Developers distance themselves from publisher Tripwire after boss says he's "proud" of Texas anti-abortion law

Expressing harmful opinions can be really bad, just look at the tard dero anti vaxxers.
Keep saying, people believe it.

Actually, it is. You may not agree with it, I don't agree with it, and most people won't, but that doesn't make it any less of a different political view. Once one group of people begin to dictate which political views and opinions are allowed to exist, you lose all rights to having a different one no matter how benign or outrageous they may be.

In a free country, people are allowed to express unpopular political, religious, and other viewpoints and opinions. In a fascist one, a governing body dictates what is allowed, and punishes accordingly.

And tell me, where do you draw the line with abortions? How late should be allowed?

Seems everyone is in a tizzy over Texas' laws except Texas lol.

Yeah that's not true.

It would seem those in a tizzy over it are the same types who are in an endless tizzy about everything anyway.

Aside from a very small protest in Edinburg, I haven't seen much buzz about it. There have been bigger protests out of the state.

Last I checked 74% of Texas voters want abortion illegal after six weeks.

Where did you get that statistic from? Only thing I see is nation wide polls, of which 53% favor abortion.

So now the coworkers = "governing body"? And no one said that the shithead is not allowed to have his dumbass opinions, after all, in a fascist country he would have been killed for his "opinion", or do you think that other people expressing their opinions that his opinion sucks ass is the same as capital punishment by the fascist government?

If it's really my body my choice then I should be able to choose whatever drugs I want to consume.

It's not a child yet. Why the **** don't you understand?

Yes you should, 100%.

Opinions are like ar$eholes & this guy is one giant opinion!!!!!!

In fact, so are the Texans who voted & allowed this in. Presumably mostly conservative white male christian's that love guns, pro life bs & hate starving children in Africa & other poor countries & don't want them in THEIR country (they stole from the Indians) and want NONE of their money to help feed said starving kids whom weren't lucky enough to be born in an advanced country where starving to death is far less of an issue. lol. The irony of these fools.

Its rather discouraging to see how many people nowadays believe the current course of actions towards ideas you disagree is not to argue against them but to punish those that hold them. This is a slippery slope, and we may find ourselves soon in a society in which people with new and disruptive ideas become pariahs. Even if its legal, as its not the state that is punishing the individual, it limits debate and diminishes chances of learning.

Its also very sad to see how many people assume certainty over their own ideas and put so little effort in understanding opposites point of view. The person on the other side that you think is a inhuman asshole that hates women may be a person trying to protect what they considers to be children.

Truth is that there is no scientific definition as to when a bunch of cells growing in a uterus become a person. Different people have different opinions about it. None of which can be backed by science. If the being growing inside that woman is already regarded to be a human, the issue becomes not simply of her body and her rights to manage her body as she pleases but also the right of that human to live. So maybe we should consider the possibility of us being wrong before going for the throat.

I often don't agree with Rich aka ReviewTechUSA but he's right about one thing, if your gonna use Twitter, don't ever talk about political opinion cause chances are, you'll pissed off the wrong people:

I use Twitter all the time and the only thing I do not talk is political. Strictly gaming/Anime talks goes on Twitter for me.

@davillain-: i would go further and say dont use social media.

But still, not being able to calmly discuss about politics instead of becoming a fireball of rage as I am seeing most people act in social media, accusing each other of being fascists or communist, mysoginistics assholes or feminazis... Thats not the problem of the guy that said "I would like to express my support for..."

The correct answer would have been: I dont agree with you because...

But the current trend sadly is not disagrement. Its aggression. Not sure if people over time have lost the capacity to control their emotions. Or its simply being online makes people act differently. But discussing calmly about strong disagreements without trying to destroy the other person used to be a thing.

At least pro-life people aren't doing terrorist attacks against abortion clinics. I´ll take online outrage.

Personally, I think it's online Social media 100%. before Social Media, people had to interact with opinions and ideas face to face, and there's a level of composure that comes to a discussion when the anonymity of the internet is taken away. An individual is less inclined to resort to name calling and accusations when there's a potential to have repercussions for their words (I.E getting the taste slapped out of their mouth). But now, you have keyboard warriors that are bold online because they won't have the repercussions of their words, and I feel that puts them in a weaker subclass socially than people who where born before social media.

It's like what Bo Burnham said in his show and it spoke to me like gospel: "Is it necessary that every single person.. express every single opinion they have.... on every single thing that occurs... all at the same time? or to put it differently, Is anyone capable.... can anyone..... STFU?"

@rmiller365: nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. For me the problem starts with the personal attacks either as insults or trying to get you fired.

