Episcopal bishop of DC 'outraged' after Trump hosted a photo-op outside of one of her churches holding a Bible

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#1  Edited By Zaryia
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How did he manage to bungle something so easy....

Episcopal bishop of DC 'outraged' after Trump hosted a photo-op outside of one of her churches holding a Bible, calling it an 'abuse of sacred symbols'

https://www.businessinsider.com/dc-episcopal-bishop-outraged-after-trump-hosted-photo-op-church-2020-6

  • Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, the Episcopal bishop of Washington, DC, said she was "outraged" after President Donald Trump posed with a Bible for a photo-op outside of St. John's Episcopal Church.
  • Federal police fired tear gas at peaceful protesters to disperse them and clear a path for the president to the church.
  • Budde called it an "abuse of sacred symbols" to pose with the Bible and use the church "as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our churches stand for."

lol he looks so odd.

Do you think this might hurt his vote with real Christians?

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@zaryia said:

Do you think this might hurt his vote with real Christians?

There are no "real" Christians. Religion was made to control people, so whoever a.) has the highest authority and b.) wields the Bible will win.

The only thing that could trump Trump in this regard would be the pope.

If anything this will get Trump more of the vote. Jesus was a rebel, now so is Trump, rebelling against "the liberal extreme churches".

Just wait.

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@zaryia said:
  • Budde called it an "abuse of sacred symbols" to pose with the Bible and use the church "as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our churches stand for."

This has never bothered GOP supporting Christians before.

@zaryia said:

Do you think this might hurt his vote with real Christians?

I suspect the venn diagram of the people who will be bothered by this enough to affect their vote and those who voted for Trump the first time involves a nearly nonexistent intersection.

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@mattbbpl said:
@zaryia said:
  • Budde called it an "abuse of sacred symbols" to pose with the Bible and use the church "as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our churches stand for."

This has never bothered GOP supporting Christians before.

@zaryia said:

Do you think this might hurt his vote with real Christians?

I suspect the venn diagram of the people who will be bothered by this enough to affect their vote and those who voted for Trump the first time involves a nearly nonexistent intersection.

A photo-op holding a bible infront of an abandoned boarded up Church.

That's so Trump lol.

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@zaryia said:

Do you think this might hurt his vote with real Christians?

Depends. Are we talking about your average, church twice a year Christians that otherwise don't practice besides that? Or are we talking about pro-life Christians that, in the process of voting for Biden, would be choosing a pro-choice candidate over a pro-life one? Or something in the middle?

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@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

Do you think this might hurt his vote with real Christians?

Depends. Are we talking about your average, church twice a year Christians that otherwise don't practice besides that? Or are we talking about pro-life Christians that, in the process of voting for Biden, would be choosing a pro-choice candidate over a pro-life one? Or something in the middle?

This is what sucks for me. I'm 100% pro life. Biden is a fake Catholic (Pelosi too). If Trump would just STFU and behave presidential, I wouldn't have that much problem voting for him. But...well, he doesn't.

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@Chutebox said:
@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

Do you think this might hurt his vote with real Christians?

Depends. Are we talking about your average, church twice a year Christians that otherwise don't practice besides that? Or are we talking about pro-life Christians that, in the process of voting for Biden, would be choosing a pro-choice candidate over a pro-life one? Or something in the middle?

This is what sucks for me. I'm 100% pro life. Biden is a fake Catholic (Pelosi too). If Trump would just STFU and behave presidential, I wouldn't have that much problem voting for him. But...well, he doesn't.

he's never had that ability. it simply isn't in his character.

he's been tested dozens of times and failed every time

"is that your bible?"
"it's a bible"

lol, no shit.

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President Trump could rescue a baby from a burning building and the wacky left would still find a spin that what he did is bad.

That said...

Trump 2020!

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@comp_atkins said:
@Chutebox said:
@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

Do you think this might hurt his vote with real Christians?

Depends. Are we talking about your average, church twice a year Christians that otherwise don't practice besides that? Or are we talking about pro-life Christians that, in the process of voting for Biden, would be choosing a pro-choice candidate over a pro-life one? Or something in the middle?

