunatics.

What you are doing is dishonest, plain and simple. I am not going to villify the right, because of its share of lunatics, because I believe that judging a coalition by picking its leaders and representatives, rather than cherrypicking its worst examples is the honest thing to do.

Edit: Also, actions, rather than boasts. Are what truly matter. And looking into hate crime statistics, they clearly say a different story than the one you are trying to paint.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/victims

@LJS9502_basic: Again, you're ignoring facts placed in front of you.

The Right wants the parties judged by their worst, fringe, powerless members? The same party that would then be judged not merely as fascists who attempted to overthrow the democratically elected government but instead as literal heil-Hitlering Nazis?

Good luck....

@Maroxad: And you have yet to denounce it giving them the path to do what they want. You want to play this fringe game, there's lunatics on both sides, but we call out the nut jobs on the right. Those Q people are f**king insane but all of us on the right are lumped in with them. Turn about is fair play in politics and the left preaches hate.

Congrats. You got it.

@Telekill: The GOP elected one of those conspiracy nuts as it's most recent president.

There are no facts in front of me. You posted some bad actors that does not a wave make.

And yet... we call out the nutjobs on the left. I implicitly called them toxic partisans. What more do you want?

Also turn about is a logical fallacy (et tu). I suggest you avoid any form of Red Herring from here on out. Also, the overwhelming majority of the left doesnt preach hate. Stop acting like a victim in every goddamn thread.

On the Gamespot boards alone, we had two boogaloos on this very site who outright posted about their fantasies of a second Civil War, as a threatening tone to the left wingers.

This really is not a game the right wingers here want to play.

Edit: Improved the wording somewhat for clarity.

this reminds me of the gov of fl.

wont approve 1.2 or more million people to legal vote.

guessing the state wont vote for repb...

@Maroxad: Yeah, I completely agree. It's not even a game I want to play as it's simply not representative of what either party is or realistically will be, but telekill has to recognize that he's residing in a glass house, right?

@mattbbpl: Exactly, I prefer avoid talking about hypothetical futures of a party, or the party at its worst. Because doing otherwise is just incredibly dishonest, and wont get anyone near the truth, in fact, it will only drive people further away from it.

I hope he acknowledges that sooner or later. On the System Wars board, he has shown he can be fairly level headed at times. I am hoping he ditches his persecution complex, which is holding him back from becoming a more productive poster here.

@Maroxad: Here's the difference. System Wars is about videogames. It doesn't matter at all in the past, now or the future what videogames are really doing.

The left leaning Critical Theory ideology that says my children are trash racists because they're white...? I won't allow that and if I find out that any of their teachers are incorporating that trash into their curriculum, I will be suing them directly, the school and the school board.

Videogames affect nothing. Ideologies can lead to genocide.

@Telekill: Then I'd argue you should focus on what the party leaders are actually doing and what their platforms actually are rather than get yourself worked up over nonsense that makes you sound unhinged.

@mattbbpl: Someone comes after my kids in any fashion, I become unhinged and will go for the throat. Every. Single. Time.

@Telekill: But we're not going after your kids. You're ready to slit throats without any threat.

@mattbbpl: The threat is real and I will protect my family. You saying there's no threat when their clearly is (especially in leftists cities) doesn't sway my mind at all as there's zero reason and zero proof that I should trust you or anyone on your side.

The point is that when you stop getting so emotional over everything, you can be a decent poster. I am saying what I say because I have faith in you, faith in that you can do better.

Also, that sounds EXTREMELY authoritarian, trying to shelter your children from even hearing certain viewpoints is the pinnacle of authoritarinism. Especially if you are willing to use violence to reach that end.

Getting exposed to multiple viewpoints doesnt hurt. When I was a little boy, we read all sorts of different ideologies in class. In history class we even read and discussed Mein Kampf and parts of the Communist Manifesto. Exposing your child to numereous ideologies, even extreme ones is healthy.

@Maroxad: It really depends on how is taught. If you teach... "This is what critical theorists believe", that's learning about it. That's fine. If you teach... "America is founded on racism and because you're white, you're racist"... that's indoctrination.

Merely learning about something isn't the problem. Injecting ideologies into the lesson are the problem. Ideologies and school/government need to be completely separated.

Injecting the ideology into the schools is what's being pushed for in many districts and it's reprehensible.

You do realize the only people who are really taught Critical Race Theory are college students within Legal and sociological degrees, right?

I wouldnt be too afraid if I were you.

@Maroxad: Dude...

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2021/05/critical-race-theory-in-wisconsin-k12-education/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/some-examples-of-critical-race-theory-in-schools

https://nypost.com/2021/02/05/website-tracks-where-critical-race-theory-taught-at-us-schools/

https://criticalrace.org/k-12/

2 terrible sources ripe with loaded language and poor reasoning, and the last 2 focus primarily on higher education, this doesnt help your case at all. There are a few exceptions, but CRT, is and has in the past few decades always been focused on higher learning. It only is an issue now because the Republicans need a boogieman to keep people scared. Just like they are scared of minorities getting the right to vote in georgia. Because as has been pointed out over and over, Republicans are comitting voter suppression, and this is why they are now being sued.

And on that note, let's get back to the topic at hand, and leave that culture war crap in another thread.

Their fear is completely reasonable though. Republicans have terrible ideas that have been demonstrably bad for the country. So they need to cheat to get their shitty agenda across.

@Maroxad: I went on a limb and supplied multiple sources to give you the benefit of the doubt and you proved exactly why I generally don't give sources.

I'll remind you guys of what I said you would do and you did... the next time you expect sources from me. It won't happen again.

@Telekill: Do you have any sources that aren't far right and have an agenda?

@LJS9502_basic: The issue isn't even that they are far right. The issue is that half of his sources kinda prove MY point, and the other 2 are sensationalist garbage.

Provide better sources, and no one will take issue.

Sorry to say, but I have a policy of a three strike policy. Commit 3 logical fallacies in your abstract, and you are out! Both of the first 2 articles failed just this.

The second one had a few anecdotes, and that was it, no evidence of anything widespread.

@Maroxad: "Provide leftist leaning sources or I won't accept it."