But yes. I agree with what you say about social media. Its similar to driving, lots of people are super agressive behind the wheel becuase they feel protected but act completely different while walking.

yeah lets give the right for woman to kill. they have the right to kill a child at nine months. baby comes out and they can kill the baby. yeah that is so right. baby has time for one dream then dies. this is were I draw the line. if the baby has a heart beat its murder.

so it is not murder to kill a baby at nine months that has a heart beat? or they deliver the baby and then kill it. baby has time for one dream. that is murder.

The moral of the story is how one can have an opinion......if it is the correct opinion.

Had he offered the right opinion, they'd be planning a parade in his honor. IMO the reaction(s) is what separates adults from children. Talk about a great society. Everyone will be fired or boycotted.

Legal you mean. Happen within first trimester and only needs a certified counseling session. Legal later on if medicinal necessity.

And of course legal if the result of sexual assault.

That's not true.

yes it is there passing laws in some states were they can get abortion at nine months.

In the human life cycle child stage begins at 3yo. Embryo till week 9, Foetus till birth, Baby, Child, Adolecent, Adulthood, Senior, Death.

Note, the transition from one to another stage is not the deciding factor. Arguing with "it's not a baby/child yet" is nonsensical. It is a fetus for 80% of the time in a mothers womb until it's out. Many countries allow abortion well into the fetal stage.

Ein Schwangerschaftsabbruch ist nach § 218 Strafgesetzbuch (StGB) grundsätzlich rechtswidrig.

https://www.familienplanung.de/schwangerschaftskonflikt/schwangerschaftsabbruch/schwangerschaftsabbruch-rechtslage-indikationen-und-fristen/

Rechtswidrig = illegal

https://m.dict.cc/deen/?s=rechtswidrig

@palasta: Abortion in Germany is legal.

So the CEO of Tripwire was free to express his views on social media and people that told him to step down were freely expressing their opinions as well. It's up to customers at this point to vote with their wallets and throughout all of this the government has stayed out of this because everyone has the freedom to do what they're doing/saying.

I personally believe that people should be able to express whether they are pro-life or pro-choice on social media without the risk of being fired. That said I understand that when you get to a level of a company that you represent said company when you speak in a public forum. As others have mentioned this was likely in the CEO's contract, which he freely signed.

@ghost_of_phobos:

Abortion is illegal under Section 218 of the German criminal code, and punishable by up to three years in prison (or up to five years for "reckless" abortions or those against the pregnant woman's will).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Germany

meh... im a bit indifferent about it. Dont really care what texas does.. an example of what my thoughts on this is... each state has a right to control their own policies. If elected officials do this.. then if you want change then you vote them out. Not this crap like boycots etc. Imagine if repubs protested every liberal law in liberal states and told new york and california how to run their state.

So anyway.... the real test of this decision will be decided in the future voting of texas for if they are happy with it or not.

I suggest you read that again. From your link...

Abortion in Germany is permitted in the first trimester under the condition of mandatory counseling, and is permitted later in pregnancy in cases of medical necessity. In both cases, a waiting period of three days is required.

@palasta: Yeah, maybe read the links you are told to post? Just to save the embarrassment maybe?

The funny part is the parts of the German law you guys love are a remnant from Nazi times, which is hilarious. But in practical terms, no, there's absolutely no comparison between Texas and (modern day) Germany. Maybe Afghanistan is comparable, not sure.

It's kinda hard to defend that aborting something this size

That looks like this

Is the same as killing a baby. That's a fundamentalist, extremist position. Made worse by a law that in fact brings to memory 30s Germany in the way it encourages people to denounce women.

IDK what is or is not legal over there but the Germans don't have a leg to stand on for much, all things considered.

@ghost_of_phobos: Nazis allowed abortions for mixed babies and those with genetic deficiencies. Abortion eventually became tied to their eugenics policy. To that extent, it has more in common with modern Northern Europe, rather than Texas.

Eugenics in Denmark never became as systematic and violent as it did in Germany, but the policies came out of similar underlying goals: improving the health of a nation by preventing the birth of those deemed to be burdens on society. The term eugenics eventually fell out of favor, but in the 1970s, when Denmark began offering prenatal testing for Down syndrome to mothers over the age of 35, it was discussed in the context of saving money—as in, the testing cost was less than that of institutionalizing a child with a disability for life. The stated purpose was “to prevent birth of children with severe, lifelong disability.”

"context of saving money" quite literally putting monetary worth on human life.

@vl4d_l3nin: That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've said. But ok, I guess?

@ghost_of_phobos: Ok then, show me the law text where it says it is legal. L-E-G-A-L, understand?

I didnt say it is impossible to get an abortion in Germany.

Btw. you said the N-word, you re disqualified anyway.