This is what sucks for me. I'm 100% pro life. Biden is a fake Catholic (Pelosi too). If Trump would just STFU and behave presidential, I wouldn't have that much problem voting for him. But...well, he doesn't.

he's never had that ability. it simply isn't in his character.

he's been tested dozens of times and failed every time

Yup, agreed.

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The country is burning and all he cares about is a photo-op.

Also, the fact that he's using the Bible as a prop further shows that he has no moral compass.

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Repeat after me:

The bible is not a tool. The bible is not a weapon. The Bible...

@Sevenizz said:

President Trump could rescue a baby from a burning building and the wacky left would still find a spin that what he did is bad.

That said...

Trump 2020!

Trump would only rescue the baby so he could sue it.

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@Chutebox said:
@ad1x2 said:
@zaryia said:

Do you think this might hurt his vote with real Christians?

Depends. Are we talking about your average, church twice a year Christians that otherwise don't practice besides that? Or are we talking about pro-life Christians that, in the process of voting for Biden, would be choosing a pro-choice candidate over a pro-life one? Or something in the middle?

This is what sucks for me. I'm 100% pro life. Biden is a fake Catholic (Pelosi too). If Trump would just STFU and behave presidential, I wouldn't have that much problem voting for him. But...well, he doesn't.

Why is Biden a fake catholic?

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Lol they literally gassed clergy so they could clear ground for the photo of Trump holding a Bible.

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@mrbojangles25: Thank you for proving my theory.

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Lol they literally gassed clergy so they could clear ground for the photo of Trump holding a Bible.

link for proof.

Can't wait for the typical band of trumpettes to join in on defending this one.

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@drunk_pi: Even Hitler had his followers.

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@phbz said:

Lol they literally gassed clergy so they could clear ground for the photo of Trump holding a Bible.

WTF!

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#21  Edited By Zaryia
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Holy crap,

Arlington County withdraws police from DC after being 'put in a compromising position'

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/500600-arlington-withdraws-police-from-dc-after-being-put-in-a

Arlington County Board Chairwoman Libby Garvey tweeted the officers were ordered “to immediately leave” the city.

“Appalled mutual aid agreement abused to endanger their and others safety for a photo op,” she posted

The county’s decision came after its officers were seen helping U.S. Park Police clear the area in front of the White House with tear gas shortly before President Trump traveled by foot to nearby St. John’s Church. At the church, the president posed for photos with a Bible along with other officials..

Orange Man.............bad?

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@Sevenizz said:

@mrbojangles25: Thank you for proving my theory.

That's why I'm here, broseph

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@zaryia said:

Holy crap,

Arlington County withdraws police from DC after being 'put in a compromising position'

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/500600-arlington-withdraws-police-from-dc-after-being-put-in-a

Arlington County Board Chairwoman Libby Garvey tweeted the officers were ordered “to immediately leave” the city.

“Appalled mutual aid agreement abused to endanger their and others safety for a photo op,” she posted

The county’s decision came after its officers were seen helping U.S. Park Police clear the area in front of the White House with tear gas shortly before President Trump traveled by foot to nearby St. John’s Church. At the church, the president posed for photos with a Bible along with other officials..

Orange Man.............bad?

Wow....if the police think so. Maybe he is bad?

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@dale_gunther: Kinda like Hitler. Some types of leaders tend to inspire unity for those once on opposite sides. It's wonderful.

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@dale_gunther said:

Two Trump miracles on one thread. First he got the progressive atheist internet gamers to care about Christians, and now he has them sympathizing with cops (in the middle of a national anti-cop riot). Amazing. I think we can call the 2020 election at this point.

You know there has always existed atheists that weren't bigots and allowed others to believe what they chose? And those who are defending the actions of these cops always did. If the population can vote trump is toast. Which is why cons try to suppress votes.

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@dale_gunther said:

Identifying voters as eligible to cast votes is never voter suppression ... unless you're trying to get a lot of non-citizens, dead people, and ex felons to vote. In that case, yeah, the fraudulent votes are suppressed. I wonder why that's such a big deal to a certain American political party. Curious indeed.

Who was talking about that? I'm talking about gerrymandering.

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@dale_gunther said:

Two Trump miracles on one thread. First he got the progressive atheist internet gamers to care about Christians, and now he has them sympathizing with cops (in the middle of a national anti-cop riot). Amazing. I think we can call the 2020 election at this point.