It's legal. It's in the first paragraph of YOUR link.

@ghost_of_phobos: you cant really use size to determine if life has started or not. Those are not related. We all started the size of peanuts, actually even smaller, being the combination of two reproductive cells. At which point that combination of cells becomes officially an alive human is currently a matter of social convention, and not determined by science.

@palasta: OMG, read your own links! It's legal, as in the law allows it. Unless you're talking from a far right point of view, where you imagine that in countries where abortion is legal people just kill babies for fun without any legal context.

What N word? Nintendo? Let me clarify, German law on abortion (at least until very recently) has anti abortion articles that LITERALLY date from Nazi times.

@nirgal: And that's exactly why I mentioned "killing babies" not life.

Having an embryo, the size of a pea, that you can't hardly distinguish from other animals on a similar stage of development, isn't anywhere in the same universe of killing a baby. But anyone can be an idiot and defend that, that's fine. Moving legislation to ban abortion and persecute people over it, I'm sorry, but although I understand it's a matter of opinion, I abject to it as strongly as if women were now forced to use a burka. It's fundamentalism, reactionary and obnoxious. And **** whoever defends it.

@ghost_of_phobos: well, the opinion of others is that it is a person already but in a stage in which it lacks most of the capacities of an adult. I would not consider it a baby though either. But my opinion in regards to this is just as relevant as anyone else's.

And you can be very against the new abortion law, as i am myself, and still not punish another person for politely expressing support for it.

Free exchange of ideas and open dialogue are too important too sacrifice for any society that aspires to continue to be a democracy.

@nirgal: He can politely express whatever ideas he wants, he can politely say that he supports an hypothetical law that condemns women to be stoned to death as a punishment for abortion, I'm also allowed to voice my discontent.

It's not just that he is anti abortion, it's that he supports the punishment and the incentive to snitching. So yeah, **** him.

@ghost_of_phobos: the law is fucked up all right. Cant argue with that.

Voicing your discontent is i would say a good thing.

But he definitely should not have lost his job for supporting it. Attacks should be on his opinion not his person. And with arguments not insults.

@nirgal: He should take them to court if he thinks it's unfair, or a breach of contract. I'm fine with that.

But for sure, me as a consumer, I would never support him with my money and I hope those who share my view do the same as I don't want my money to end up financing anything he stands for.

@ghost_of_phobos: I said, show to me the text that says L E G A L.

Something like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada

"Abortion in Canada is LEGAL at all stages of pregnancy (regardless of the reason) and is publicly funded as a medical procedure under the combined effects of the federal Canada Health Act and provincial health-care systems."

And there i thought Canadians are nice people.

Maybe you should start researching what the difference is between illegal and legal status.

" Let me clarify, German law on abortion (at least until very recently) has anti abortion articles that LITERALLY date from Nazi times."

You didnt want to clarify, you wanted to point the finger and shout "Nazi" (Quote you: The funny part is the parts of the German law you guys love are a remnant from Nazi times). It's hilariously paradox, yes. The people who want to preserve life, are associated with all kinds of extremists, and the ones who see themselves as the virtuous and rightous are hellbent on murder death kill the unwanted!

@palasta: Again, read your own link. Abortion is legal under certain circumstances. You can even find official abortion numbers from Germany (around 100.000 a year). It's fine dude, you misinterpreted something, it's not the end of the world. No need to insist on an honest mistake you made.

Also, I just wanted to point out the fact that the German law on abortion dates from Nazi times. You do whatever interpretation you want to, that's not up to me. But it's funny nonetheless.

@ghost_of_phobos: No-ho, it is illegal. However, it isnt punished. What that means for example, it cant be advertised, you cant make signs like the they do in the Netherlands that says "Abortion Drive Trough".

Read and understand.

https://amp.dw.com/en/activists-in-germany-demand-legalization-of-abortion/a-50613936

Your own link CLEARLY says it's legal.

@palasta: It's legal, if there's a medical or judicial ok for it.

The push is for more straight forward legislation that isn't built upon an ancient law. You can say it's ilegal at its core but since the 70s more legislation was added for the law to allow it. So in practical terms it's legal, as in, the law allows for abortion in certain conditions.

You're the one who brought Germany to the conversation, saying they were hypocrites because abortion there was ilegal too, but the comparison with Texas makes no sense since German law allows for abortion. And as I've said before, you can even check their numbers. I'll risk saying that 100.000 legal abortions per year is quite far from 0. In fact public health insurance covers abortion in Germany.

The publicity thing, is another issue. Also related with the law being completely outdated but not exactly related with the fact that you can legally abort in Germany.

@LJS9502_basic: I don't know what else to say.