This is an example of a shit post. If anyone was wondering how one looks.

1. Why would I not care about Christians when I'm currently in a long relationship with one? When did I say this?

2. I always sympathize with cops, and have said multiple times here I support them and that it's only a few bad eggs. Why lie?

3. I'm not a progressive. I bashed Bernie, his supporters, and have been pro Biden. I'm center-left.

Where are you getting this shit from? Are you drunk or what the hell is going on?

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@dale_gunther said:

Identifying voters as eligible to cast votes is never voter suppression ... unless you're trying to get a lot of non-citizens, dead people, and ex felons to vote. In that case, yeah, the fraudulent votes are suppressed. I wonder why that's such a big deal to a certain American political party. Curious indeed.

But that's literally the reason they were doing it according to leaked studies of a dead GOP operative.....

They wanted to reduce Democrat turnout (in particular black/brown) to increase GOP chances. Same goes for gerrymandering....

DO you want links to these facts?

Voter Fraud is nearly non-existent. They do it in particular for this reason. Trump is factually incorrect about mail in voting, he just wants to increase the GOP's chances of winning in elections.

Are you lying or naive?

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So, are there actual videos of this? Because the park police is saying this didnt happen and they didnt clear it for Trump. Police were having things thrown at them again and rioters were climbing fences.

They also said tear gas not used.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/police-dc-use-tear-gas-clear-protesters-trump-photo-op-2020-6

@Chutebox said:

So, are there actual videos of this? Because the park police is saying this didnt happen and they didnt clear it for Trump. Police were having things thrown at them again and rioters were climbing fences.

They also said year gas not used.

Who is saying that?

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Sorry the off topic but ex felons can't vote in the USA? Wtf

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#35  Edited By Zaryia
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@dale_gunther said:

@zaryia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYI3UBjLvEM

Nice try buddy, but calling me names and pretending you were personally attacked (when I never named anyone) isn't a debate. It's a cry for attention, and an excuse for you to launch an attack on someone who voiced an opinion you don't like.

Lmao this blatantly lying cop out back tracking. You're so scared all of a sudden.

You were 100% talking about someone in this thread.

@dale_gunther said:

Two Trump miracles on one thread. First he got the progressive atheist internet gamers to care about Christians, and now he has them sympathizing with cops (in the middle of a national anti-cop riot). Amazing. I think we can call the 2020 election at this point.

"I'm going to pretend I wasn't talking about someone here even though I clearly am so I don't have to get roasted".

You got roasted anyway.

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Smoke cannisters are not tear gas. Failing to abide by a curfew and throwing objects at officers will warrant a response. Silly story.

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@phbz said:

Sorry the off topic but ex felons can't vote in the USA? Wtf

Yeah, it's up to a judge to decide. And political leaning matters a lot to some.

I don't think you can vote if you got an unpaid driving ticket of some kind too.

@dale_gunther said:

@zaryia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYI3UBjLvEM

Nice try buddy, but calling me names and pretending you were personally attacked (when I never named anyone) isn't a debate. It's a cry for attention, and an excuse for you to launch an attack on someone who voiced an opinion you don't like.

Advertising your own channel?

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@phbz said:

Sorry the off topic but ex felons can't vote in the USA? Wtf

Some states. Not all.

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#40  Edited By Zaryia
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@dale_gunther said:

@zaryia: Yes, I'm terrified by a guy who goes out of his way to play victim so he can launch feeble ad homs at me. The army never prepared me to take such virtual violence. Meanwhile you're at three posts of saying nothing and I've made my points.

You never had a point, you haven't discussed the topic at all....

You just randomly attacked posters ITT,

@dale_gunther said:

Two Trump miracles on one thread. First he got the progressive atheist internet gamers to care about Christians, and now he has them sympathizing with cops (in the middle of a national anti-cop riot). Amazing. I think we can call the 2020 election at this point.

And then pretended that you didn't, even though the above literally shows you did. Who was this deflection rant aimed at?

But I'll give you a life line. Do you want to talk about the Bishop's reaction to Trump's moronic photo-op? or the withdrawal of Police because of how moronically they were used? Do you think Trump's actions were wise?

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@LJS9502_basic said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/police-dc-use-tear-gas-clear-protesters-trump-photo-op-2020-6

@Chutebox said:

So, are there actual videos of this? Because the park police is saying this didnt happen and they didnt clear it for Trump. Police were having things thrown at them again and rioters were climbing fences.

They also said year gas not used.

Who is saying that?

Video not working for me.

https://twitter.com/AugensteinWTOP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fdc-protesters-trump-church-visit

Works for local news agency there I believe. He's still trying to get answers as to what they used, but SS said, "For operational security reasons, the U.S. Secret Service does not discuss our protectees or our protective means and methods."

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@dale_gunther said:

@zaryia: Reconsidering your whole performance in this thread, eh?

What does this mean. Your first post in this thread was trolling flame-bait. Almost a perfect text-book definition example.

@dale_gunther said:

stay in your weight class next time and things will go better.

Says the scared troll. Everyone knows you were talking about people ITT. Own up to it, because people can just scroll up and see.

@dale_gunther said:

1. Christians, largely ridiculed and lambasted by progressives, are suddenly revered as human beings as soon as they have an issue with Trump.

That's text-book deflection. This thread isn't about progressives opinions on Christians. This thread is about Trump's photo-op and the Bishop's reaction. You went off-topic to attack progressions because there was no way you could defend Trump's garbage actions.

Do you have an opinion on Trump's photo-op and the Bishops reaction?

@dale_gunther said:

2. Cops, largely ridiculed and lambasted by progressives, are suddenly revered as human beings as soon as they have an issue with Trump.

That's text-book deflection. This thread isn't about progressives opinions on Cops. This thread is about Trump's photo-op and the use of Police force being called needless pulled back by Arlington County. You went off-topic to attack progressions because there was no way you could defend Trump's garbage actions.

Do you have an opinion on Trump's use of force and Arlington's reaction?

@dale_gunther said:

3. Progressives think verifying people as legitimate voters is an act of suppression, so we can only assume the guys checking tickets at a concert are likewise engaging in "music suppression".

That argument is off-topic. That being said, you're objectively incorrect as leaked GOP studies directly state otherwise. Voter Suppression is real. This is a fact.

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Can't believe this new users are the best thing they could recruit on such short notice.

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#46  Edited By Zaryia
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@dale_gunther said:

Talking about progressives sudden embrace of Christians when they voice anti-Trump views in the "Episcopal bishop of DC 'outraged' after Trump hosted a photo-op outside of one of her churches holding a Bible, calling it an 'abuse of sacred symbols'" thread is off topic, eh?

Sounds legit. At the very least, it's an observation as informed as the rest of your assessments.

What do assumptions about progressives ITT have to do with any of this? That's 100% deflection from the topic because you couldn't defend Trump.

You attacked members in this thread with made up stereotypes instead of confronting the actual topic.

Do you have an opinion on Trump's photo-op and the Bishops reaction?

Do you have an opinion on Trump's use of force and Arlington's reaction?

This thread isn't a discussion about the opinions of progressives in this thread, and to make shit up about them. Talk about what happened, not spam ad-homs.

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@dale_gunther: By the way, we have a progressive pope. I bet that really blows your mind.

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@dale_gunther said:

I highlighted an interesting dynamic manifested as a direct result of this story. One you didn't like, still don't like, and are still complaining about.

And yet - the dynamic is still there. And it's still directly related to the story that this thread was specifically created for. So while you try to engage in opinion suppression, I'm just going to keep talking about this story and shooting down your feeble attempts to be opinion gatekeeper.

Making things up about progressive posters in this thread to completely avoid talking about Trump's photo-op, the Bishop, or Arlington County (AKA THE TOPIC) is deflection.

You're deflecting because you couldn't find any way to defend Trump. I have 0 doubt you are trying to get this thread locked, which is why you employed such flame-bait in your first post. It is your one goal right now.

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@dale_gunther said:

Identifying voters as eligible to cast votes is never voter suppression ... unless you're trying to get a lot of non-citizens, dead people, and ex felons to vote. In that case, yeah, the fraudulent votes are suppressed. I wonder why that's such a big deal to a certain American political party. Curious indeed.

Why should ex felons not be able to vote?